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Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2009.12.14 22:37:00 - [91]
 

Edited by: Revan Neferis on 14/12/2009 22:38:16
Originally by: Invelious

In this post Rodj clearly validates his stance and reasoning. Which exonerates him from your claims Revan


To you obviously. But you would take his words above everything else considering the kind of arguments you are used to display, your level of acceptance is to everything bellow " low". That's where you rejoice and dwell.

So I'm not surprised.
Gladly, this conference is not for the kinds of you.

Besides, you have no power to exonerate him of anything. You have no authority whatsoever to that.
I for one, as a citizen of Amarr in full rights can and will accuse anyone I see firt of charges of heresy to be judged.

And just to give you a bit of feedback in history, no, I was never excommunicated from Amarr by any Amarr institution or voice so I uphold every rights as a pure Amarr to lay such charges presented with the evidence.

They will be formally presented at the conference to the authorities who will know how to deal with his blatant heretical sayings.

You can rush now.



Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Invelious
Amarr
Adamant Edge
Posted - 2009.12.14 23:08:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Revan Neferis
Edited by: Revan Neferis on 14/12/2009 22:38:16
Originally by: Invelious

In this post Rodj clearly validates his stance and reasoning. Which exonerates him from your claims Revan


To you obviously. But you would take his words above everything else considering the kind of arguments you are used to display, your level of acceptance is to everything bellow " low". That's where you rejoice and dwell.

So I'm not surprised.
Gladly, this conference is not for the kinds of you.

Besides, you have no power to exonerate him of anything. You have no authority whatsoever to that.
I for one, as a citizen of Amarr in full rights can and will accuse anyone I see firt of charges of heresy to be judged.

And just to give you a bit of feedback in history, no, I was never excommunicated from Amarr by any Amarr institution or voice so I uphold every rights as a pure Amarr to lay such charges presented with the evidence.

They will be formally presented at the conference to the authorities who will know how to deal with his blatant heretical sayings.

You can rush now.



Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik



I did not exonerate him, he did that for himself. You have no power to charge him with anything, the Amarr you claim to be a citizen of would not allow a sani Sabik, a heretic, to voice false proclaimations against its most tenured and loyal citizens.

As it stands Revan you have failed to refute any of the allegations presented against you. It is clear as day, and anyone listening to this should begin to understand that your statements hold no ground. Being a heretic, hypocrate, and a disgrace to Amarr are the only things you can legitimetly lay claim to.

Halunoto Vankaalen
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2009.12.14 23:18:00 - [93]
 

Intriguing. Given the strong ties that currently exist between the Empire and the State, and since no other has volunteered, I will offer to represent the Caldari Providence Directorate at this conference.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2009.12.14 23:19:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Invelious


I did not exonerate him, he did that for himself.


He has no such authority


Rush now again...?

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik



Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2009.12.14 23:23:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen
Intriguing. Given the strong ties that currently exist between the Empire and the State, and since no other has volunteered, I will offer to represent the Caldari Providence Directorate at this conference.


Very well. A known voice for the State is very welcome. I myself will attend your conference to learn more about your ways.

Welcome Mr Vankaalen

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.12.15 00:16:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Archbishop

Your most notable trait always was your capacity for self-delusion and outrageous flights of fancy. I have no doubt you have convinced yourself in a drug-smoke stupor that the Speaker of Truth was escorted to his destination by splendid Amarrian choir-boys in gold-lamé thongs and glitter in their hair but the hard reality is it simply didn't happen.

Your fleet failed. The speaker of truth was trapped in a station and opted to use "damned" clone technology to ensure his corrupted successor would reach the destination to claim a victory for the Amarrian church.

Still, tell your lies. It is your one pleasure remaining.


As Admiral Blake stated what about the thousands of individuals who accompanied him? I suppose they all miraculously had jump clones on standby one system out that would allow them all the miraculously appear outside the Heirs home?

