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Mean Ho
Posted - 2009.12.28 07:02:00 - [1]
 

Ive been studying these mods and trying to figure which is better for PVP purposes. The nuets seem to use alot of cap and Nos gives you cap if you are low on cap yourself.

My question, Is it better to use one or the other or some combination of both?

Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.12.28 07:18:00 - [2]
 

...For what?

That's a terrible question. One gives you cap, the other destroys someone else's cap. You might as well ask whether 220mm Vulcan Auto II or Heavy Capacitor Booster II is a better module.

Josephine Gauthier
Posted - 2009.12.28 08:21:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Kahega Amielden
...For what?

That's a terrible question. One gives you cap, the other destroys someone else's cap. You might as well ask whether 220mm Vulcan Auto II or Heavy Capacitor Booster II is a better module.

I like the 220mm Vulcan most.

Mean Ho
Posted - 2009.12.28 10:47:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Kahega Amielden
...For what?

That's a terrible question. One gives you cap, the other destroys someone else's cap. You might as well ask whether 220mm Vulcan Auto II or Heavy Capacitor Booster II is a better module.


Ok, maybe I should have asked in the new to eve section.

But, I think you must be on some kind of drugs if you are comparing my question of which is better for the win in PVP nuets or nos to some silly questions of cap boosters and guns.

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.12.28 11:32:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Othran on 28/12/2009 11:35:00
Originally by: Mean Ho
But, I think you must be on some kind of drugs if you are comparing my question of which is better for the win in PVP nuets or nos to some silly questions of cap boosters and guns.


No I think you just don't really understand what you're asking Smile

Neuts on what? Nos on what? Fitting a neut to a cap-hungry fit is fail, just as fitting a nos to a fit that doesn't use much cap is usually fail too.

Eg A Claw can fit a neut (or a nos), but a Taranis with a neut = deranged pilot and a Crusader with neut = dead pilot.

There are no "I win" fits in solo PvP - there's simply too many options. There are some fleet fits that are very close to being "the only game in town" but one v one they are usually awful.

One thing to remember is that you can only nos if the target has >30% cap AND has more cap than you. There are plenty of scenarios where deliberately running your own cap down to prevent nos'ing works very well - and if you can neut the target to achieve that then its doubly good. You're generally going to be flying Minmatar or be using drones as a primary weapon when you do this though.

See its not a simple question Wink

Don Pellegrino
Pod Liberation Authority
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.12.29 03:29:00 - [6]
 

Exactly what others said, you need to tell us for what ship, in what situation, etc..

We need to know more than "Nos or Neut?" because there's no answer to that question, it's always relative to the situation.

V0latar
Posted - 2009.12.29 03:41:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Mean Ho
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
...For what?

I think you must be on some kind of drugs if you are comparing my question of which is better for the win in PVP nuets or nos to some silly questions of cap boosters and guns.


Actually no he isnt on drugs. Your question is the same as asking "What is better for pvp? a shield booster or a shield transporter?" There is no answer to such a question without context (fitting posted + situation mentioned).

A neut can be used for all sort of fittings and situations, but same goes for a nos. They can both be great for your fit going after a certain target, in a certain situation.

Why dont you post a few fits you are working on, and where you are considering the use of a neut or nos? Then the posters can contribute to that by telling you how bad your fits are, and how you shouldnt fit a neut or nos at all in such a fit, etc etc. and you will learn something. Laughing

Terazuk
Amarr
Servants of Drawnon
Posted - 2009.12.29 07:20:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Terazuk on 29/12/2009 07:21:37

You will want to use a Neut over a Nos in most situations as the Neutraliser will continue to drain the targets cap while it is activated. Conversely the Nos will only draw cap from your target whilst you have less cap than your target.

This generally makes using Nos near to useless as you will want to fill your slots with mods that have clear and consistent value across the range of encounters you may run across.

Mixing them is sometimes done, as Neuts do consume rather a lot of energy and as your cap is pretty much guaranteed to be low at least some of the time, putting a Nos with a pair of Neuts may buy you some extra time/cycles/etc. That said, a Neut is almost always the better choice because the results will never be ambiguous and you will be using a cap boosters 99% of the time anyway.


Will Strafe
Caldari
The Praxis Initiative
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2009.12.29 09:20:00 - [9]
 

People put Neutralizers on almost anything these days...

The thing is if you want a rule of thumb, that Neuts aren't any good if you are fighting a bigger ship than your own. A medium Neut on a Battlecruiser for instance, wont do anything except deplete your own capacitor, if you are going toe to toe with a battleship.

So Neuts on ships that are fighting it's own size or smaller, with a leverage if the cap regen on your ship is very good, or you got cap booster or such.

Nos on the other hand is the defence against ships that will Neut you. So by same rule they will work best when you are fighting bigger ships than you are flying yourself.

Neuts are an agressive weapon, whereas NOS is a defensive weapon and a Neut protection module.

Generally speaking as I'm sure some will point out.


 

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