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Geonin
Amarr
No.Mercy
Merciless.
Posted - 2009.12.09 18:52:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: ChipMo


If we're so bad & your campaign has been so successful... wheres the war dec?



You lost the war child. Let it go and pay what you owe.

DarthDeaconRage
No.Mercy
Posted - 2009.12.09 19:06:00 - [92]
 

Edited by: DarthDeaconRage on 09/12/2009 19:08:50
Edited by: DarthDeaconRage on 09/12/2009 19:08:12
Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
In all honesty, I dont believe you guys are calling this operation over. I'm seeing this as a bluff. But, lets see how the cards play out. Until then everyone should just assume SF is still full bore, ready to try to strike down the Amarr Militia in the name of another organised governmental body called the Minmatar Republic.



Even if it's a bluff, No.Mercy won the Great Matari War. Anything further would be under a different name. The Chapel has reasons to believe that this is no bluff as Jade vision of a free Matari is crumbling with Caldari protectorate's scorched space tactical campaign has rendered their operation in failure. Thus there's no reason to continue to lose ships to the empire. Our great decisive kill in Venilen (0.6) has shown that where ever you go, we will find you.


However, the ministry doesn't state that there will no future engagements,ever- but for now-with this great victory there can be peace.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.12.09 19:07:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Sinjin Mokk

I'm willing to take the high ground and give SF a week to dismantle thier POS off Kamela V Moon I.



Or what are you going to do about it little man?


The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.12.09 19:09:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Lord Ira
Many thanks to the efforts of all in Star Fraction, good luck in your future endeavours. Wink


My thanks, Lord Ira, we continue to count the brave and undefeated fighters of Tribal Core as friends and comrades in the struggle for freedom.

The Cosmopolite

The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.12.09 19:15:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: DarthDeaconRage
No.Mercy won the Great Matari War.


The very definition of Hubris.

I don't know what No.Mercy define as the 'Great Matari War' but I suspect it is a definition no one with any grasp on reality shares with them.

At any rate, I hope the rest of the Amarr militia are laughing at this claim, at least in private, for the sake of their self-respect.

Whatever may be the case with the Amarr, I have heard hoots of laughter erupting from Minmatar comms channels, sarcastic chuckles from Caldari sources and we in the Star Fraction are just smiling quietly and shaking our heads in wonder at it.

Outright laughter we reserve for the repeated attempts to extract ISK from us by buffoons who are unwilling to do a thing to make good their absurd claims.

The Cosmopolite

ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.12.09 19:52:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Geonin

You lost the war child. Let it go and pay what you owe.


Are you talking about the war with No.Mercy? We certainly did not lose the war, Star Fraction stands strong and tall. All we have done is cease direct aggression against 24th IC corps as our campaign has ended.

If you want to 'win' a war with us you should probably start by declaring one...

DarthDeaconRage
No.Mercy
Posted - 2009.12.09 21:11:00 - [97]
 

Edited by: DarthDeaconRage on 09/12/2009 21:15:34
Edited by: DarthDeaconRage on 09/12/2009 21:14:28
Edited by: DarthDeaconRage on 09/12/2009 21:11:30
Originally by: ChipMo
Originally by: Geonin

You lost the war child. Let it go and pay what you owe.


Are you talking about the war with No.Mercy? We certainly did not lose the war, Star Fraction stands strong and tall. All we have done is cease direct aggression against 24th IC corps as our campaign has ended.

If you want to 'win' a war with us you should probably start by declaring one...


In reminiscent to the Great War of Matari between SF & N.M- Star Fraction surrendered regardless of motives to No.Mercy. Thus No.Mercy won. They didn't have to start a war to finish it. SF can be having homecoming parades and moons light ball room dancing in their home systems right now, but at the end of the epoch they still failed to complete their objective and ended the war to a determined enemy.

