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V0latar
Posted - 2009.12.24 05:43:00 - [1]
 

My caldari Alt has been training his cruise missile specialization skill to level 4, is fairly advanced in medium drone use, and has the elite capacitor contol certificate and advanced active tanking abilities. Pretty much everything to Solo l4's in a CNR with the most demanding fittings. I think it provides a stable income but thats all it is supposed to use PVE for. I am now 1month away from flying a blaster thorax t2 solo pvp fit, 2 weeks away from same style vexor fit with some tweaks. And already able for a solo MOA t2 light blaster fit.

Now with about 300m cash put aside for financing my first pvp endeavours there are several questions that come to mind. First of all, do i switch from my safe high sec industry corp to something more appropriate? Is it even possible to actively train pvp in high sec without giant standing drops? If so, what europe based corps would be interesting for that? Or should i be able to do it solo? What would be the techniques used to get solo pvp action in high sec? If there are any to start with. If not, do i need to move to low sec or 0.0 and become a pirate? Would you learn more from pvp in gangs? Again, how do i find myself a good europe based gang (or with at least enough europeans in it to fly ops with) suitable for this?

Since i carry +5 implants i am sure i should get a clone? How do you guys do that? Clone use is totally mystical to me. Do you have a PVP clone you use in war time or for pvping? How does one arrange that?

I know these are a lot of questions but i would like the opinion of the more experienced players before i make my decisions. Please keep in mind that I believe PVP is the most interesting adpect of the game. So my goal is to get as much of it with the least effort. However it must be managable in terms of funding.

Skittnator
Caldari
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2009.12.24 07:19:00 - [2]
 

First off, if you truly seek the whole PVP experience fast, I suggest that you continue missioning until you acquire a very sizable amount of cash. Being that you mentioned you only had a thorax pvp fit, you obviously are not thinking of low sec due to you being insta-poped by the gate guns whenever you aggress unless you only hunt reds, and come on, who is really going to only hunt red blinkies? You may then join one of the bigger 0.0 alliances that basically does blob warfare which will allow you to use your thorax in a big fleet to go shoot whatever. However being in a big alliance isnt for everyone so I would suggest a smaller alliance that resides in low security space or NPC 0.0 space. As for your CNR, keep it in high sec with you +5 clone for missioning when you need more money and for a fallback plan. I suggest that you join the corp that gives you free jump clones before joining your pvp corp and get 4 JC's, you should keep one or two empty or with cheap implants for suicide missions/scouting/0.0 endless roams. As for your main, I keep +4's and standard combat hardwiring in my head, but that is because it is cheap yet effective and also I am very careful with my pod.
In conclusion, I suggest that you test the waters of low sec and 0.0 pvp as they are very different and have very different strategies and gameplay. As for a good European corp that does pvp. Rooks and Kings Alliance maybe? I would invite you to FWA however we are mostly U.S. players.
I hoped this helped and good luck with your endeavors, hope to see you on the battlefield soon! o/

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.12.24 07:27:00 - [3]
 

You can PvP in highsec without security drops if you join a wardec corp, or create one yourself, it only costs 2 million to start a corp, 2 million to declare war on another corporation. Of course, that has the drawback of you not being safe in high sec should you want to bust out the CNR and run some more missions. Alternatively, you can go about can flipping in high sec, this is a good method to get your first taste of PvP without really committing to anything you might regret (loss of standings, being at war etc), no need to join a corp as you can just make your own and solo it fairly easily, and you don't need to move anywhere.

Lowsec Solo PvP is fairly limited in my experience, you'll either be busting a small pirate gatecamp, or belt pirating if you are going solo. You can camp gates solo of course, but it's alot more risky and your unlikely to find a good fight that way. Not sure if you have any alts or not, but losing your security status bars you from highsec, so if mission running is your only income, and you don't have an alt to transport ships for you it can be very difficult logistically. If you go for the lowsec option your best bet would be to join an established corp.

0.0 is really fun for solo PvPing, most fun in the game in my opinion. Your targets and ship choice are often limited if your going out solo, might be difficult for a newcomer as alot of the skill involved is splitting up blobs and getting people to engage you. Also helps if you have experience in running camps, ship types, typical ship fits and knowledge of directional scanner etc. If you can find a good corp that'll teach you the ropes this can be a very great option. If you PvP in 0.0 you don't have to worry about being at war or losing standings so you can always go back to mission running and your old highsec habits when it suits you.

