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 Savatar Mei |
Posted - 2009.12.14 16:35:00 - [ 1]
Edited by: Savatar Mei on 15/12/2009 10:11:12 im using my mac, or my pc, i'm floating about in space, i see a ship, i select its info, the harddrive spins like crazy for a few seconds, everything freezes around me, lag! (not to usefull when racing into battle)
i click on his pilot, same thing, hdd spins, lag.
i am at a gate, a blob jumps thro, hadd spins spins spins ad laggggg.
i mean, Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!
i mean, lag due to traffic is one thing, but lag to hard disk, now think about it, that does not make sense! if i get a solid state will that reduce it? it does not make sense!
But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this internet traffic? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with internet traffic! It does not make sense!
I'm a pod pilot, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're answering, does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of New Eden, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must find me right! I rest my case. |
 Grek Forto Crosshair Corp
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Posted - 2009.12.14 16:42:00 - [ 2]
Sense, you are making none. |
 ndal Caldari |
Posted - 2009.12.14 16:43:00 - [ 3]
It sounds like you are low an RAM and the computer is using a swap file on your HDD. So when you try to access and game info it needs to read it from the HDD instead of RAM which is much slower.
A Solid state would help in this case but more RAM would be a better option.
You could also try to reduce your settings, graphics, sound and any other setting which might reduce the RAM usage. Also try closing as many background programs as you can.
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 Barakkus |
Posted - 2009.12.14 16:44:00 - [ 4]
Hope you are defragmenting your drive every once in a while too :P |
 Washell Olivaw |
Posted - 2009.12.14 16:48:00 - [ 5]
Edited by: Washell Olivaw on 14/12/2009 16:48:49 Originally by: Savatar Mei i mean, lag due to traffic is one thing, but lag to hard disk, now think about it, that does not make sense!
You click, EVE checks cache on HDD, if info/picture is present, load from cache else load from server. Now, if your harddisk is severely fragmented or your cache has gotten extremely big, checking the cache will take a significant amount of time. This you will notice as lag. Making sense now? The solution is simple, clear the cache and defragment your harddrive. Buying an SSD to fix this is overkill, though it would be a permanent solution since fragmention on an SSD is irrelevant. Personally, I find leaving it on overnight to defragment all the drives cheaper. Note that the cache is stored in "\documents and settings" on XP and "\users" on Vista/Seven. Should you have EVE installed on a different drive or partition you will need to defragment the windows drive in order to fix this. Or just do both for good measure. |
 Savatar Mei |
Posted - 2009.12.14 16:50:00 - [ 6]
4 gigs memory fully defraged hdd
happening friend v noticably since dominion, check it out yourself, watch a blob jump thro gate
what ur HDD spin into life, watch huge frame lags
IT. DOESNT. MAKE. SENSE!
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 Valhallas Gallente The Executioners |
Posted - 2009.12.14 16:50:00 - [ 7]
Edited by: Valhallas on 14/12/2009 16:56:54 You really need 2GB minimum to avoid this constant swap file use in EVE in my experience.
Edit - Oh you already do, maybe you have a great amount of running programs clogging up your process list, using up all your physical memory.
Try Process Explorer from Sysinternals. It might give you a clue as to what the culprit(s) are. |
 Lance Fighter Amarr |
Posted - 2009.12.14 16:51:00 - [ 8]
Originally by: Savatar Mei 4 gigs memory fully defraged hdd
happening friend v noticably since dominion, check it out yourself, watch a blob jump thro gate
what ur HDD spin into life, watch huge frame lags
IT. DOESNT. MAKE. SENSE!
when was the last time you restarted your computer? |
 Neyro7830 Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.12.14 16:53:00 - [ 9]
Originally by: Savatar Mei 4 gigs memory fully defraged hdd
happening friend v noticably since dominion, check it out yourself, watch a blob jump thro gate
what ur HDD spin into life, watch huge frame lags
IT. DOESNT. MAKE. SENSE!