OOC Removed. Zymurgist

ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.12.09 21:23:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: DarthDeaconRage
Edited by: DarthDeaconRage on 09/12/2009 21:15:34
Edited by: DarthDeaconRage on 09/12/2009 21:14:28
Edited by: DarthDeaconRage on 09/12/2009 21:11:30
Originally by: ChipMo
Originally by: Geonin

You lost the war child. Let it go and pay what you owe.


Are you talking about the war with No.Mercy? We certainly did not lose the war, Star Fraction stands strong and tall. All we have done is cease direct aggression against 24th IC corps as our campaign has ended.

If you want to 'win' a war with us you should probably start by declaring one...


In reminiscent to the Great War of Matari between SF & N.M- Star Fraction surrendered regardless of motives to No.Mercy. Thus No.Mercy won. They didn't have to start a war to finish it. SF can be having homecoming parades and moons light ball room dancing in their home systems right now, but at the end of the epoch they still failed to complete their objective and ended the war to a determined enemy.

OOC Removed. Zymurgist


What the heck are you jibbering on about... Star Fraction has not surrendered to No.Mercy we have just stopped our war dec. If you want us to surrender you have to be the aggressor.

I know a little of the pre-New Eden Hystory you speak of. In that sense the situations are similar yes, we are pulling out of the Control Bunker / System Capture proxy war between the Matari & Amarrians and we will proceed to tear down the nationalist puppet masters behind these proxy wars instead.


OOC removed. Zymurgist

DarthDeaconRage
No.Mercy
Posted - 2009.12.09 21:46:00 - [99]
 

* inappropriate text removed - CCP Ildoge, my entire statement was in character of pre-new eden history leading up to events of today. By editing out what I stated- what I stated makes little sense. cheers.

Nur AlHuda
Amarr
Callide Vulpis
Posted - 2009.12.10 02:01:00 - [100]
 

Robe to the left, robe the right lets do the amarrian dance.

Zanco Ceal
Ministry of War
Posted - 2009.12.10 03:13:00 - [101]
 

No matter what affect Operation Castrato would have on the Amarr militia, it would inevitably come to an end and the Amarr would simply recover and carry on.

And so put to paper how you thought the war went in your mind jade. I must say I envy you in a way. I wish all I saw was glorious victory after victory, valiant deaths and great deeds of courage.

The way you speak of your campaign against the crusaders would lead the average capsular pilot to wonder why there is still Amarr territory with Amarr ships patrolling it.

The fact is, Star Fraction fought with everything it had for a little over a year and that is indeed commendable, but the crusade continues regardless of your efforts.

Sahriah BloodStone
Caldari
Black Skull Squadron
Posted - 2009.12.10 11:57:00 - [102]
 

I do love how you spin things Jade.

You commend Star Faction for working with TLF. You have commended in the past all the allies who worked with you in defence of Matari worlds, yet you condemn the allies of your enemies. I remember a time when you told me 'If only the Amarr and caldari worked together' and you condemned us for not being able to. Oh yes i remember that conversation well. Maybe you should think before you speak next time.

Allies work together. I know the Matari find that hard to believe considering the Federations...shortcomings. Regardless of what you say, however you elaboratly spin things. You are moving on because you have lost hope in the last pathetic line of defence. The satisfying thing is that we all know this. You have the ability to walk away, and in doing so condemn so many more lives that you may have been able to save, but i suppose saving the last remnants of your pride is more important.

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2009.12.10 12:42:00 - [103]
 

I haven't been here for a while and I see that the corruption in Concord that allowed the State to win the Amarr's war for them has led to the Star Fraction withdrawing from the conflict in disgust, and I suspect that that disgust is less towards the State fighters than towards Concord itself.

I am deeply impressed by the Fraction's voluntary admission that the operation Castrato was a failure. It takes a strong character to do so. I am NOT impressed by the typical verbal cowardice displayed by various Amarrians here. Your total inability to admit even the slightest failing and the debacle over Garst Tyrell's egocentric cowardice only serves to underline that point.