Jump Clones are obtainable if you have 8.00+ standings with a corp and have the informorph psychology skill trained. This guide here should have all the details for you. If you have expensive implants they're well worth getting.

Hope this helps.

Thodnee
Gallente
Goram Innovations
Posted - 2009.12.24 10:09:00 - [4]
 

Holy wall text Batman !

LP McDuffs
Caldari
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2009.12.24 10:15:00 - [5]
 

Couple opinions:

1) get a jump clone. You need 8.0 standings (true standings, not effective) with a corp that has med bay in it's stations. Use an empty clone or one with +3 or lower for your pvp clone. Keep the +5s in highsec with your CNR.

2) 0.0 sucks for pvp, becasue it gets really quiet sometimes and when you do run up on someone to shoot at, a cruiser usually won't take it down. Plus you get bubble camps, so expect to get podded.

3) I would recommend to anyone not comfortable with PVP to join faction warfare. You can join the NPC corp and then you are at war with about 150 people online at any one time. This will get you accustomed to getting blown up and blowing people up. Learning the pvp mechanics of eve. It's not all about having t2 fits. It's about how you fly the ship. Factional warfare is a good place to learn. However, realize that once you are in militia, you are constantly at war with two other militias, which means you have to always be careful when you get in your +5 with the CNR to mission. High sec ganking does happen.

4) If I were you, I would keep my main toon (+5 CNR) as the moneymaker and put your caldari alt into one of the militias and try it out for a couple weeks. All you need is a t1 frig and the ability to hit "x" in militia channel and you will most likely get in a fleet and begin learning.

Good Luck!

ps - if you join the Amarr or Caldari militia, I will shoot you. :)

V0latar
Posted - 2009.12.24 10:36:00 - [6]
 

First of all, thanks for the great reply and invitation. If you dont mind i would just like to break some things down a little further:

if you truly seek the whole PVP experience fast, I suggest that you continue missioning until you acquire a very sizable amount of cash.

What do you think is a fair ammount? I got 300m isk cash to burn for starters and another 1.2 billion in the market/assets/investments intended for future profit making.

Being that you mentioned you only had a thorax pvp fit.null

Also have a vexor, moa, drake, and raven, but the last 2 are gang set ups and not all at tech 2 level yet. So i need some more time for those.

being in a big alliance isnt for everyone so I would suggest a smaller alliance that resides in low security space or NPC 0.0 space.

Im not looking for chaotic 300+ sized fleet engagements (yet). So smaller 0.0 sec alliance sounds like a good fit for me.

I suggest that you join the corp that gives you free jump clones before joining your pvp corp and get 4 JC's.

Are there corps that do that? Is it a reasonable request when applying?

As for a good European corp that does pvp. Rooks and Kings Alliance maybe? I would invite you to FWA however we are mostly U.S. players. I hoped this helped and good luck with your endeavors, hope to see you on the battlefield soon!

Thanks a lot for your insight. When joining a corp it is very important for me that there are corpmate's online and active when i log on (hence my focus on european). However thanks for the invite, It is very generous of you, please give me some time to consider it seriously.

Given your tips i take it solo 0.0 roaming is difficult to accomplish without corp back up cause of the JC's? How would i manage to get my ships out there in the first place? Especially that slow @$$ drake! Or do i just buy new ones in 0.0? Also, i got no industry or mining skill so i would be reliant on other players in 0.0 to sell me ships/etc. I have no clue how it is with module/ship availability and price levels out there.

V0latar
Posted - 2009.12.24 10:57:00 - [7]
 

Thanks all of you for your thoughts and opinions. It is very educational and has given me a lot more food for thought. As i am currently traveling for work and typing on an iphone i will not go into the other questions that come to mind reading your replies. I will be back in a few days to disect this further.

Btw, some assumed my CNR PVE toon is different from the PVP toon, however they are in fact 1 character. Making having standings for High sec CNR missioning a requirment for this to work i recon?

Also i need to check my high sec trade orders at least once every 2 days, can you jump back and forth to high sec like that?

