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Rev Fernie
Caldari
Beyond Divinity Inc
Posted - 2009.12.18 10:56:00 - [1]
 

This makes me sad as I like to hunt mission runners. Especially Faction fit CNR's
YARRRR!!

Anybody else noticed this?

Thanks in advance for any constructive responses Surprised

Apologies if this has been discussed already or mentioned in patch notes and I have missed it.

AterraX
Caldari
Posted - 2009.12.18 11:07:00 - [2]
 

*posting in griefer whine thread*


Amy Platt
Posted - 2009.12.18 11:30:00 - [3]
 

more pirate tears....

to many carebears are getting in on the pirate act, that's why there's no mission runners.

Rev Fernie
Caldari
Beyond Divinity Inc
Posted - 2009.12.18 11:35:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: AterraX
*posting in griefer whine thread*




"A griefer is a player who plays a multiplayer video game to irritate and harass other players, rather than in pursuit of game objectives."

Not really.

Originally by: Amy Platt
more pirate tears....

to many carebears are getting in on the pirate act, that's why there's no mission runners.


So they had a eureka moment straight after the patch. K Thanks. ugh

Amy Platt
Posted - 2009.12.18 11:40:00 - [5]
 

real answer? probably in 0.0 doing sovereignty wars.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.12.18 14:28:00 - [6]
 

Maybe they've all been finally killed?

Have they finally learned their lesson not to take pimped ships to lo sec? Have they finally gotten the point that lo sec isn't to PVE?

One can only hope Confused


Kessiaan
Minmatar
Vagrants Inc
Posted - 2009.12.18 15:10:00 - [7]
 

I got one yesterday.

Seems about the same to me.

Dr Cron
Northern Lights Number 5
Hydroponic Zone
Posted - 2009.12.18 19:01:00 - [8]
 

without a doubt the gate traffic has dried up to practically nothing.

why exactly I do not know.

Shawshanke
Posted - 2009.12.18 20:35:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Rev Fernie
This makes me sad as I like to hunt mission runners. Especially Faction fit CNR's
YARRRR!!

Anybody else noticed this?

Thanks in advance for any constructive responses Surprised

Apologies if this has been discussed already or mentioned in patch notes and I have missed it.



Well get on your main and go to low sec.Rolling Eyes

William Caldon
Caldari
Golden Cross Enterprises
Posted - 2009.12.18 21:38:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Dr Cron
without a doubt the gate traffic has dried up to practically nothing.

why exactly I do not know.


Its one of the following:

0.0 wars
People are getting smarter
People are tired of getting ganked.


Compleat Bacon
Posted - 2009.12.18 21:41:00 - [11]
 

They are all sitting in space, looking at the new planets, mesmerized....

Ghost Prophet
Mugen Industry International
Tricell Coalition
Posted - 2009.12.18 22:15:00 - [12]
 

I too suspect something regarding low sec missions has been changed w/ Dominion. A couple days into Dominion launch I started questioning my fellow pirates (red & blue alike) to see if they noticed any change in mission runners activity. Basically the only people being probed down in space in low sec now are either in a complex or a belt, no more mission runners, and no change was mentioned in the patch notes.

Probing mission runners was my purpose in life. What happened CCP?!

Varesk
Gallente
Maelstrom Crew
Posted - 2009.12.18 22:57:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Ghost Prophet
I too suspect something regarding low sec missions has been changed w/ Dominion. A couple days into Dominion launch I started questioning my fellow pirates (red & blue alike) to see if they noticed any change in mission runners activity. Basically the only people being probed down in space in low sec now are either in a complex or a belt, no more mission runners, and no change was mentioned in the patch notes.

Probing mission runners was my purpose in life. What happened CCP?!


you are totally doing it wrong.

Ghost Prophet
Mugen Industry International
Tricell Coalition
Posted - 2009.12.19 00:31:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Varesk

you are totally doing it wrong.


Kills last 7 days 68
Losses last 7 days 0

Totally.

Shiroi Okami
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.12.19 00:37:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: William Caldon
Originally by: Dr Cron
without a doubt the gate traffic has dried up to practically nothing.

why exactly I do not know.