Bro. Everything you do in EVE uses the hard drive. Opening the info. Jumping through a gate. Spinning in station. You seem to be suffering from IDE Hard drive blues. If not, what HDD do you have? It makes perfect sense, HDD is the biggest bottleneck in most PCs. |
 Washell Olivaw |
Posted - 2009.12.14 16:54:00 - [ 10]
Originally by: Savatar Mei 4 gigs memory fully defraged hdd
Last time EVE's cache was cleared? |
 Kessiaan Minmatar Vagrants Inc
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Posted - 2009.12.14 16:56:00 - [ 11]
Have you tried increasing your cache size in EvE? |
 Roemy Schneider Vanishing Point. |
Posted - 2009.12.14 16:59:00 - [ 12]
- (small) SSD - windows&stuff on another drive - ??? - profit!
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 Savatar Mei |
Posted - 2009.12.14 17:01:00 - [ 13]
how do i clear eve cache and increase its size? |
 Zartanic |
Posted - 2009.12.14 17:58:00 - [ 14]
Edited by: Zartanic on 14/12/2009 17:59:07 As others do not seem to be complaining about this its likely to be your computer:
1. Bad memory or needs a reboot.
2. Cache size (best let windows manage it, there's a tick box)
3. HD or HD controller
4. HD needs de-fragmenting
5. Something else like two firewalls or crappy/bloated virus programme
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 Erin Xaelan Caldari Protagonists Of Doom
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Posted - 2009.12.14 18:06:00 - [ 15]
Quote: crappy/bloated virus programme
Is there another kind of virus software? |
 BowelMovement |
Posted - 2009.12.14 19:49:00 - [ 16]
Edited by: BowelMovement on 14/12/2009 19:50:23 That was happening to me. I noticed it most when using the market -- when I tried to buy stuff my hard drive would spin and everything would freeze for a bit; and when I looked a pilots' info. Seems to have stopped since Dominion, though. I figured they fixed something.
EDIT: Oh, I also tried disabling my anti-virus when I ran EVE, but I don't remember if that helped or not. |
 Zeredek Gallente The Scope |
Posted - 2009.12.14 20:00:00 - [ 17]
This is common It can usually be resolved by putting the computer is a fridge to cool it down, as it is too hot. Cold water also works, just be careful not to use hot water as it will just make it worse.
Glad to have helped |
 Korizan Hysterically Unforgiving |
Posted - 2009.12.14 20:05:00 - [ 18]
Windows Vista, not sure about Windows 7 provides a interesting tool.
Open up your windows properties and you will see a windows rating. If you click the windows experience Index it will break it down for you.
Processor Memory Graphics Gaming Graphics Primary Hard Disk
I simple tool to see any bottle-necks Granted not the best but still worht looking at.
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 Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2009.12.14 20:06:00 - [ 19]
Edited by: Tippia on 14/12/2009 20:07:26 Originally by: Savatar Mei 4 gigs memory
OS? Amount of video RAM? |
 Pnandor |
Posted - 2009.12.14 20:20:00 - [ 20]
One tip! C: only for OS D: virtual memory E: for games  |
 Emperor D'Hoffryn EXTERMINATUS. Nulli Secunda |
Posted - 2009.12.15 00:41:00 - [ 21]
protip: Your HD is always spinning, that sound you hear is the read/write head moving back and forth.
Sorry, just one of those things that irk me.
The game lags cause its waiting on data to be read from the HD, simple as that. Upgrading memory can help, but you will hit the disk eventually. Consider moving to an SSD, not only are they super faster, but no more "spinning" noises. |
 Mskpath3 |
Posted - 2009.12.15 01:09:00 - [ 22]
Technically speaking, it's doing this because CCP's streaming code is weak. There's no reason that background io should have any impact on framerate if it's properly threaded (with the possible exception of if said background streaming thread also has heavy processing to do once the data has arrived. But I'm guessing this isn't the case). The worst you -should- get is just waiting around ingame while assets are loaded.