Archbishop

Invelious
Amarr
Adamant Edge
Posted - 2009.12.15 00:19:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Invelious
Edited by: Invelious on 14/12/2009 22:12:30
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Rodj Blake

I notice that your reaction before was to spit upon Aritcio Kor-Azor.



Quoting an earlier lie to support a current one doesn't work Blake. You elected yourself chief propagandist to cover up the SNeaker of Truths(sic) last time and convinced nobody. The man was dog born of the ravishment of jackels and you are flees upon the dog's behind. Nothing really changes.




Here we have Jade Constantine, who, is the very definition of hypocracy. A anarchist, fully bent on the end of Amarr. Has verbally spit in the face of our Empress, and is in league with a Revan whom is a Sarumite Amarr loyalist.

Then, we have the Sarumite Loyalist, Revan, also the definitive answer to hypocracy, who, tolerates the same hypocrate, Jade Constantine. Who despises her idol, who she vowed loyalty to, Jamyl Sarum. Jade wishes the end of the Empire revan is apparently on the side of with Jamyl at the helm. Amazing, isnt it people.


^^^True story. Revan you need to learn to maintain congruency with what you are saying about yourself, because this connection you have with Jade, is completely destroying it.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.12.15 00:44:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Archbishop

As Admiral Blake stated what about the thousands of individuals who accompanied him? I suppose they all miraculously had jump clones on standby one system out that would allow them all the miraculously appear outside the Heirs home?


Show me reliable independent witness testimony from any one of these "thousands". You can't, because like everything else to do with this fantasy of yours it didn't happen.


Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2009.12.15 01:18:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Invelious
this connection you have with Jade...


Turn on the camera, you may feel less frustrated.
It starts to show.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik.

Aranel Zirachii
Amarr
Burning Avarice
Posted - 2009.12.15 04:14:00 - [100]
 

Finally, something to enlighten the masses. I put forward my request to attend, and look very forward to the truth.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2009.12.15 05:25:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Aranel Zirachii
Finally, something to enlighten the masses. I put forward my request to attend, and look very forward to the truth.


Accepted

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik.

Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.12.15 17:30:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Archbishop

As Admiral Blake stated what about the thousands of individuals who accompanied him? I suppose they all miraculously had jump clones on standby one system out that would allow them all the miraculously appear outside the Heirs home?


Show me reliable independent witness testimony from any one of these "thousands". You can't, because like everything else to do with this fantasy of yours it didn't happen.


I trust you have read the chronicle "The Speaker of Truths" detailing the arrival of the Speaker? It clearly mentions the thousands of others who accompanied him on his freighter to the Heirs residence.

I understand the truth is hard to face given your legacy of repeated failures. The truth is clearly there though for all to see. While I am not able to link the chronicle in question at the moment as I am away from my base I will do so when I arrive home. In the meantime I encourage everyone to read the chronicle and see the facts spelled out in simple black and white.

Until then I expect you will continue to deny the facts and possibly even resort to name calling. That is your usual pattern when the blinding reality of another failure hits you in the face. Reality is a tough teacher after all.

Archbishop

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2009.12.15 17:44:00 - [103]
 

Perhaps the Lady Constantine would like to take a few minutes at my conference to speak the true facts behind the famous " Speaker of Truth" aforementioned event to all guests?
I ask evidence to be provided.

The invitation is tendered.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik.



Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.12.15 17:47:00 - [104]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 15/12/2009 17:47:51

Originally by: Revan Neferis
Perhaps the Lady Constantine would like to take a few minutes at my conference to speak the true facts behind the famous " Speaker of Truth" aforementioned event to all guests?
I ask evidence to be provided.

The invitation is tendered.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik.





I'd be pleased to do so. We actually do have independent witness testimony of many clone-vat technicans with very interesting things to say on these matters (many of whom we had to rescue from Amarrian space after orders were passed for their termination by authorities at that time).

But yes, I'll be happy to tell the truth I saw in space that night.

Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.12.15 18:27:00 - [105]
 

Edited by: Archbishop on 15/12/2009 18:29:51
Originally by: Jade Constantine

I'd be pleased to do so. We actually do have independent witness testimony of many clone-vat technicans with very interesting things to say on these matters (many of whom we had to rescue from Amarrian space after orders were passed for their termination by authorities at that time).

But yes, I'll be happy to tell the truth I saw in space that night.



I'm sure we all look forward to your fictional account of the evening. I understand it is easy for you to make things up as you go so these "eyewitness clone vat techs" should be very entertaining.

Of course you still haven't addressed the fact that several thousand common people joined the Speaker of Truth when he confronted the Heir?

Archbishop


Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.12.15 18:36:00 - [106]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 15/12/2009 18:36:47

Originally by: Archbishop
... your fictional account ...


Of course you still haven't addressed the fact that several thousand common people joined the Speaker of Truth when he confronted the Heir?

Originally by: Archbishop
... your fictional account ...


Good for the goose?

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2009.12.15 18:56:00 - [107]
 

Edited by: Revan Neferis on 15/12/2009 19:23:25
The only thing accountable for Truth is real time feeds. Real time facts, videos and logs.

All the before and after should be discarded. Media can be manipulated to say whatever they wish to mask reality afterwards.

So Real Time facts.

Can anyone provide such? Whoever can, will be holder of the truth in this case and welcome to present it at my conference.

This said




I'd be pleased to do so. We actually do have independent witness testimony of many clone-vat technicans with very interesting things to say on these matters (many of whom we had to rescue from Amarrian space after orders were passed for their termination by authorities at that time).

But yes, I'll be happy to tell the truth I saw in space that night.




welcome.





Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2009.12.15 21:34:00 - [108]
 

Adding a new theme to the discussion by public request:

Theme 2 - " Amarr: On matters of Heresy "

Much has been debated about the true Faith of Amarr and it's currents affairs. It's undeniable that the orthodox Church considers the Matters of "Faith" of ultimate importance.

But is it truly so? What is Heresy and What is not? Are there new standards? What has changed?

When were the scriptures overthrown for matters of convinience and what is the current Faith who replaced it?


I invite you all to critical thinking about the matter. To give you a little food to thought, I invite you all to see the position of one of the most vocal "representative of such Faith":

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.

Posted - 2003.10.28 16:09:00 - [9]


Should any of the losing heirs fail to commit suicide, then they would be commiting the most treasonable heresy imaginable.


Another example of a famous voice who found himself compeeled to give his opinion about the conference:

Tharrn
Amarr
Epitoth Guard
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2003.10.28 15:39:00 - [5]


An Emperor disregarding the scriptures and traditions would be unacceptable. If you are loyal to *the Empire* above else you'll surely agree.


Things have changed much from the mouths of those who claim to have an unshakable faith and hold true about matters of Faith and Politics.

Where is the " unacceptable " now?

Where is the " Most treasonable heresy imaginable?


Amarr. The Reign of Ignorance ends now.
Welcome.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
Ordo Magna
Posted - 2009.12.16 02:30:00 - [109]
 

To be honest, you all have been speaking in the void, not listening to what the others say, and repeating yourself. And, in this case, Miss Neferis you are ruling out the answers given to you, just repeating the same words. So, as one who vocally opposed the ascension of Empress Jamyl to the throne, I will speak here too.

There is a thing to consider in any theological debate on the nature of the Empire, God, and the Scriptures. Two authorities can speak on the matter: the Empress, and the Theology Council. With that said, Scriptures change over time, and evolve to adapt to new situations that arise. We saw proof of that when the Order of St. Tetrimon brought to the Empire the copies they had of the Scriptures, which they claimed had not been modified by history.

As such, there are two different points in time when we have to analyze what has been said. One is prior to her ascension to the Throne, the other is after. During the time prior, we all are free to speak what we think, on the incomplete information we have at the moment.