Nursultan
Pyrotechnics Inc.
Posted - 2009.12.24 10:59:00 - [8]
 

What do you think is a fair ammount? I got 300m isk cash to burn for starters and another 1.2 billion in the market/assets/investments intended for future profit making.

seems enough to my taste

Are there corps that do that? Is it a reasonable request when applying?

you can get free clones at Estel Arador Corp Services - just learn the skill, join the corp, set up clones and leave.

Given your tips i take it solo 0.0 roaming is difficult to accomplish without corp back up cause of the JC's? How would i manage to get my ships out there in the first place?

you'll need a scout alt in a covert ops ship preferably. you can also use it to probe out mission runners and haul stuff. this could actually be your main character in a jumpclone with no implants.

Wacktopia
Sicarius.
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2009.12.24 11:16:00 - [9]
 

You should perhaps take a look at Red vs Blue to train yourself up. Having a bag of ISK + no experience = an empty bag of ISK + emoragequit.

Ka Jolo
The Tuskers
Posted - 2009.12.24 12:18:00 - [10]
 

Pfft. You're getting a lot of bum advice here, my friend.

If you can already fly Thoraxes and are about ready for Vexors, here's what you do:

First, purchase 10-15 Incursuses, plus fittings. Haul it all down to your new lowsec base. (And yes, you can PVP in lowsec just fine; there are no sentry guns at asteroid belts, faction warfare beacons, planets, etc.) Here's a nifty Incursus PVP guide.

Second, go out and start hunting people at lowsec belts, faction warfare beacons, planets, etc. Alternately, go to an asteroid belt all by yourself and let someone else who's hunting find you.

Engage any T1 frigate or destroyer with confidence, and even most T1 cruisers and some battlecruisers. In fact, you may be able to take on certain T2 frigates. I'm not saying you'll win all these fights--that's why I had you buy 10-15 Incursuses to start with. (Watch out especially for drone boats.) Your basic strategy in a Gallente blaster boat is get as close as possible as fast as possible and hope your DPS overwhelms them before they kill you. Set your default orbit for 500m and orbit your targets.

By the time you lose your 10-15 T1 frigates, you'll have a fair idea of how to use your directional scanner, the habits of sentry guns, and what ships are prey and what ships are predators. Chances are, you'll have well over five solo kills by this time, including at least 2-3 destroyers and cruisers; apply to join the Tuskers. You'll still have most of your 300M ISK, and probably more.

Yes, you could go the FW or Red-v-Blue routes as well, and they could even be lots of fun--but you'll learn more about PVP losing a bunch of T1 frigs solo, trust me.


Nursultan
Pyrotechnics Inc.
Posted - 2009.12.24 12:51:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Ka Jolo
you'll learn more about PVP losing a bunch of T1 frigs solo, trust me.


This

Xander Nilunar
Posted - 2009.12.24 13:04:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Wacktopia
You should perhaps take a look at Red vs Blue to train yourself up. Having a bag of ISK + no experience = an empty bag of ISK + emoragequit.


This. RvB are very good for training players up for PvP all over the place. You can roam solo for easy kills, or join in with their small gang roams. Smile

Zzander Solus
Caldari
Posted - 2009.12.24 15:09:00 - [13]
 

I also recommend getting jump clones before jumping into pvp in order to protect your +5 implants. Contact Estel Arador ingame for jump clones. He has a free service (though I recommend giving him a donation). Here is a thread that explains his service:

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=939710

Abram Thrust
Dark-Force
Posted - 2009.12.24 15:38:00 - [14]
 

what these people are sayinmg about loosing frigs - 100% true.

yo ucan likely buy yourself a stack of 20 frigs + fitting + Rigs (if you wana go crazy) for a hell of a lot less than the 300M you have earmarked.

for that ammount of cash, yo ucould buy a stack of cruisers and kit them out, so long as you didn't go crazy on the fittings (use meta 3 vs meta 4, ect)

but seriously, get lots of frigs, and go to lowsec. pew-pew till you're out, and just make sure you learn what you did wrong every time you ass-plode

EMORAGEQUIT
Posted - 2009.12.24 15:46:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Wacktopia
You should perhaps take a look at Red vs Blue to train yourself up. Having a bag of ISK + no experience = an empty bag of ISK + emoragequit.


I approve of this post.

Onimar Synn
Red Federation
Posted - 2009.12.24 16:11:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Xander Nilunar
Originally by: Wacktopia
You should perhaps take a look at Red vs Blue to train yourself up. Having a bag of ISK + no experience = an empty bag of ISK + emoragequit.