Even if the Amarrians were to somehow win the war, stop all Minmatar militia activity and kill us all, they would would still not have and would never get our souls. However this will almost certainly not happen because as soon as the State leaves, and leave they will, because trouble is brewing for them on their home front at this moment, then the Amarr will once again revert to their typical behaviour of making claims on these boards that are not supported by their actions in space.

In closing, I'll say this: Personally, I've lost interest in posting here in the IGS. It's always the same drivel full of spite and malice, like a media player permanently stuck in replay mode, where little boys try to impress their equally uncertain peers by engaging in competition to see who can shout the loudest in order to drown out their own doubts and fears. I have great respect for individual Amarrian pilots and there are certainly those amongst them who are men and women of honour, but I have no respect for lying, tyrannical egomaniacs like Garst Tyrell and his kin and if there were an Amarrian God, their souls would burn in hell for that which they have become.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.12.10 17:34:00 - [104]
 


Originally by: Merdaneth
... the alliance often called 'Star ***gots' on internal channels.
As for the amount of 'fiscal damage' inflicted, SF inflicted no more than a pittance.


Well the publicly-accessible records of the conflict show that we inflicted damage exceeding the raw material build cost of two entire Titan class supercapital ships. Certainly the impact on our targets led to broad incidence of fleeing and running for cover in hisec, wardec evasion, and even decent into piracy and ransoming of neutral industrial corps to keep their heads above water.

Still I wouldn't expect a pilot who flies only interceptors in the main and avoids any significant risk in the fighting to understand what is meant by "fiscal damage" in any real terms.

Merdaneth
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.10 18:33:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Well the publicly-accessible records of the conflict show that we inflicted damage exceeding the raw material build cost of two entire Titan class supercapital ships.


Your publicly accessible records show approximately 100 billion isk in damage inflicted for your *entire alliance*.

The Amarr Militia publicly accessible records show approximately 150 billion isk in damage inflicted by just pilot Veshta Yoshida of PIE.

Star Fraction alliance = 100 billion
One PIE pilot = 150 billion

Besides inflicting 'fiscal damage' sister Yoshida was also very active with capturing and defending plexes, unlike your alliance.

If you think Star Fraction made a significant impact, you must be in complete awe of the role that PIE is playing in this war.

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Still I wouldn't expect a pilot who flies only interceptors in the main and avoids any significant risk in the fighting to understand what is meant by "fiscal damage" in any real terms.


I do my best to keep my records private. A rough estimation of the 'fiscal damage' inflicted by my interceptor in this conflict is 75 billion isk. Star Fraction 100 billion, Merdaneth 75 billion. I guess my preference for flying alone has hurt me in the fiscal damage race quite a bit.

Your operation has failed. It failed on the strategic level, and it failed in the numbers games you like to play.

Fortunately for you, the number are largely meaningless in the strategic picture.

DarthDeaconRage
No.Mercy
Posted - 2009.12.10 20:49:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Merdaneth
...entire post above


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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.12.10 21:04:00 - [107]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 10/12/2009 21:04:54

Originally by: Merdaneth

... the alliance often called 'Star ***gots' on internal channels.
The Amarr Militia publicly accessible records show approximately 150 billion isk in damage inflicted by just pilot Veshta Yoshida of PIE.


Obviously since the majority of her kills have occured in vast fleets for which her only "participation" has been playing ew beams over doomed targets actually destroyed by other pilots it is only fair to assess her "accomplishments" downwards by a factor of a hundred or more.

Not that I would expect a liar like yourself to understand such things. Keep flapping your gums Amarrian dog. Your words gain sympathy from cowards and poltroons alone.


Seeva Khuraeisan
Posted - 2009.12.10 22:05:00 - [108]
 

So... this means you're going to go away and stop posting soon, right? Since, you know... you don't need to anymore?

Dallenn
Minmatar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.12.10 23:32:00 - [109]
 

Edited by: Dallenn on 10/12/2009 23:32:08
Originally by: Seeva Khuraeisan
So... this means you're going to go away and stop posting soon, right? Since, you know... you don't need to anymore?


Suffice to say we intend to live up to our claims and reputation in the future as well.