Then the Theology Council ruled everything as correct, knowing all the facts and details of the situation. Since they decided it so, being as they are our superiors, we accept it, and set aside our doubts and personal opinions. That is what it means to be Amarr, to be able to accept your place in the Universe. Ours is not the right to judge those above us, we can only have opinions.

And this is the situation once we reach the second point. Jamyl I is our Empress, and so have we all accepted it. There is no more doubt. Nor is there any hypocrisy or hidden truth, it is all clear and in the open. People have to accept the world around them as it is, and once a new Empress obtains the Throne the whole Empire is shaped to its own existance. And we, with it.

As for the Speaker of Truths issue. I was there. I spoke to him on several occassions. My corporation and I participated in securing him safe passage. We knew of Lord Archbishop's plans, as they were discussed in advanced with all involved. You can say all you like, we have proofs, logs and videolinks, as well as EVEmails and other assorted elements. Yet, as is usual with us, they will remain in our vaults. You can choose not to accept what I say and think it is all a forgery or a lie. Your call, Miss Constantine.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2009.12.16 02:51:00 - [110]
 

Edited by: Revan Neferis on 16/12/2009 03:17:12



If The Scriptures is the Word of your God they are unchangeable unless God himself attests so. Atemporal.

At the moment that the Scriptures are deliberately ignored you attest to have abandoned your faith.

Tharrn
Amarr
Epitoth Guard
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2003.10.28 15:39:00 - [5]

An Emperor disregarding the scriptures and traditions would be unacceptable. If you are loyal to *the Empire* above else you'll surely agree.


So I take that you disagree with our loyalist in his speech? or Agree?

Is the disregarding of the scriptures accepted now?

If you answer yes. I'm most pleased. Your God is dead, The scriptures can be used as cleaning paper. It's about time.

If you answer no, than you cannot accept Jamyl as your Empress.

The Theology Council deliberately ignored the scriptures in favour to accept Jamyl. It shows that the Empire has forsaken the concept of the word of God. as Sani Sabik , the original faith of Amarr teaches.

There are two choices there:

Accept the Legitimacy of Jamyl I together with the Theology Council against the word of God.

Or

Say that the scriptures is the word of God and therefore unchallenged and so, Theology council commits heresy or officially denies God.


Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.

Posted - 2003.10.28 16:09:00 - [9]

Should any of the losing heirs fail to commit suicide, then they would be commiting the most treasonable heresy imaginable.


I take it by your answer that you also disagree with the sentence above.
The failing of commiting suicide is no longer the so " most treasonable Heresy" to Amarr.

I take it that Jamyl did change the traditions and word of God.

I'd like to take a moment and tell our public that this is exactly what Sani Sabik teaches: Seeking Immortality and denying such traditions.

"Sani Sabik has many core principles, to be honest. Firstly there's the divinity of will, or to break it down, the idea that the strong of will and person should lead the rest. What this comes down to is usually a hierarchical structure not unlike the Amarr Empire, but with the right people in the right places."


Jamyl is in her right place.

"Secondly, there's the search for eternal life. This is an old difference that, from my research in ancient texts is probably one of the sole principles that separated Sani Sabik from the original Amarr faith."

Now that this sole principle is officially made null, Sani Sabik Faith and Amarr is one again.


To be fair, I expected you to be more conscious and question.To give me trouble killing God. For someone who used to be the leader of a true "Ordo Quaesitoris", you now quite accept what is given to you without the questioning. You may as well change the function of your Organization as you no longer delegate it the right to question.

New times.

Originally by: Sepherim

Then the Theology Council ruled everything as correct, knowing all the facts and details of the situation. Since they decided it so, being as they are our superiors, we accept it, and set aside our doubts and personal opinions.


" Set aside our doubts and personal opinions"

This is the true meaning of the word SLAVERY.
But I can't be more pleased.
Congratulations from your promotion from a thinking human to a non thinking entity.
I see that time has changed you a lot.


Now with an Empire without God and with Jamyl at her rightful place, we have no more fights to fight.