This. RvB are very good for training players up for PvP all over the place. You can roam solo for easy kills, or join in with their small gang roams. Smile




*Confirming awesomeness of these ideas!

V0latar
Posted - 2009.12.24 16:50:00 - [17]
 

Wow, so much great advice from all different angles. I like it a lot.

So to sum some things up:

1.Most importantly i need to get a jump clone. Which i now know how to get.
2.I only need a dozen or so frigs to attempt my first pvp, either in low sec, nul sec, or in red vs blue. And take it from there learning as i go, switching to cruisers as i learn.
3.Suitable corps: pirate corps or pvp corps in 0 sec.
Btw do the tuskers have many european members?

I think i got a pretty clear picture of some of the possibilities. other questions that occured to me:

-how can you avoid standing loss killing stuff in low sec belts? (i need my cnr access in high sec)
-does null sec killing effect standing?
-for solo frig pvp is it worth crosstraining other races than my current gallente and caldari frig skills? Any solo fit suggestions? Ive only been looking into cruisers and BC's.

To everyone who contributed so far: Thanks for all the great ideas and suggestions. I should have posted a thread like this 4 months ago!

Dyphorus
Posted - 2009.12.24 19:21:00 - [18]
 

Yes get a jump clone, don't PvP in +5s.

Forget the cruiser, start in a frig until you're at least comfortable in an PvP situation.

I would suggest either FW or Red Vs. Blue to get into PvP. RvB being the more forgiving/lighter style of play. FW being a bit more serious minded/dangerous.

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.12.24 19:43:00 - [19]
 

You don't take any standings hits at all for PvPing in 0.0. (Other than other players setting you red etc. of course.)

I've had a lot of fun with Incursus in 0.0 . I prefer 0.0 to lowsec because it seems to be more fast paced to me, I like to play a really aggressive play-style.

Sorry about the griefwatch kill links but can't seem to search for kills by ship types on our eve service corp killboard.

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.12.24 19:53:00 - [20]
 

I use the following two fits for my Incursus

[Incursus, IONs]
Damage Control II
Overdrive Injector System II

Phased Monopropellant I Hydrazine Boosters
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator

Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

Small Hybrid Ambit Extension I
Small Hybrid Ambit Extension I
Small Hybrid Ambit Extension I


Hobgoblin II x1


[Incursus, Neutrons]
Damage Control II
Overdrive Injector System II

1MN Afterburner II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator

Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Hybrid Ambit Extension I
Small Hybrid Ambit Extension I


The idea of the rigs is to capitalise on the ships falloff bonus, you have about the same falloff as autocannons with the extra damage of blasters. The Afterburner setup only really works in lowsec or 0.0 entry systems, but has alot better range dictation in scram range, more dps, more range. You can kill most interceptors in this fit, Claw/Crusader being the most dangerous to you. Taranis can be killed if you load null and kite him in the 6km range where he won't even be scratching you, alot easier in the neutron fit, although its possible in the ion fit if you get him to overshoot you by a great distance.

Raimo
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.12.24 20:09:00 - [21]
 

<3 the Faffywaffy kill Suitonia. Btw, Suit really knows what he's talking about tbh, solo 0.0 can be some of the best fun in this game - that being said Ka Jolo's advice is not bad and RvB of course is/was awesome...


Proxyyyy
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.12.24 21:36:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Proxyyyy on 24/12/2009 21:44:50
Solo pvp in low sec is more difficult than null or high sec! Sometimes i find my self going to null sec for the easy ganks! Not mention the gangs there are lacking for the most part. Most pilots feel safe with numbers and will make alot of mistakes. They will chase you thinking theyre gang can run 70k to back them up or transport themselves 3 jumps ahead to save you. In highsec it can get pretty lame quick with the whole war dec thing! Generaly your the pilots there are lacking to begin with and camping dudes can get hella boring quickly.

Low sec on the other hand has pirates! Nowadays piracy involves fighting other pirates or anti-pies more than ganking freshmen in a belt. Pirates merc and anti-pie corps tend to produce the most competent pvp pilots in eve imo.

Low and Null sec are the most challenging! i would also add faction warfare to a lesser extent.

Where to learn how to pvp is realy up to you. I personally have done most forms of pvp in eve and have choosen a life of (piracy), because i find it the most challenging! So my advice is to try everything and figure it out for your self...

