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Reggie Stoneloader
Poofdinkles
Posted - 2010.01.07 22:51:00 - [91]
 

So your argument is that EvE cannot survive as it is, it has nothing to offer mainstream MMO players that they can't get more readily elsewhere, and the small group of misfits who actually enjoy this terrible game in its current form are not enough to keep CCP in the black after the majority of subscribers are offered a way to get their internet spaceships in a less painful package.

I think you're dead wrong, I'm offended by the claim and I wish you would go away.

Assuming, for the sake of argument, that you aren't trolling or stupid, I will just plain disagree with you. There are and have been other space MMOs that don't use PvP as ubiquitously as EvE does. EvE's appeal comes from more than just the setting, the game is good, and fun, and unique. A shard-heavy grind-o-matic with laser beams and the ability to get out of the ship and walk around to collect quest items and loot will not usurp this game, just like Conan's PvP and nipples didn't usurp this game, just like Warhammer's factions didn't usurp this game, just like WoW's leveling and safety doesn't usurp this game. The single server is a big part of what makes this game succeed in its own right. No other game offers what EvE offers. The human element, in the form of PvP, enriches this world and its denizens, deepening gameplay and turning mundane resource harvesting and repetitive content into a fun, exciting, risk-filled venture.

You are suggesting that CCP take away the things that make it unique and separate and replace them with copy-cat gimmicks that'll turn it into just what you seem to think it's trying to be, a cookie-cutter MMO that replaces elves with rocketships. If you want to play a different game, go do so. CCP is good people. They know their target audience and they cater to them. I would never ask them to compromise their vision to rake in a few more millions each year. If there comes a time when they can't afford food and electricity and have to do something drastic and game-breaking, I hope they turn the whole world 0.0, let the servers run for three months, and then have the EvE gate open and a Terran Omegatitan come through and vaporize the galaxy. I love this game, it's a wild and beautiful thing. Pulling its teeth and putting it on a leash will not improve it.

DeathRavens
Posted - 2010.01.07 22:59:00 - [92]
 

No,it will ruin eve

Darik Acripher
Posted - 2010.01.07 23:32:00 - [93]
 

Heh, I'm sorry, but I have a little song to sing to your noobs:

We're CCP! We march on fearlessly!
Excellent is what we strive to be!
If you're going to follow us to the top
HARDEN THE **** UP!

I took that from the Tvtropes webpage, but after re-starting my account, it certainly is true.

EVE is NOT a game where everyone is to hold your hand. Beyond corp, maybe alliance, maybe maybe some nice friends of your corp, you can't expect some random person to help you, and if they do, I'd bet 7 times out of 10 they do so while you float there in your pod and look in your wreck to see what you dropped.

This might suck when you're a noob, but if you're really fit for EVE, then you don't just go whine, you LEARN from this, you set a goal to become BETTER, and next time instead of being ganked, that YOU GANK THEM. If a noob can find that drive, he can do amazing things, like tanking a sleeper BS on your third week of ever playing EVE. And with his mission-running stuff firmly maxed out, he can begin training for a rifter, and with that little tiny gunboat of the best T1 HELL there can be in a frigate, he can enter slowly into the world of PvP.

In my experience in the past 2 weeks of being a recruiting officer, many SEEK PvP training. Even the ones in Uitra, who are only a few days old, who manage to mess up massively (and if they don't mess up well, 1. Gank 2. Gank Again 3. Kick because they're probably a spai. Oh, and if they think anything greater than 9 jumps away is 'close' they aren't noobs. Almost always. When you get back into EVE after a several month Haitus, and start almost completely from scratch, you tend to learn what is authentic noobishness and what is not. And yes, it is VERY clear, with practically 0 gray zone. Enough diversion).

EVE should NEVER have this happen. The sheer challenge of EVE makes it really, really fun. Even trading is 10x better, AT LEAST, with the entirely player-run market. EVE without PvP =/= EVE, and I'd hate to see somebody who shows interest, who could have a gerat deal of fun playing EVE, to be siphoned off for some kind of hollow, lifeless, despicable and horrible shell of a game that decieves the players into thinking they are playing EVE, without any of the challenge, without the LIFE that comes from the intensity only possible through a single-server game. THAT would sap subscription fees from CCP, as many players have travelled that path; I have talked to many who wish to start EVE again after messing up and going all Carebear, staying in a noob corp for several months and feeling little of the thrill EVE has to offer. THAT would make them bored after a few months, make them lose interest, make them quit. THAT could KILL EVE.