There are no risks.

Your scriptures values to you as much as it has always valued to me: Nothing at all.
I've been right about you: You are a Sani Sabik at heart and soul.
At last our past 3 years conflict comes to an end.

God is dead. His words overthrown.

Hail for Sani Sabik.
Hail for Jamyl I
May we all walk the path of truth.


Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik












Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2009.12.16 04:01:00 - [111]
 

The Speech of the Deceiver


Believers of the Church, Paladins of the Righteous, oh humble among those who seek the divine, welcome!

We are convened here today to discuss a matter of sinister consequence. A scourge has descended upon our realm; a blight which has threatened the core of our faith and the house I have sworn to protect.

I have prayed for strength; strength to bear the burden of being the sole protectorate of this throne; for never has the Demon had so great a temptation as the void which is before us now; the void that has remained since the holy ordained was taken from us.

To covet is evil; and mark my words, there are those who covet this throne. The Demon whispers to them, testing their faith night and day, tempting them with visions of power and worldly promises of lust and greed. Take the throne, he says. No need for Succession Trials. No need for Scriptures, for the rule of God, or the laws which He hath appointed.


It seems that we who preach these words, we who are charged with spreading the precious message of the Scriptures, are not immune to the Demon's ploy. It is with sadness and anger that I bring to you the news that some of us have failed the Test of Faith. Those who have been damned-those who are guilty of the most heinous crimes imaginable-they are none other than the corrupt souls of the Theology Council.

I am steadfast in my faith; it will be stronger tomorrow and every day thereafter until my journey to the gates of heaven. Amarr will have a Succession Trial; this is my solemn mission for all of you. No man shall stand before this altar and defy the laws that have held us for millennia; the very laws which God Himself bestowed upon us.

When the heirs are ready, when they make their peace with God and accept His divine plan, then we shall proceed with the laws of Succession. Until then, I will protect the sanctity of this throne with all of my might.

May his light guide us all in faith and reclaim, amen.

-- As spoken by Court Chamberlain Dochuta Karsoth, St. Kuria the Prophet Cathedral, 110 EST


Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Vlad Cetes
Caldari
H A V O C
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2009.12.16 04:19:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: Sepherim

Then the Theology Council ruled everything as correct, knowing all the facts and details of the situation. Since they decided it so, being as they are our superiors, we accept it, and set aside our doubts and personal opinions. That is what it means to be Amarr, to be able to accept your place in the Universe. Ours is not the right to judge those above us, we can only have opinions.



Negative. When someone is wrong, they must be corrected. Whether by word, by coercion, or by elimination.

Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Vanguard Imperium
Posted - 2009.12.16 04:21:00 - [113]
 

I do have to admire Jamyl's ability strong-arm the council and Holders into accepting her despite obvious lapses with established and supposedly -sacred- church and scripture doctrine. One has to wonder what she must have held over their heads in order for such a smooth transition of power to occur.

Perhaps the council and Holers of old were made of sterner stuff during Khanid's trials; as they at least made him fight for it, rather than rolling over so subserviently.




Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2009.12.16 04:33:00 - [114]
 

Edited by: Revan Neferis on 16/12/2009 04:34:24
Echoes of the Past

The Theology Council


Grand Master Elata Ardo
Posted - 2004.08.11 08:45:00 - [52]

Greetings brothers and sisters in Faith.

This discussion about our Order and our legitimacy has forced me to come forward to speak and address your concerns.

Firstly i must say, we are not a cult or breakaway sect. The Militant Order of St Tetrimon was founded in 21460 to counter the influences on the Amarr Empire that were brought about by the Mad Emperor Zaragram II who had usurped the scriptures and traditions of the Amarr. Our purpose has ever been the protection of the True Amarr Faith.

I have no personal argument with any in the Amarr Empire, and hold your faith and loyalty to the Emperor in high esteem. What pains me is the knowledge that this loyalty has been given to a lie, a lie that has continued for so long now that many believe it to be the truth. Our desire has never been to defend or support any political faction either inside or outside the Empire, only to reawaken understanding of the true faith and traditions amongst all Amarrians.