Merdaneth
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.11 00:07:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine

Obviously since the majority of her kills have occured in vast fleets for which her only "participation" has been playing ew beams over doomed targets actually destroyed by other pilots it is only fair to assess her "accomplishments" downwards by a factor of a hundred or more.


I do believe sister Yoshida's willingness to fight alone against multiple hostiles and overwhelming odds is quite well known. Her reputation is without question, even among the TLF pilots that know her.

However, for the sake of numbers:

Pilot Yoshida: 340 registered solo kills during this war.
Jade Constantine: 33 solo kills during her *entire career* (and with that she ranks 8th in her corp!).

Fortunately for you these numbers are meaningless. A war isn't won or lost by the number of solo kills and I certainly would not hold the paltry 33 career kills against you.

Fridarey
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.12.11 00:16:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Merdaneth
Originally by: Jade Constantine

Obviously since the majority of her kills have occured in vast fleets for which her only "participation" has been playing ew beams over doomed targets actually destroyed by other pilots it is only fair to assess her "accomplishments" downwards by a factor of a hundred or more.


I do believe sister Yoshida's willingness to fight alone against multiple hostiles and overwhelming odds is quite well known. Her reputation is without question, even among the TLF pilots that know her.



Course you didn't address the point made. Yoshida flies interceptors against tech1 frigates and generally is only a tiny part of kills made. As usual you are lying.


Snakester
Caldari
IronPig
Sev3rance
Posted - 2009.12.11 00:36:00 - [112]
 

What theyre gonna do is re-bang there head against either catch or providence again, then in maybe a year expect another long winded post about how they have won, inflicted so much isk damage, killed so many ships etc etc, whilst providence and catch remain untouched and will carry on as usual.

You see, jade bangs on about all space should be free to everyone, but then hates it when ppl have actually acheived this. * OOC text removed - CCP Ildoge.

Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.12.11 00:42:00 - [113]
 

Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 11/12/2009 00:41:51
Originally by: Fridarey


Course you didn't address the point made. Yoshida flies interceptors against tech1 frigates and generally is only a tiny part of kills made. As usual you are lying.




I do suggest you look up the publicly available records of kills before making such absurd statements, lest someone think you either are incapable of reading a killboard or that you are simply making things up.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.12.11 01:05:00 - [114]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 11/12/2009 02:14:46

Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri

I do suggest you look up the publicly available records of kills before making such absurd statements, lest someone think you either are incapable of reading a killboard or that you are simply making things up.


Nobody outside of your circle cares to listen to your lies anymore Gaven. I know its hard for you to hear but PIE Inc. has lost any reputation it once had, squandered on cheating and deceit and becoming apologists for the lowest order of pilot imaginable.

Veshta like other members of PIE is a coward well versed in cowardice. Very good at scoring "touches" with EW systems to register on Amarrian killboard data but counted as solo killing billions of isk worth of vessels? No.

So take your empty K/D ratio posturing to some other thread where they care about such things. Or better yet simply join up with No.Mercy - you match their recruiting standards precisely.

Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
Fates Assembly
The Final Stand.
Posted - 2009.12.11 01:15:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Merdaneth
you must be in complete awe of the role that PIE is playing in this war.



You are a stain on the honor of the Golden Fleet, but in general I have been impressed with the role PIE has played in that part of the conflict. PIE is focused on system strategic points.

Invelious
Amarr
Adamant Edge
Posted - 2009.12.11 01:42:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 11/12/2009 00:41:51
Originally by: Fridarey


Course you didn't address the point made. Yoshida flies interceptors against tech1 frigates and generally is only a tiny part of kills made. As usual you are lying.




I do suggest you look up the publicly available records of kills before making such absurd statements, lest someone think you either are incapable of reading a killboard or that you are simply making things up.


Actually, looking at the killboard will present factual evidence to the to them, and SF doesnt speak in facts. Just wont work brother.

Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.12.11 04:46:00 - [117]
 

Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 11/12/2009 04:49:07
Originally by: Jade Constantine

Very good at scoring "touches" with EW systems to register on Amarrian killboard data



Interesting, considering that Captain Yoshida's most used ships according to publicly available material are the Zealot and the Harbinger.

I did not know that either ship was well known for its capability at EW.

It... is not especially wise to outright lie and then accuse the other person of being a liar in the same breath. Just a pointer for you.

theRaptor
Caldari
Tactical Operations
Posted - 2009.12.11 05:03:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
It... is not especially wise to outright lie and then accuse the other person of being a liar in the same breath. Just a pointer for you.


Haven't you heard the maxim that it is better to tell big lies Admiral? And to accuse the accuser?

Given the behaviour of some pilots one would think that the viewing public's perception of events as garnered from reading IGS was of significance in achieving victory.

Arakidias
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.11 05:38:00 - [119]
 

Edited by: Arakidias on 11/12/2009 05:44:26
Edited by: Arakidias on 11/12/2009 05:39:30
Edited by: Arakidias on 11/12/2009 05:38:23
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 11/12/2009 02:14:46

Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri

I do suggest you look up the publicly available records of kills before making such absurd statements, lest someone think you either are incapable of reading a killboard or that you are simply making things up.


Nobody outside of your circle cares to listen to your lies anymore Gaven. I know its hard for you to hear but PIE Inc. has lost any reputation it once had, squandered on cheating and deceit and becoming apologists for the lowest order of pilot imaginable.

Veshta like other members of PIE is a coward well versed in cowardice. Very good at scoring "touches" with EW systems to register on Amarrian killboard data but counted as solo killing billions of isk worth of vessels? No.

So take your empty K/D ratio posturing to some other thread where they care about such things. Or better yet simply join up with No.Mercy - you match their recruiting standards precisely.



So let's take a look at some facts..

Veshta Yoshida has a lifetime inflicted damage of 18.7 million and over 3000 kills. That averages around 6000 damage per kill, or your average cruiser. Independent source. This has been in a setting where t1 frigates and destroyers are one of the most prevalent opposing ships. In fact frigate and cruiser hulls make up 2/3 of her kills (this excludes HAC's and other heavily tanked ships btw.)

Ms. Constantine, however, has a lifetime inflicted damage of 2.5 million and around 1000 kills, which averages around 2500 damage per kill. The usual damage inflicted in a rifter kill. Independent source. Ms Constantine has been invloved with 100 carrier kills, 274 Battleship kills and 177 Battlecruiser kills, these shiptypes make up more than half of her kills.

Veshta Yoshida has achieved this in 3 years, where as Jade has taken 5 to reach her score.

As to who is touching who with EW and scoring worthless t1 frigate kills, well, I'll leave it up to the reader to decide

Math'ra Hiede
Amarr
Trinity's Vanguard
Posted - 2009.12.11 06:34:00 - [120]
 

I have observed the Fractionists in action for years now, I was around when they attempted to influence the Caldari/Gallente conflict and ultimately pulled out to find the supposed softer target of the Amarr Empire.

You call yourself Fractionists, you say that you would prefer space to be free for all and unbound by the form and structure of government, yet you may as well be Matari loyalists now-days, I haven't seen you do anything other than defend this race of misguided fools for a long time now.

I am tempted to say I am pleased to see The Fraction pull out, but honestly I can't muster anything but disdain for a group that tries so hard, and fails from the top down.

I have met Fractionists who truly did know how to beat the living pulp out of pilots, and I have seen them suceed, if only rarely.
Yet Constantine, your continued drivel and over-the-top spiels do nothing but ignire resentment from entire races, you stand and proclaim yourself above us Constantine, I say nay - you are simply one of us with such an over inflated opinion of yourself that it leaks out into space and erodes at your organisations effectiveness, I don't doubt that if there was at least someone with gusto and fire and the arm to match that your Fractionists would become something other than laughable.

Fly well Fractionists, may you find gods divine forgiveness and redemption in whatever paths your seek.


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