/eloquent rant of me expressing my passionate side. Now to express some poetic liscence in my reply: (pun intended, no matter how horrible it may be)



EVE without players locked in combat isn't EVE... EVE is harsh, EVE is hard...
There always will be boys too new, too fresh, that complain.
But if they stick with it, they become men, tough and scarred,
They become respected through trial and hardship and pain.
Even though fresh, they do chafe in the vanguard,
Coveting the great glory in pirate's domain.
EVE without PvP is EVE never truly played:
To all among the stars, this should be known.

Ti'anla
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.01.07 23:51:00 - [94]
 

Edited by: Ti''anla on 08/01/2010 00:00:14
Edited by: Ti''anla on 07/01/2010 23:52:42
No o.o

How to poke holes in everything EVE is.

I'm a peaceful scavenger mostly, PvP'ers are my biggest fear - until I find out people would actually seriously suggest this. I mean for goodness' sake, this breaks everything EVE was designed to be.

EVE is PVP. There's no way around it. Everything in EVE is limited including PvE resources. There is no action you can take beyond simple travelling in this game that won't disadvantage another player. And all of that relies further on direct player versus player to operate.

To make a PVE server you would literally have to rewrite EVE on the code level from the ground up. Just trying would financially cripple CCP.

People have made the point far better already, so that's all besides a hearty good Lord no..

Gwydion Telcontar
Gallente
Telcontar Enterprises
Posted - 2010.01.08 00:47:00 - [95]
 

Are you people too young to remember the lessons of Ultima Online?

UO actually did this; split each server into 2 worlds that you could freely move between.
It completely and utterly destroyed the game; it was never the same afterwards. The "pvp" side (Feluca if I remember) was empty and it was terrible.

I think our OP is trolling as there is no way this was a serious post.

Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
Posted - 2010.01.08 00:55:00 - [96]
 

Edited by: Esrevid Nekkeg on 08/01/2010 01:03:39
I'm a fan of hardcore Science Fiction. Have been for at least the past 30 odd years. Books, films, games, you name it.
And then 3 months ago I found EVE. The first game, the first environment, where I can really emerge in a fully fledged hard core science fiction universe become 'real'.
Of course there are safer places, of course there are really dangerous places.
But it is never safe. As it should be.

So game mechanics, PvE, PvP, and all those other words apart, it wouldn't be SF any more if the universe would be split into two different realities*), one safe, one deadly.

It would be utterly boring.

*) Although a split universe/reality is a valid science fiction theme, it hardly ever makes any of them a safer place...Cool

davet517
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.01.08 01:02:00 - [97]
 

This is what most MMOs do. The result is very predictable. The "PvP" server would slowly die. Eve is the only MMO that I know of right now whose player base continues to grow year after year. The way that they have balanced PvE and PvP so that they can coexist on one server is largely responsible for that.

The only threat to it that I see right now is the increasing popularity of "suicide ganking". They will need to keep that in check if they want to continue to grow.

DuKackBoon
Posted - 2010.01.08 01:18:00 - [98]
 

No, just no! This goes against what makes EVE so awesome: The single server.

Daemonspirit
Six Degrees of Separation
Posted - 2010.01.08 02:56:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Darik Acripher
Heh, I'm sorry, but I have a little song to sing to your noobs:
We're CCP! We march on fearlessly!
Excellent is what we strive to be!
If you're going to follow us to the top
HARDEN THE **** UP!
I took that from the Tvtropes webpage, but after re-starting my account, it certainly is true.


God I hate that video, and that quote...

But not as much as I deplore the OP's idea.
I can't even imagine the game split. I also do *not* believe that the new games are going to siphon off any appreciable % of the player base. I could be wrong, but Eve has been slowly growing for 6 years now, I don't forsee that changing, unless they shard the game....

Then I'm out too.... Last one out, turn off the servers........

PMSing
North Eastern Swat
Posted - 2010.01.08 03:56:00 - [100]
 

How old is this guy?

Clearly he does not understand how the ecosystem works

Agnatar
Posted - 2010.01.08 04:43:00 - [101]
 

I think EVE don't need a PvE server but a clear frontier between PvP and PvE what's not the case atm.
Make the Lowsec like the Highsec is now and then change the Highsec in a way that PvP is impossible in Highsec. Problem solved.