Its one of the following:

0.0 wars - More like 0.0 carebearing with ccp's new keep-the-bears-safe anomaly spam
People are getting smarter - Er, no.
People are tired of getting ganked. - I think the WHY YOU VIOLENCE MY RATTING BOAT thing has always been around




Maybe all the mission runners have just decided that all in all its safer and more profitable for them to move to 0.0 and do anoms and plexes. Especially since ccp made anomalies 'the new belts'

zombiedeadhead
Minmatar
The Tuskers
Posted - 2009.12.19 00:38:00 - [16]
 

It has been noticed.

Ghost Prophet
Mugen Industry International
Tricell Coalition
Posted - 2009.12.19 01:47:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Shiroi Okami
Originally by: William Caldon
Originally by: Dr Cron
without a doubt the gate traffic has dried up to practically nothing.

why exactly I do not know.


Its one of the following:

0.0 wars - More like 0.0 carebearing with ccp's new keep-the-bears-safe anomaly spam
People are getting smarter - Er, no.
People are tired of getting ganked. - I think the WHY YOU VIOLENCE MY RATTING BOAT thing has always been around




Maybe all the mission runners have just decided that all in all its safer and more profitable for them to move to 0.0 and do anoms and plexes. Especially since ccp made anomalies 'the new belts'


Unlikely. Carebears hardly had the balls to step into low sec before, and now you expect me to believe they have all fleed their precious high sec for 0.0?? Lol...

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2009.12.19 04:39:00 - [18]
 

I have spent a lot of my in game time teaching carebears how to use Worm holes to cross on the average of 30 jumps from one part of empire space to the other. I can also prove that you can live in low and null sec without ever having to use a gate.


When I see people complain about a lack of targets, I am reminded of those certain American states that have too many taxes and crap laws. People pack up and leave, and the businesses also pack up operations and move to other states. Then the retart politicians act like they don't know why people are leaving.

You going to kill everything that moves, don't be surprised when people stop coming.

Now declare victory and find something else to do.

Johnny Trigger
Minmatar
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2009.12.19 06:23:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Rev Fernie
Anybody else noticed this?


I have noticed. perhaps agents that border lowsec are no longer giving out lowsec missions?

Jack Coutu
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
The Phoenix. Consortium
Posted - 2009.12.19 07:34:00 - [20]
 

OP, I'm guessing it makes you really sad when people shoot back at you as well? Go pirate somewhere else, or man up and stay on the gates, get smart, or shut up.

Rev Fernie
Caldari
Beyond Divinity Inc
Posted - 2009.12.19 08:13:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Shawshanke
Well get on your main and go to low sec.Rolling Eyes


Erm. This is and I am Rolling Eyes



Originally by: Jack Coutu
OP, I'm guessing it makes you really sad when people shoot back at you as well? Go pirate somewhere else, or man up and stay on the gates, get smart, or shut up.


Hmm you are right I only kill people that cannot fight back....Mostly Wink

http://pwnt.griefwatch.net/?p=kills&iname=Rev%20Fernie&page=1

Gate camps are boring. Telling people to shut up us just rude.

Thanks for responses.


Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2009.12.19 11:49:00 - [22]
 

Dr cron I like your evil scoop omen in pwnt save teh roids.

Kiri Serrensun
Posted - 2009.12.19 17:09:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Ghost Prophet
Probing mission runners was my purpose in life. What happened CCP?!


Your message got through.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.12.19 17:25:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Ghost Prophet
Probing mission runners was my purpose in life. What happened CCP?!
Congratulations. You won.

Yay!?


Dr Cron
Northern Lights Number 5
Hydroponic Zone
Posted - 2009.12.19 18:08:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
Dr cron I like your evil scoop omen in pwnt save teh roids.


haha awesome

Siddy
Minmatar
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.19 18:11:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Siddy on 19/12/2009 18:35:12
Edited by: Siddy on 19/12/2009 18:27:58
lies, i run missions in hedalolfarmer

/edit

ran, i got scannprobet and pawed Laughing

i used to scann people down for hours, i see the fact that you can scann them down now in 5 minutes form deadspace kinda makes everyone go to hig sec :|

/edit again.

