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Xaunt Rauber
Posted - 2009.12.09 19:46:00 - [31]
 

Came across quite a good scam today, selling a Freighter, labeled Charon, but it had 3 General Freight Containers and a unit of Carbon in there. Fooled me the first time looking at it.

Tvaishk Suzuki
Long Night Industries
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.09 22:25:00 - [32]
 

I may be a little out of date here, but isn't there also the courier contract scams as well, the ones that ask for collateral and give a decent payout, but ether send you to somewhere you can't actually get to, or to somewhere, where theirs a camp waiting.

W3370Pi4
Lamb Federation Navy
Posted - 2009.12.10 01:01:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: W3370Pi4 on 10/12/2009 01:01:32
The courier scam is a classic and only relys on the fact that some people don't check the route required to complete the contract : some bits of High sec are separated by a few low sec or 0.0 systems if you don't check the route you can't know that

and most of the time the courier content is only like some GFC or some huge crap and you cant haul it without a freighter/JF

Julian Koll
The Kollektive
Posted - 2009.12.10 01:03:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Xaunt Rauber
Came across quite a good scam today, selling a Freighter, labeled Charon, but it had 3 General Freight Containers and a unit of Carbon in there. Fooled me the first time looking at it.


Originally by: Tvaishk Suzuki
I may be a little out of date here, but isn't there also the courier contract scams as well, the ones that ask for collateral and give a decent payout, but ether send you to somewhere you can't actually get to, or to somewhere, where theirs a camp waiting.


you did not really read this thread, did you


Xentana
Posted - 2009.12.10 10:04:00 - [35]
 

Another scam i see from time to time is some guy who wants to buy a large number of a certain ship, but he says, that his market window doesn't work atm. So he wants to give you more for the ship, than the sell orders on the market.
In fact he is the one selling the ship and he won't accept your contract after you bought them from him.ugh

Xaunt Rauber
Posted - 2009.12.10 11:11:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Julian Koll
Originally by: Xaunt Rauber
Came across quite a good scam today, selling a Freighter, labeled Charon, but it had 3 General Freight Containers and a unit of Carbon in there. Fooled me the first time looking at it.


Originally by: Tvaishk Suzuki
I may be a little out of date here, but isn't there also the courier contract scams as well, the ones that ask for collateral and give a decent payout, but ether send you to somewhere you can't actually get to, or to somewhere, where theirs a camp waiting.


you did not really read this thread, did you




Since that has nothing to do with my post, no, I didn't.

If your refering to that post overall, yes I did, after I posted my post.

Point being? Merely reinforcing his post.

Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Global Economy Experts
Posted - 2009.12.10 12:54:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Xaunt Rauber
Came across quite a good scam today, selling a Freighter, labeled Charon, but it had 3 General Freight Containers and a unit of Carbon in there. Fooled me the first time looking at it.


See number 5 in my original post. Smile

The courier "scams" didn't really cross my mind. I don't know if I'd classify them as scams, more like traps, since if you can make it past the ambush you would really get the money you deserved from the contract.

The courier contracts that lead to a 0.0 station you can't get to is still debatable. Some of those can be valid contracts that the person would like someone with docking rights to be able to complete. At any rate, there's been many a thread arguing that one. Wink

Hannydue
Gallente
Posted - 2009.12.10 16:02:00 - [38]
 


Thanks for all the good ideas! YARRRR!!ugh

Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Global Economy Experts
Posted - 2009.12.10 18:50:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Xentana
Another scam i see from time to time is some guy who wants to buy a large number of a certain ship, but he says, that his market window doesn't work atm. So he wants to give you more for the ship, than the sell orders on the market.
In fact he is the one selling the ship and he won't accept your contract after you bought them from him.ugh


Yeah, that is a variation on 3b. Smile

Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Posted - 2009.12.10 19:15:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Xaunt Rauber
Came across quite a good scam today, selling a Freighter, labeled Charon, but it had 3 General Freight Containers and a unit of Carbon in there. Fooled me the first time looking at it.


This definitely deserves a mention in the OP - it's one of the most common scams. On a similar plane, you have people who will pass off other items as more valuable variants, e.g. CN Photon Scattering Amplifier as a CN Invuln, or CN Cataclysm Cruise Missile in place of CN Cruise Missile Launcer; the names are similar, but one is worth far more than the other. Also, especially with that particular item, the contract description will sometimes state "x7" when only 1 unit is actually present (people usually want 7 of them for their CNRs, which have 7 launcher slots).

Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Global Economy Experts
Posted - 2009.12.10 19:27:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Originally by: Xaunt Rauber
Came across quite a good scam today, selling a Freighter, labeled Charon, but it had 3 General Freight Containers and a unit of Carbon in there. Fooled me the first time looking at it.


This definitely deserves a mention in the OP - it's one of the most common scams. On a similar plane, you have people who will pass off other items as more valuable variants, e.g. CN Photon Scattering Amplifier as a CN Invuln, or CN Cataclysm Cruise Missile in place of CN Cruise Missile Launcer; the names are similar, but one is worth far more than the other. Also, especially with that particular item, the contract description will sometimes state "x7" when only 1 unit is actually present (people usually want 7 of them for their CNRs, which have 7 launcher slots).


I did mention it in the OP. Could I do something to bring it more to light?

The x7 thing is one that I neglected to note, though.

SiJira
Posted - 2009.12.10 19:52:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Dretzle Omega


10) Rich Benefactor: These scams read as so. "I am bored and/or want to be generous. I have X Bil ISK in my wallet. Send me any amount of ISK and I will give you back 5 times the amount."