Pretty much what Suitonia and jolo said...

Vrabac
Zawa's Fan Club
Posted - 2009.12.24 21:51:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Vrabac on 24/12/2009 23:12:28
Edited by: Vrabac on 24/12/2009 21:55:50
I'd advise against joining corps from the beginning in order to "learn". Reason is that you're likely to actually learn very little or learn wrong lessons. I saw quite a lot of people who started their pvping in eve by joining a larger group, alarmingly overwhelming percentage of them end up being primary monkeys, unable to do much without a sizable gang and depending on several people who can FC to be able to do any pvp related activity whatsoever. While this is care free and easy way of doing things, it's also not nearly as enjoyable or attractive as being able to do stuff on your own or in very small groups.

My tip would be to grab something cheap, probably a frig but a cruiser or even destroyer will do, and just head out and try to smash someone's skull. Low sec isn't really bad, and as long as you know how to warp your pod out you can keep sitting in your +5 clone with basically no chance of losing it. Sec status hit is a pain, but as you said you got a mission running alt, plus you can simply refrain from podding people. Also as long as you're alone or in a small group you'll likely be shot back at meaning less sec status hit even if you're the one initiating aggression.

If I got it correctly, your caldari char is on another account? In this case train it for covert ops and probing, dual boxing isn't hard when you can just cloak and forget about one ship once actions starts and having your own scout and prober is priceless since it greatly expands your options. Also once you get more at home with such style of play, covops can be used as basic if crappy interceptor and a TD platform in a pinch which can come in very handy.

To sum it up, IMHO avoid joining large groups early on, try to make first steps alone or with a friend or 2, preferably of the same level of experience as you are to avoid creating a habit of switching your brain off and just following other people's lead. Once you're comfortable with your general knowledge of pvp mechanics, fits, your favourite ships and potential targets, proceed whatever way you feel is most appropriate for you, knowing everything you learned up to that point.

EDIT

Forgot to add, not joining a specific pvp corp and staying in industrial corp or even npc corp can make you look much less dangerous and might attract people into carelessly attacking you when they don't have the numerical or ship-class advantage, which is normally very hard to achieve. In other words, it might get you more fights, might mean you'll initiate aggression less often and might provide you with some coreli c-type stuff from all those lame AFs running around looking for noobs in cruisers or destroyers. Very Happy

EDIT 2

Just read the your CNR char is your pvp char part which rules out the covops part, but most still applies. Smile

Skittnator
Caldari
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2009.12.24 23:18:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Ka Jolo
Pfft. You're getting a lot of bum advice here, my friend.

If you can already fly Thoraxes and are about ready for Vexors, here's what you do:

First, purchase 10-15 Incursuses, plus fittings. Haul it all down to your new lowsec base. (And yes, you can PVP in lowsec just fine; there are no sentry guns at asteroid belts, faction warfare beacons, planets, etc.) Here's a nifty Incursus PVP guide.

Second, go out and start hunting people at lowsec belts, faction warfare beacons, planets, etc. Alternately, go to an asteroid belt all by yourself and let someone else who's hunting find you.

Engage any T1 frigate or destroyer with confidence, and even most T1 cruisers and some battlecruisers. In fact, you may be able to take on certain T2 frigates. I'm not saying you'll win all these fights--that's why I had you buy 10-15 Incursuses to start with. (Watch out especially for drone boats.) Your basic strategy in a Gallente blaster boat is get as close as possible as fast as possible and hope your DPS overwhelms them before they kill you. Set your default orbit for 500m and orbit your targets.

By the time you lose your 10-15 T1 frigates, you'll have a fair idea of how to use your directional scanner, the habits of sentry guns, and what ships are prey and what ships are predators. Chances are, you'll have well over five solo kills by this time, including at least 2-3 destroyers and cruisers; apply to join the Tuskers. You'll still have most of your 300M ISK, and probably more.

Yes, you could go the FW or Red-v-Blue routes as well, and they could even be lots of fun--but you'll learn more about PVP losing a bunch of T1 frigs solo, trust me.




you don't pvp in low sec, do you? obviously not if you think you can go around solo killing things in a t1 frig without awesome frig skills and tech II small guns.

the RvB thing is very interesting and I recommend it, it will allow for pvp experience and no standing loss or sec stat loss so you can keep missioning with that CNR of yours :-)

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.12.24 23:36:00 - [25]
 

Well, I'm not sure about any in-house rules or truces in RvB, but you could get your CNR killed while missioning by the opposing faction.