Just learned that you can make unscannable ships :D
Yes, me being year in army kinda dropped me off from progress ugh

Dacryphile
Posted - 2009.12.19 18:49:00 - [27]
 

They are called unprobable tengus, and they are still running missions in low sec.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2009.12.19 18:51:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Siddy
Edited by: Siddy on 19/12/2009 18:35:12
Edited by: Siddy on 19/12/2009 18:27:58
lies, i run missions in hedalolfarmer

/edit

ran, i got scannprobet and pawed Laughing

i used to scann people down for hours, i see the fact that you can scann them down now in 5 minutes form deadspace kinda makes everyone go to hig sec :|

/edit again.

Just learned that you can make unscannable ships :D
Yes, me being year in army kinda dropped me off from progress ugh



The unscannable ship thing, short of cloaking that is, is widely debated and something that has the EFT crowd busy on the topic whenever it surfaces.
Basically it's the loading up of ECCM modules. Unfortunately the ability of the ship to do much else is limited.
Drones are still scannable but there would not be any of the "short on probes" trick using the D-scanner that give the MR a 4 second window to see the combat probes. Unless the scanner is maxed in scanning gear and implants but such a player is out looking for bigger fish most of the time.

What "broke", if that can be how it's described, is the mission structure. Any kill mission in high sec amounts to "fly around for a while shooting stuff". Those same missions in low sec require the same thing. That means all the time needed to scan out the MR and gank him. Even with all of the tricks such as staying aligned, keeping away from the warp in point, d-scanner, etc, it still becomes less profitable when survival is not an issue. Since most MRs are sold on this game as "he who earns the most ISK wins" or the MR is the bread winning alt of a pirate or null-sec dweller, market forces - profit to be specific - become the factor over the decision to run a typical mission in low sec.
To even this out, the kinds of missions given for low sec space need to change. Add more courier missions for example. Yes they are boring, but there are covops and blockade runner ships why not give mission runners a reason to have them? Kill missions that target a specific named NPC would also work. Tank the henchmen and kill the target and GTFO before Captain Gank and his crew show up.
The latter case could work but again, because most people can leisurely kill every NPC in the mission, and then leisurely salvage every wreck, and that is considered maximum profit in a game where maximum profit is considered how you win, people would choose to still run a high sec version of it.
Meanwhile, explorers ask for scanning, hacking or archeology missions that rely more on stealth and how fast you can work the tools of the trade. That would make possible a ship that can be loaded up on ECCM, not suffer greatly for a probe launcher and cloak, and not require hanging out in one place for 30 minutes. At that point it does not feel like a game mechanic where being probed out by gankers is part of the mission, but instead that skills and intel give a better chance. The term I hear from high sec MRs is "feeding my ship to the sharks" when they refer to running a low sec mission.

People can attach all kinds of terms to these factors and the end result but when all is said and done, it's market forces and profit motive that rule over the decisions. It's simply not profitable and people want the ISK.

Marko Riva
Posted - 2009.12.19 19:16:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Marko Riva on 19/12/2009 19:15:49
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Basically it's the loading up of ECCM modules. Unfortunately the ability of the ship to do much else is limited.


Tengu with the ECCM sub, 2 ECCM fitted and low grade talons is unprobable, it tanks lvl 4's easily and has an align time of 4.4 seconds. Still does 550+ dps.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2009.12.19 20:58:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Marko Riva
Edited by: Marko Riva on 19/12/2009 19:15:49
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Basically it's the loading up of ECCM modules. Unfortunately the ability of the ship to do much else is limited.


Tengu with the ECCM sub, 2 ECCM fitted and low grade talons is unprobable, it tanks lvl 4's easily and has an align time of 4.4 seconds. Still does 550+ dps.


That's nice. But not every ship is a Tengu Razz

For there to be a significant amount of mission runners for the OP to have more targets, the ability to run missions in low sec with a chance of being probed out small enough to boost the profit expectation, and therefore the worth of the risk, the ability to resist being probed has to cross a wider band across a greater spectrum of skill levels.

Therein lies another issue. If you train to go straight to flying a Tengu, there could be a lack of skills necessary to fly it properly. If the skill sets are patiently increased over a greater time spectrum, there is a chance the mission runner may already be onto other endeavors instead of mission running.





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