Posted - 2009.12.10 11:24:00 - [3]

 

Excellent thank you very much! i'll be trying that as soon as the servers go up.

Posted - 2009.12.10 11:42:00 - [5]

 

Of course if you want something a bit more lulzy:

[High]
Arbalest Siege missile launcher I
Arbalest Siege missile launcher I
Arbalest Siege missile launcher I
Arbalest Siege missile launcher I
Arbalest Siege missile launcher I
Arbalest Siege missile launcher I

[Medium]
X-L Shield Booster II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
100MN Afterburner II
Target Painter II
Target Painter II

[Low]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

[Rigs]
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

[Drones]
Hammerhead II x 5
Hobgoblin II x 5

Posted - 2009.12.10 12:37:00 - [7]

 

Originally by: Fornicis

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Now, in reality I use a CNR which is obviously fitted a bit more expensively than this, I fit 7 Arbalest in the highs, CN X-Large SB, CN rat specifics X3 normally 2Expl and 1Kin mainly as I fight Angels. The cap on this lasts 1min 24secs with my skills, not very long right? I did Angels Extravaganza last night, didn't have to warp out and my cap only went to 50% at least, 80% shields minimum at all times. The point of the X-Large is to PULSE it, not run it constantly, check how much it pulses for when you fit it, then run it once when you're shields hit that point, not before.

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I'd suggest a Heavy Cap Booster instead of a Shield Boost Amp for someone just moving into level 4's. 800 charges are cheap enough and will give you more sustained tank which you'll need since your dps most likely wont be high enough to prevent you from warping off all the time.

Posted - 2009.12.10 13:43:00 - [9]

 

Originally by: Mogranon

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(moving up from a drake)

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Would like to add that it's worth keeping hold of your drake for 3 reasons:

The mission buzz kill is best done in a drake (one of my favorite missions)

A drake can solo wormholes (raven can but has problems)

Also for times when the ravens tank simply can't hack the mission a full SPR drake can often lower the incoming DPS enough to bring the raven in by killing all the smaller stuff.

Originally by: Mogranon

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my soon-to-be PVP life

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If you want to pvp then i'd strongly advise getting a small group of mates together and running a few level fours in T1 cruisers and offer to be the tank useing a caracal with the following fit:

[Caracal, PVE]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

10MN Afterburner II
Alumel-Wired I Sensor Augmentation, Targeting Range
Small Shield Booster II
V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Warrior II x2


You'll need to use range and speed to tank so it will be a gentle introduction to the art of the caracal and if you want to be any good in a pvp then learning how to use a caracal properly will give you a good base of RL skills.

Once you get into pvp the cookie cutter fits are:

[Caracal, heavy]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

10MN MicroWarpdrive I
J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor I
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Scan Resolution
V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Warrior II x2


[Caracal, little ass]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

10MN MicroWarpdrive I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Warrior II x2

Posted - 2009.12.10 14:26:00 - [11]

 

woah, thankx so much for all the help everyone!

I'm actually copy-pasting all these into MS-word incase this topic gets lost or something..

for PVP I thought about using a stealth bomber.. At the moment my gunnery skills are really low, so my only option is missiles in pvp and plus i'm training for the T2 Caldari exploration frigate.

I already have 3 or 4 fully fitted carcals for PVP already + my drake which I mainly use for exploration now. My Raven has been sitting in a station for about a week.. I haven't tried taking it out ever since I nearly lost it in "Dimsel in Distress" mission, which got me kinda depressed

Those caracal fits look pretty awesome, I'll probably upgrade my fits very soon and go out to get some practice.

Posted - 2009.12.10 15:21:00 - [13]

 

Originally by: Mogranon

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At the moment this is my raven fit.. it is "barely" cap stable.. if i try to remove a single flux coil in place of a Ballistic Control system II.. the cap goes down to about 3 minutes 45 seconds.. and L4 missions last around 30-45 minutes to complete.

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Cap stable with an XL booster is way over tanking a Raven, you should really only need about 2 minutes of stability and only pulse your booster for a minute when your shields get down to about 30%.

Your mids look decent, but I would suggest replacing all of those cap flux coils in the lows with a mix of power diagnostic system IIs and BCUs, less PDSs and more BCUs as you gain better cap skills. Maybe a damage control until you get a feel for running your ship.

To perma run a raven and still have decent DPS you need to look into the smaller complex boosters such as a pair of pithi small boosters or a medium.

Posted - 2009.12.10 17:59:00 - [15]

 

Mogranon: with both just getting into a Raven & L4's plus your Eng SP's: you're going to be stuck with those 5 Flux Coils for a while. Work on getting Shield Management up to 5 so you can get into t2 boost amps. They help tremendously. I'd also recommend dropping the 2nd specific hardener and going with a 2nd boost amp.

As for the 'Tank' v/s 'Gank' arguement: get comfortable flying your Raven and with running L4's. There's nothing wrong with a perma tank. It's auto pilot and you can focus on completing the mission & making ISK's/LP's. It just takes a while longer. When your skills get higher you can move into a DPS fit when you're ready. This thread is a good place to look over DPS fits: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1178407. AstroPhobic is a wise sage concerning Ravens IMO and his advice is always sound.

Posted - 2009.12.10 23:02:00 - [17]

 

Without really knowing the skills involved, I'll keep my statement brief.

Unless you are willing to invest a LOT of capital into a Raven, trying to produce an active tank that can run forever is a folly. While it provides an excellent safety net for the first forrays into level IV missions, which are the first missions a caldari player will encounter that have a reasonable chance to kill you, the resulting hit in damage is staggering.

As a general purpose compromise fitting, I'd ALWAYS fit 2 BCU's minimum - the rest of the lows can be used for whatever cap gear you choose (I generally suggest PDU's as you don't compromise your burst tank). The stock standard mids for a new level 4 runner are likely XL Booster, Amp, and 4 shield hardeners. Rigs are generally cap control circuits.


The trouble is, getting a cap stable design with the black hole that is the XL booster is difficult at best and requires the sacrifice of most (or all) low slots. The Gist line of boosters is the key to victory as they not only produce better shield output, they do so at roughly half the cap. THis means you can become cap stable with little more than rigs and an item or two. Unfortunately, the best models of the XL deadspace booster line cost somewhere on the order of 5 - 12x more than the ship itself.