I agree with what some of you have already said, that we have fallen to new depths when Amarr seeks to kill Amarr, and to destroy holy artifacts. This shows how these "Moral Reforms" have indeed damaged our people.

I do not blame Emperor Doriam II, or his predecessor Heideran VII, for they followed the traditions as they were taught them, for these lies have been spread for over a millenia. But it was not always so. During the moral reforms from 21875 to 21950, the Council of Apostles was stripped of its powers, which were transferred to the Emperor and the newly formed Privy Council. The Emperor was elevated to become a spiritual and worldly leader of the Empire. Many at the time were strongly reminded of the Mad Emperor Zaragram II some 500 years earlier, but many of those voices were silenced, forever.

This new young Emperor gathered those religious leaders supportive of him into a special assembly to create a new cannon of scriptures that would increase the moral authority of the Emperor. This assembly became permanent and was named the Theology Council, the defenders of the new religious and political order. Theology Council Inquisitors were much feared throughout the Empire. Under their ruling fist many aspects of the Amarr faith were purged and modified to fit the new political order of the Empire - with the Emperor as the supreme and infallible voice of God.

You may understand our position better now, and why we do not seek the acceptance of the Theology council or to claim legitimacy through members of the Privy council, for the Theology council and the current authority of the Privy council and Emperor are not as originally intended by God, but are the creations of power hungry men.

Had they remained satisfied to lead the Amarr people according to the traditions, we would have had no argument, but those mere men changed and corrupted the word of God, but still spoke as if it were unchanged.

- Saint Elata Ardo.

St. Ardo died almost 3 years ago, shortly after the Theology Council temporarily lifted the suppression edict on the Order's teaching that Amarrian scriptures were altered to give more power to the Emperor and the Privy Council. St. Ardo was killed by Amarrian fundamentalists while on a mission to bring a library of ancient scriptures to the Theology Council for review.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.12.16 07:04:00 - [115]
 

Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 16/12/2009 07:04:44
Quote:
I do have to admire Jamyl's ability strong-arm the council and Holders into accepting her despite obvious lapses with established and supposedly -sacred- church and scripture doctrine. One has to wonder what she must have held over their heads in order for such a smooth transition of power to occur.


So, her reappearance from death to repulse the single largest assault on the Empire in its history is not enough to demonstrate divine will?

Revan is living in the past. She believes that somehow, the politics of interregnum are still relevant. That the petty disputes before Shakor's betrayal still mean something.

I have news for you Revan. Your actions of the past were designed to weaken the Empire that our Empress Jamyl now controls. Do you really think she is fond of you for your constant attempts to destabilize her rule, assuming that she looks at you as anything more important than a fedo?

You see a paradox, an heir who should have been dead who became empress anyways, and you try and turn that into an affirmation of your tragicomic religion.

I see a miracle. A former heir returned from the dead to aid Amarr in what could have been its darkest hour. A brilliant God-Appointed leader for our most-Glorious Amarrian Empire.

Amarr has a war to win, and failure is not an option, for we have our Empress to lead us and Destiny to follow.

Those who embrace the Lord
And walk in light
Shall be saved by His grace
For we are the shepherds in the dark
His Angels of Mercy

Those who turn away from the light
And walk in darkness
Shall be stuck down by His wrath
For we are retribution incarnate
His Angels of Vengeance

- Scriptures. Book of Reclaiming 4:45

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2009.12.16 07:35:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Revan is living in the past. She believes that somehow, the politics of interregnum are still relevant. That the petty disputes before Shakor's betrayal still mean something.


Much to the contrary Gaven, i'm bringing the past here to show how it is irrelevant now.
Isn't this clear with my posts regarding how the past has been utterly adapted to the new condition? How what it was once heretic, now is acceptable?