First, I almost think that any idiot that wishes to give his ISK to such a blatant scam deserves to be separated from his ISK. But then, there are the new players that don't understand what's going on. For their sake:

THIS IS A SCAM. If you give random player in Jita ISK, he's not going to give it back. Very small amounts (say, under 10k), he may do as he claims and give back 5 times the amount. This is a bait tactic. He wants you to trust him so you will give him more. Then he will keep your ISK.


be careful this has different styles like two-three-10 times

some of the lower return ones actually send back isk for a few hours to get support

Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Global Economy Experts
Posted - 2010.01.03 04:38:00 - [43]
 

Sorry to dig this thread up again, but just saw an interesting one. Riethe was "selling" a Class 6 wormhole, of course convo him if interested. I think the basic common sense is don't buy a bookmark off someone you don't know well. There's no way to verify the wormhole is there until you go to it.

Bret Caliaro
Harassment Inc.
Posted - 2010.01.03 04:53:00 - [44]
 

That's actually quite creative I miss the clever ones.

Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Global Economy Experts
Posted - 2010.01.03 05:14:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Bret Caliaro
That's actually quite creative I miss the clever ones.


Leave it to Riethe. He's a scammer, but an effective one. I caught him doing a "navy" trade, convo if interested, though. Tsk, tsk. That's beneath you, Riethe. Smile

Bret Caliaro
Harassment Inc.
Posted - 2010.01.03 05:21:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Dretzle Omega
Originally by: Bret Caliaro
That's actually quite creative I miss the clever ones.


Leave it to Riethe. He's a scammer, but an effective one. I caught him doing a "navy" trade, convo if interested, though. Tsk, tsk. That's beneath you, Riethe. Smile


Will do, which caused some distress of a RL friend of mine who didn't understand why I prefered doing stuff the legitimate way just because it's harder (i call it a challange)

But had a funny converstation with a "navy" trade myself, I sent a simple reply saying if the offer was genuine I'd take it, he convo'd me and after a short pause he just said "Wait, I just realised your over 4 years old you know the difference..." so i laughed and talked to him for a while then wished him all the best at least he was honest with me. The worst ones are the ones who know they are busted but keep trying.

Riethe
Posted - 2010.01.03 05:29:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Bret Caliaro
But had a funny converstation with a "navy" trade myself, I sent a simple reply saying if the offer was genuine I'd take it, he convo'd me and after a short pause he just said "Wait, I just realised your over 4 years old you know the difference..." so i laughed and talked to him for a while then wished him all the best at least he was honest with me. The worst ones are the ones who know they are busted but keep trying.

Assuming your victim is able to avoid being scammed based purely on their character age is a really naive assumption to make.

"At least he was honest with me" is ridiculous. Obviously that person is in the wrong field.

That's like not shooting at a solo ratting battleship with your 5 man gang because it's not a fair fight.

Also, in the spirit of the thread: EVE Scam

Bret Caliaro
Harassment Inc.
Posted - 2010.01.03 05:49:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Bret Caliaro on 03/01/2010 05:54:18
Edited by: Bret Caliaro on 03/01/2010 05:52:08
Edited by: Bret Caliaro on 03/01/2010 05:50:40
Very true but he was a breath of fresh air to me, suppose when your scamming you have to assume everyone is a sucker until they prove you otherwise.

edit- i wouldn't go shoot rats in a 5 man gang where's the challange in that?

edit x2 - I'm drunk i re-re-read your post, true would probably ransom him though cos I'm a greedy bastard rather have isk than kill mail.

edit x3 - in fact you make a valid point, ignore the edits!

cosmoray
Perkone
Posted - 2010.01.03 06:21:00 - [49]
 

I like the Eve-scam website.

I think it is better to have a bad or good reputation than no rep.
People want to believe that people like Riethe won't steal their money AGAIN!

In the past 2 weeks I have given out loans for more than 50B ISK with 60-70B ISK in collateral.
Both times I have had the collateral contracted to me for 0 ISK BEFORE the loan was given. I asked for the contract to be set at the loan amount but they didn't.
I still paid the money for the loan.

Could have made an easy 60B, but meh!!

Bret Caliaro
Harassment Inc.
Posted - 2010.01.03 06:33:00 - [50]
 

Some people are far too trusting, some guy trusted me with all his isk and belongings before he went away for the holidays! I wouldn't trust anyone except my RL mate who's legs are within breaking distance, (just kidding it's only a game but it's a comforting thought) but glad you honored it anyway cosmoray.

Riethe
Posted - 2010.01.03 06:44:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: cosmoray
People want to believe that people like Riethe won't steal their money AGAIN!

I don't know that I agree with this. Most people I come across aren't aware of who I am. I've never gotten an investment from someone that knows who I am. Then again, I haven't really tried.

Originally by: cosmoray
In the past 2 weeks I have given out loans for more than 50B ISK with 60-70B ISK in collateral.
Both times I have had the collateral contracted to me for 0 ISK BEFORE the loan was given. I asked for the contract to be set at the loan amount but they didn't.
I still paid the money for the loan.

Could have made an easy 60B, but meh!!

I don't find this to be unusual.

You're a well respected individual, pretty rooted into the community. There's not much incentive (currently) for you to steal from anyone.

It's possible that you might have a breaking point, though. Not necessarily the amount of ISK you're capable of stealing at that moment, but the conditions in your current environment that can potentially influence you.

I believe there are certain circumstances (per individual) that can influence anyone into that sort of behavior.


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