ZigZag Joe
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas.
Posted - 2010.01.08 08:26:00 - [102]
 

HAHAHAHAHA...... no. And don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Reggie Stoneloader
Poofdinkles
Posted - 2010.01.08 08:40:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: ZigZag Joe
HAHAHAHAHA...... no. And don't let the door hit you on the way out.
It kind of hurts my feelings to see such as astute and appropriate reply that renders all my rebuttals and counter-arguments unnecessary. Yes. GTFO, HTFU, begone from this imaginary and awesome world that is so completely alien to you.

Agnatar
Posted - 2010.01.08 12:19:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Daemonspirit
I also do *not* believe that the new games are going to siphon off any appreciable % of the player base. I could be wrong, but Eve has been slowly growing for 6 years now, ...


That sounds like if you think a MMOG could be immortal. 6 years is a long time. If a MMOG wants to be attractive even after 6 years it needs refreshing what's not really the case for EVE. An active UI-modding scene could bring in refreshing, therefore it's completely unintelligible why CCP forbids that.
How long were the good times for Ultima Online? For EQ1? For DaoC? Around ~5 years from my observation.
I played EQ2 for 5 years and although I think it's a good game I have enough and swerve for something new.
I hoped EVE could be that for me but not with it's terrible UI.

Scouteye
Locasta Tactical
Posted - 2010.01.08 12:53:00 - [105]
 

NO NO NO NEVER NEVER NEVER FOOL OP!

Would destroy the game, simple.

Whole game revolves around pvp, without pvp theres no demand for anything so the game becomes pointless for all the industry/pve types and impossible for the pvp types.

Away back to hello kitty online if you want an easy life.

Grarr Wrexx
Posted - 2010.01.08 13:10:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Agnatar
I think EVE don't need a PvE server but a clear frontier between PvP and PvE what's not the case atm.
Make the Lowsec like the Highsec is now and then change the Highsec in a way that PvP is impossible in Highsec. Problem solved.


It's highsec, not perfectsec. Live with it.

Captn Charisma
Posted - 2010.01.08 13:52:00 - [107]
 

Edited by: Captn Charisma on 08/01/2010 13:52:08
Originally by: Svetdana
Eve can keep it's revolutionary idea with PVP 1st PVE 2nd, 2nd server is secondary to the pvp server, use the pve server to rake in some cash to support the whole ball and wax, can't you see what I am trying to achieve? More income to CCP = bigger game!
Go look at all all the L4 missions posts. there is a market for PVE godamit, capitalize, and stay true to nature at the same time. USE the carebear money's to MAKE EVE BETTER OVERALL. the pvp will get a little more competetive, but in the end everyone will win overall.


Your idiocy knows no bounds.

Captn Charisma
Posted - 2010.01.08 13:59:00 - [108]
 

That sounds like if you think a MMOG could be immortal. 6 years is a long time. If a MMOG wants to be attractive even after 6 years it needs refreshing what's not really the case for EVE. An active UI-modding scene could bring in refreshing, therefore it's completely unintelligible why CCP forbids that.
How long were the good times for Ultima Online? For EQ1? For DaoC? Around ~5 years from my observation.
I played EQ2 for 5 years and although I think it's a good game I have enough and swerve for something new.
I hoped EVE could be that for me but not with it's terrible UI.


You are hereby barred from posting until something intelligible can be produced.

Lasakywa
Section XIII
Posted - 2010.01.08 16:11:00 - [109]
 

Edited by: Lasakywa on 08/01/2010 16:12:52
Seriously ? EVE has the worst PvE and the best PvP around. Why would you want a only-PvE server ?

I mean, you would kill NPCs without a risk, buy better stuff, then kill NPC faster, to make more money, to buy better stuff, to kill NPC faster ect ? What's the point, in the end ? Great way to lose your time.

Svetdana
Posted - 2010.01.10 00:33:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: Lasakywa
Edited by: Lasakywa on 08/01/2010 16:12:52
Seriously ? EVE has the worst PvE and the best PvP around. Why would you want a only-PvE server ?

I mean, you would kill NPCs without a risk, buy better stuff, then kill NPC faster, to make more money, to buy better stuff, to kill NPC faster ect ? What's the point, in the end ? Great way to lose your time.


My point is in the thread, loud and clear.. here is a hint, pretend your a CCP board member, or shareholder for 10 seconds. Oh and do a little reseach, compare all the other sharded MMOrpg's, and tell me the ratio of PVP servers, and PVE servers.

Now while rubbing your fingers together, make a new server, you don't really give to much **** about. label it as a pve server, and let the cash cow begin.

Take the new money from the cash cow, make the game better. Hire more staff.



Ok, as a player on the pve server. there are 2 outcomes when someone gets bored on the pve server.