That said, the client was probably written in this synchronous way ages and ages ago and they've probably deemed it too much of a pain/dangerous to change.
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 Ban Doga |
Posted - 2009.12.15 07:24:00 - [ 23]
Originally by: Mskpath3
Technically speaking, it's doing this because CCP's streaming code is weak. There's no reason that background io should have any impact on framerate if it's properly threaded (with the possible exception of if said background streaming thread also has heavy processing to do once the data has arrived. But I'm guessing this isn't the case). The worst you -should- get is just waiting around ingame while assets are loaded.
That said, the client was probably written in this synchronous way ages and ages ago and they've probably deemed it too much of a pain/dangerous to change.
This, TBH. Multithreading in the client is poor at best. Actually I'm guessing there is really none worth mentioning. Almost all operations that require reloading of data (either from the local client storage or the server) seem to be happening in the same thread as rendering and thus have a huge impact on the frame rate. If your frame rate is generally rather high you won't notice this as much (a drop from 100 to 40 for half a second is not that bad). But if the operation takes longer or your frame rate is generally low this will have a significant impact for you. |
 Othran Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2009.12.15 08:18:00 - [ 24]
It works like this - the Eve client will check its cache prior to querying the server database for things like pilot pictures etc.
Now initially the local cache will be faster than querying Tranquility but after a while (defrag or no defrag, "normal" hard disk or SSD) the local cache will reach a size that means querying Tranquility is faster than searching the local cache. At this point the ONLY way to resolve the performance issue is to clear (or reduce) your local cache.
Oh and yeah proper multithreading doesn't exist in Eve (doubt it ever will). Just start the frame counter and watch it when you land on a new grid if you doubt this ;) |
 RaTTuS BIG Gentlemen's Agreement |
Posted - 2009.12.15 09:41:00 - [ 25]
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 Burnharder |
Posted - 2009.12.15 09:47:00 - [ 26]
I have less HD swapping going on now I'm using readyboost (got 2gb memory key for that). I've also got 1Gb on my graphics card and 4gb main RAM. I can run 3 clients on max settings with no trouble at all.
When I read things like this the first thing I think is Virus Checker. I'm using Microsoft Security Essentials, ie. no Windows Defender, McCrapfee or Norton. You might also check the search indexing strategy, although by default that should only be working when your system is pretty much idle. |
 Savatar Mei |
Posted - 2009.12.15 09:54:00 - [ 27]
Edited by: Savatar Mei on 15/12/2009 10:00:33 Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn protip: Your HD is always spinning, that sound you hear is the read/write head moving back and forth.
Sorry, just one of those things that irk me.
The game lags cause its waiting on data to be read from the HD, simple as that.
yes i know, but when everyone understands what i mean, why split hairs. to be even more technical about it, the hard disk almost starts to trash. btw, a number of people referred to fixing the hardware, but my machine easily beats the recommended rig several times over. my issue is that the game shouldnt stop from processing while waiting for an update, the window that pops up should thread, or use a number of the x, y and z cheap tactics / hacks / whatever. it. just. doesnt. make. sense! think about it! |
 Naradius DEATHFUNK
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Posted - 2009.12.15 10:01:00 - [ 28]
Having an SSD is one option....personally, I have my Widnows running on a RAID 0 with a RAID 1 Volume for data. |
 Allen Ramses Caldari Zombicidal Mania
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Posted - 2009.12.15 10:05:00 - [ 29]
Originally by: Savatar Mei btw, a number of people referred to fixing the hardware, but my machine easily beats the recommended rig several times over.
Not while there's an apparent memory leak, it doesn't. |
 CCP StevieSG

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Posted - 2009.12.15 10:07:00 - [ 30]
Moved to Issues from EVE General. |