Please re-read my comments and you will find that I'm fully endorsing the traditions to be broken to this new Era.

Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
I have news for you Revan. Your actions of the past were designed to weaken the Empire that our Empress Jamyl now controls.


How so? Wasn't I right to wage wars against Tetrimon after all? Wan't Tetrimon itself declared heretic afterwards, just proving my point?
I believe that all my actions have strengthened the Empire and it's convictions for a swift non-conditional acceptance of Jamyl I.
We would have a different present, if not shaped by the same actions at the past.

Don't you believe that all of us works by the will of your God? If so, I did the exactly thing needed to bring Amarr to the acceptance of what once was called " treasonable heresy imaginable"

Think about it.


Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Do you really think she is fond of you for your constant attempts to destabilize her rule, assuming that she looks at you as anything more important than a fedo?


That is your conviction. I have pledged an Oath to Jamyl while inside the halls of Dark Seraph and so far, I haven't seen her condemning any of my actions. I have purged the Empire of Tetrimon, I would have carried out the assassination of Horm as demanded by the Theology Council if it was not by the interference of a loyalist.
Now, If she looks at me as a Fedo, Neither Sarum, nor Amarr have ever stated so. It can only mean that perhaps she looks at you too as a Fedo in the same way.
Or she may look at all of us as Fedos. Does it change the fact that history was shaped by our actions?
No.
Jamyl I is where she should be. Do we disagree in this regard?

Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
You see a paradox, an heir who should have been dead who became empress anyways, and you try and turn that into an affirmation of your tragicomic religion.


I see no paradox. Jamyl Sarum is the Empress who the Blood Sephrim have told us about in advance.
If that doesn't suffice, let's look at the evidences about Jamyl being the Empress that Court Chamberlain Dochuta Karsoth spoke about in his speech:

"Take the throne, he says. No need for Succession Trials. No need for Scriptures, for the rule of God, or the laws which He hath appointed."

Wasn't he right after all? I have no reasons to believe that Jamyl isn't the Empress of the Sani Sabik Faith. The Faith that acknowledges power, wars and immortality.

Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
I see a miracle. A former heir returned from the dead to aid Amarr in what could have been its darkest hour. A brilliant God-Appointed leader for our most-Glorious Amarrian Empire.


As for returning from the dead, I too did it and I can guarantee to you that it is not a miracle neither is what Jamyl did. Jamyl never died. She never committed suicide. It's simply clone technology that she used, against the scriptures and traditions but in accordance with the Sani Sabik faith.

Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr has a war to win, and failure is not an option, for we have our Empress to lead us and Destiny to follow.[center]

And may you succeed with that.

Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
scriptures quote


That is unneeded considering that the faith of the scriptures are overrated. The simple wish of the Empress should suffice now. We need not God.


Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik



Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
Fates Assembly
The Final Stand.
Posted - 2009.12.16 08:10:00 - [117]
 

I don't remember much some of the Speaker of Truth stuff. I wasn't much involved.

I recall Archbishop's brilliant ploy.

I also recall the Speaker teleporting.

it was a mess.

Tharrn
Amarr
Epitoth Fleet Yards
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.16 12:08:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine

Your most notable trait always was your capacity for self-delusion and outrageous flights of fancy. I have no doubt you have convinced yourself in a drug-smoke stupor that the Speaker of Truth was escorted to his destination by splendid Amarrian choir-boys in gold-lamé thongs and glitter in their hair but the hard reality is it simply didn't happen.

Your fleet failed. The speaker of truth was trapped in a station and opted to use "damned" clone technology to ensure his corrupted successor would reach the destination to claim a victory for the Amarrian church.

Still, tell your lies. It is your one pleasure remaining.



He was escorted by a fleet and didn't use a jumpclone. I was there with that fleet, I can attest it. You were probably too busy 'outmaneuvering' the escort group to notice though.

Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
Ordo Magna
Posted - 2009.12.16 13:58:00 - [119]
 

Edited by: Sepherim on 16/12/2009 13:58:27
Originally by: Revan Neferis
If The Scriptures is the Word of your God they are unchangeable unless God himself attests so. Atemporal.


You are wrong in this assumption. The Scriptures are a compilation of several books, from science, to faith, to law. Only some of the books were dictated by God. Those haven't been modified. Like with everything human, the rest has.

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So I take that you disagree with our loyalist in his speech? or Agree?


I agree with him, but where you see a paradox I see none. Laws and traditions are that, laws and traditions. Important in the ruling of the Empire, sure, but not set in stone. They change to adapt to new circumstances. As every organization does.

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Is the disregarding of the scriptures accepted now?


No. They were not disregarded. They were changed, and that is one of the power any Emperor has. That's why he is His chosen.

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Accept the Legitimacy of Jamyl I together with the Theology Council against the word of God.


This is a paradox. The voice of Jamyl I and the Theology Council is the word of God. They cannot be opposed.

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The failing of commiting suicide is no longer the so " most treasonable Heresy" to Amarr.


Without knowing the details of how it actually happened, I can't guarantee it. It is obvious that the easy explanation, the logical one, is that she cloned herself. But miracles happen, Miss Neferis. Without exact detail of what happened, I can not rule them out. Neither can you.

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I take it that Jamyl did change the traditions and word of God.


She changed the traditions, yes. But not the word of God.

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To be fair, I expected you to be more conscious and question.To give me trouble killing God. For someone who used to be the leader of a true "Ordo Quaesitoris", you now quite accept what is given to you without the questioning. You may as well change the function of your Organization as you no longer delegate it the right to question.


Actuallu, Miss Neferis, what you expected was that I arrived at the same answers as you did. I asked myself all those questions many times, and investigated about them to the extreme of my capacity. I just arrived at a different solution.

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" Set aside our doubts and personal opinions"
This is the true meaning of the word SLAVERY.
But I can't be more pleased.
Congratulations from your promotion from a thinking human to a non thinking entity.
I see that time has changed you a lot.


Slavery does that to one, yes, changes them a lot. But, in any case, we are all slaves ones of others: be it a Holder, a Lord Holder, a Heir, an Empress, or God himself. You cannot escape it, even if you try to deny it. That is why slavery exists, to teach this same basic lesson, that has to be written into the same soul and bones of the peoples.
As for a man without thinking entity... I think, just not along the same paths as you do. As I said before, I too was vocal against her Ascension. But that was in the first phase, not the second. In the second, I accept. Because I am an Amarr, and that is what a True Amarr does.

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Your scriptures values to you as much as it has always valued to me: Nothing at all.I've been right about you: You are a Sani Sabik at heart and soul.
At last our past 3 years conflict comes to an end.
God is dead. His words overthrown.


God cannot die. You either believe in Him or you don't, but if you don't He cannot die because he never existed, and if you do He cannot die because He is eternal. Thus it is an empty paradox.
As for the Scriptures, not all of them have the same value to me, but the parts dictated by God himself are set in stone. Both in my heart and my soul. If you share them, maybe it is because you aren't sani sabik at heart afterall.

Theophilas
Amarr
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
Posted - 2009.12.16 14:50:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: Tharrn
Originally by: Jade Constantine

Your most notable trait always was your capacity for self-delusion and outrageous flights of fancy. I have no doubt you have convinced yourself in a drug-smoke stupor that the Speaker of Truth was escorted to his destination by splendid Amarrian choir-boys in gold-lamé thongs and glitter in their hair but the hard reality is it simply didn't happen.

Your fleet failed. The speaker of truth was trapped in a station and opted to use "damned" clone technology to ensure his corrupted successor would reach the destination to claim a victory for the Amarrian church.

Still, tell your lies. It is your one pleasure remaining.



He was escorted by a fleet and didn't use a jumpclone. I was there with that fleet, I can attest it. You were probably too busy 'outmaneuvering' the escort group to notice though.



lol


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