1) they decide they have a grasp on the game, they would like to get more hardcore. They sign up for a paid transfer to the real server.

2) they decide the game is boring, they will never play on a pvp server. They quit and never come back.

How would a 2nd server label'd PvE "kill the game"?

All of these new reports about the "record breaking" number of people online at the same time, is NOT a picture of a successful company to me. I would seriously like to know how much CCP payed to have the game advertised on every corner of the net! Can allready see the ratio of trials / subscribers easy enough.

Many of the new players over the last while have come from _ _ _ (3 letter acronym that is forbidden on forums) They just want something to tide them over untill the next big thing. Then they will be gone. (check out massively.com for an idea where they could be going...doing my best here not to put the name of any other game(s) in the post)

How many other space MMOrpg's are out right now? (with even 1/10th of the epic scale of EvE.) Over the next few months, there is a LOT of space mmo's about to launch. They are going to cut into EvE's PvE AND PvP playerbase.

Next they start cutting staff and costs = The game's bug's only get worse, and there are no more expansions. Game is now officially dead, they downscale the hardware, leave the game to finish its slow death. That is if they have something to keep the company going, and don't just die off completly. From my understanding, EvE right now is a 1 trick poney. EvE dies = CCP dies.

Just to make you feel better, I do think they will / allready have, thrown any idea's of a 2nd server out the window. The hardware to do it would cost them alot. Also, from some of the stuff I have read, Most of the people that work on eve do not like PvE at all themselves. Lastly, they might read something like this post, and feel validated by the flames and negative replies I have gotten on the subject. I would like to point out the bias on the forums, of a 6+ year old game, that has been purely PvP from the start though.

I would stay on the PvP server.
No you cannot have my stuffs.
I have no ass for a door to hit.

DuKackBoon
Posted - 2010.01.10 01:08:00 - [111]
 

You don't get it, do you? CCP cares more about the game, and less about the money, or are you to stubborn to realise?!

Svetdana
Posted - 2010.01.10 01:26:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: DuKackBoon
You don't get it, do you? CCP cares more about the game, and less about the money, or are you to stubborn to realise?!


If you seriously believe that any company does not care about money, I have swampland for sale. Why is there a PvE element at all in the game if they do not care aout money? There was no high sec and missions when the game started. They did it for the PvP players? Wow, they couldnt of done it for the money.. since they are not in it for the money. /sarcasm off

mundus123
Posted - 2010.01.10 01:54:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: Svetdana
Originally by: DuKackBoon
You don't get it, do you? CCP cares more about the game, and less about the money, or are you to stubborn to realise?!


If you seriously believe that any company does not care about money, I have swampland for sale. Why is there a PvE element at all in the game if they do not care aout money? There was no high sec and missions when the game started. They did it for the PvP players? Wow, they couldnt of done it for the money.. since they are not in it for the money. /sarcasm off


Ok i think you are high right now so please go to bed, come back tomorrow then read this.

Yes CCP cares about money, i bet they care about it alot, its why they keep trying to develope the game to keep more vets and attract new players.

CCP is also a really cool company since they havnt lost their roots yet, even though they like money, they love the game they created! I dont know how many times they have said it, but THIS IS NOT WOW, THIS IS NOT HELLOW KITTY ISLAND ADVENTURE! EVE is suppost to be dangerous, safety is not guaranteed. Might i refference the market fialur that would happen as almost everyone has noted.

What your asking for is not a new server, your asking for a new game.

Btw if you dont believe about ccp themselves talking about not wanting to make hellow kitty island adventure, watch the fanfest vid's.

p.s. You wouldnt stay on the pvp server, before everyone ragequite, they would pod you over and over again.

Zeredek
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.01.10 01:57:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: Svetdana
Originally by: DuKackBoon
You don't get it, do you? CCP cares more about the game, and less about the money, or are you to stubborn to realise?!


If you seriously believe that any company does not care about money, I have swampland for sale. Why is there a PvE element at all in the game if they do not care aout money? There was no high sec and missions when the game started. They did it for the PvP players? Wow, they couldnt of done it for the money.. since they are not in it for the money. /sarcasm off


Did you consider the possibility that CCP =/= Blizzard?

DuKackBoon
Posted - 2010.01.10 03:19:00 - [115]
 

Edited by: DuKackBoon on 10/01/2010 03:22:37
Originally by: Svetdana
Originally by: DuKackBoon
You don't get it, do you? CCP cares more about the game, and less about the money, or are you to stubborn to realise?!