Visir
Caldari
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2009.12.25 00:44:00 - [26]
 

Convo either Visir or Tordin Varglund ingame when you have time, and i can help you get started.

Im not claiming to be the best PVPer out there, but i know a thing or two about it, highsec, lowsec and 0.0 solowork in most t1 hulls and ill happily help you get started. Its also a lot easier to absorbe stuff during a real-time convo than it is over the forums, and if you want to ill take you on a roam aswell if you feel like it.

As for the advice given here, id suck hard on suitonias advice. I honestly havent seen anyone better at solo/small frig sized 0.0 gangs than genos. ever. (not that ive been around for too long but they are veryveryvery good at it).

V0latar
Posted - 2009.12.25 04:46:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Suitonia
Well, I'm not sure about any in-house rules or truces in RvB, but you could get your CNR killed while missioning by the opposing faction.


yeah, i was thinking that. It would mean quiting r vs b each time i want to mission and having to wait 24 hours. Not ideal, but doable i guess.

Right now solo 0.0 flying might actually be the most suitable option, especially since i tend to agree with the thinking that figuring the basics out alone without buddies might actually be more educational. If i totally fail at it i can always still join a corp. Also that way i can stay in my industrial corp for now and they would probably fund part of my endeavors if i ask them, since they could use my PVP experience for training and protection, and if i still get tired from industrial corp, i still have all my options open right?

Then i was thinking i dont buy a Pithi A medium shield booster for my CNR and keep saving to around 3 bilion and buy myself a pvp toon. Maybe a 15sp one or something. That would give a lot of options.

I also intend to start a blog under this name to document my pvp learning experience as i embark at this new adventure, since a blog like that might actually inspire more young players to go into null sec and attempt pvp. I will keep u guys posted. Now i will get back to my christmas celebrations! Wont be playing till 1st of januari, then i will start to set this thing in motion!

Nursultan
Pyrotechnics Inc.
Posted - 2009.12.25 06:28:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Skittnator
you don't pvp in low sec, do you? obviously not if you think you can go around solo killing things in a t1 frig without awesome frig skills and tech II small guns.



you didn't check Ka Jolo's combat record or blog, did you?
there are tons of kills to be made in cheap frigs in lowsec and they don't require awesome skills.

Inertial
Did I just do that
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2009.12.25 09:43:00 - [29]
 

1. Ignore most of what Skittnator said, he is mostly wrong.

2. 300 million is more than enough for starting to PVP, and with a mission alt to supplement your income you should be fine. I started pirating with around 50 million isk and 800k SP on Inertial. Flew frigates mostly and never had a secondary income other than loot and ransoms for around 1 year.

3. You basically have 3 kinds of PVP careers.

A: Low-sec piracy, you become a outlaw, can't enter high-sec without getting shot if they catch you.
You can regain your security status, but its boring as hell (took me around 20 days, because I wasn't motivated).

B: High-sec "griefer", you can flip, war dec and other try to bait people into fighting you. In wardecs most of the fighting is at station, and you won't get as many kills as a pirate (since not everything in your system is a target), but you can still do decent.

C: 0.0 PVP, Fleet fights, roams, camps and also wormholes. I would actually recommend this, because this is how I learned to play. Its more dangerous than both of the above because of the chance to loose implants, but I liked 0.0. It can also be horrible if you are in the wrong alliance/corp.

4. You should get some jump clones, they are easy to get. first, you need infomorph psychology, this allows you to install jump clones, next you either need standings or a corp with assets that allow you to jump clone. I recomend Estel Aradors's Corp Services, its a corp that everyone can join to get free jumpclones.

5. If you want to become a pirate, be absolutly sure that its what you want to be. I had a great two years or so pirating, but it sucks royally to have to rat your sec status back up.

V0latar
Posted - 2009.12.25 09:45:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: V0latar on 25/12/2009 14:19:31
I think the only problem for me doing solo pvp in low sec is the standing drops it would give me. Otherwise it would be a solid idea. Maybe later.

Im gonna play around with those incursus fittings. Maybe also an imicus and merlin fit.


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