If you seriously believe that any company does not care about money, I have swampland for sale. Why is there a PvE element at all in the game if they do not care aout money? There was no high sec and missions when the game started. They did it for the PvP players? Wow, they couldnt of done it for the money.. since they are not in it for the money. /sarcasm off


I didn't say that they don't care about the money, I said they care more about the game than about the money, learn to read damnit.

A 2nd server is 1000% out of the question, never gonna happen. It goes against one of the base principles of EVE, which is everyone on one server, in one universe playing together. Not 2 servers, not 10, no, only 1 server, more isn't needed, and not wanted either. You are the ONLY one here who likes your idea, which means it's a BAD idea.

EDIT: If it was possible to report posts for idiocy of the poster, I would probably report every single post of you in this topic.

Aedon Savaar
Posted - 2010.01.10 03:55:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Svetdana
Originally by: DuKackBoon
You don't get it, do you? CCP cares more about the game, and less about the money, or are you to stubborn to realise?!


If you seriously believe that any company does not care about money, I have swampland for sale. Why is there a PvE element at all in the game if they do not care aout money? There was no high sec and missions when the game started. They did it for the PvP players? Wow, they couldnt of done it for the money.. since they are not in it for the money. /sarcasm off


I don't really understand what you are trying to say.
First of all: You're not an economist for ccp. The playerbase in eve is growing constantly and you have no idea what you are talking about.

Second: The server is hardly full. How could you make more money by removing the most unique thing about this game?
There is absolutely no connection between profit and splitting servers. People won't go "OMG eve online has another server NOW I HAVE To JOIN!", and to be honest, i think it would even have the opposite effect.
Imagine players joining a server with half the ammount of players as the regular eve. Just silent, black, lifeless space. That's lame.

Third: Why do you think highsec and PvE elements were made for the money?
Even though i enjoy the dangers of the eve universe, highsec offers safety for those who wants it, and that's its sole purpouse. And yes, there were high sec areas when eve started aswell, read through the features page.

Fourth:
None of the new sci-fi MMO's have what eve has. They completely lack the ammount of total power that players have in this game, and they are based on instances and lack the feeling of unity that eve offers.
You are also missing out on the fact that dozens of people have been trying to explain to you:
That eve is a closed economy.
This means that money must not be added nor withdrawn from the game world for the economy to be at balance, and paying for those transfers doesn't make things better since it doesn't fit into the supply/demand model from which the world operates. You could aswell buy money from some Pay4Isk site.

And finally: what disturbs me the most is all this **** talk about eve making more money from a server split thus getting an improved game. That's not the way it happens. When i joined eve, it was empty and pretty lifeless. But that is changing. New players are joining, and content is being included all the time, and THAT, not the server limits (the server has been improved continiously this far) is what makes players come to eve. Because it's fun, and because CCP is constantly struggeling to make it even funnier, not because it has a lot of space for you to screw around in.

ITTigerClawIK
Amarr
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
Posted - 2010.01.10 05:17:00 - [117]
 

10/10 for Epic Troll thread, come on people have you not realised that this person is not serius about this at lal and wants attention and i must say its worked a treat :-P

McEivalley
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.01.10 08:06:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Svetdana
Edited by: Svetdana on 11/12/2009 05:23:33
Originally by: illford baker
Originally by: Svetdana
Originally by: illford baker
some stuff!


Lets see eve with over 1 mill players, playing the way they want to play.

1 mill players is useless if they are all on different server, because they might as well be playing a different game. how many players is on the average wow server? 1K? and half of them can't talk to the other half! making a second server will be the worst idea ever. plus, quality over quantity.


CCP is a company, money talks.

EDIT: with the cash of 1 mill subscribers, think of how much more would go into the game, to help both sides


Most of it will go to content improving. More epic mission arcs with new officer names that drop t1 and named loot in hi sec. The ultimate PVE pwnmobile will ultimately be born, alongside a mining barge that can grind planets in minutes and factorize a titan an hour later. None of these will enter the PvP server which will die a quick yet painful death. It will die because the intricate fabric eve has now with the pvp and pve relationship will be destroyed.

Right now we have some people who choose to pve but value the pvp side of the game, and at least (probably more) the same number that don't. I agree that this is the case. But that is because they are narrow-minded, small people with very little needs. They are content, like bees and ants, to do their routines and in essence become the cogs and wheels that turn eve's economy. If they all migrate to the pve server they will destroy the market, the competition in it, allowing the major power blocks to completely dominate their local markets and cancel "gray trade".

So no.


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