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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.12.08 18:33:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Grim Asse

I may be an agent, but my posts contain the truth whereas yours don't.


So you claim, but since you are lying about your indentity already by posting with a false identity why should anyone believe you won't lie about anything else?

Garst Tyrell
No.Mercy
Merciless.
Posted - 2009.12.08 18:40:00 - [32]
 

No.Mercy is the most irrelevant corp to Jade that requires no less than multiple new threads a week about it to remind us of our irrelevance (Aye Jade, this thread is about your strategic failures but since you are busy trying to transparently goad us into paying your wardec bills and my name was mentioned in the OP we'll 'pretend' its about us too).

'Fortress Kamela' is a great vacation spot, on your left you will see Space and Freedom 2 where fractioneers spin their ships after their roams end in dismal failure.

/Posting in a Jade thread.

Merdaneth
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.08 18:41:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Merdaneth on 08/12/2009 18:53:41
Just over one year ago Star Fraction entered the conflict between the Amarrian Imperial 24th Crusade and the Free Matari of the Tribal Liberation Force. They claimed that they would judge their progress on 'normal and accepted means', specifically stating 'the occupation status of systems' and 'accumulated battle statistics'. Source

During this conflict Star Fraction fought hard, and Star Fraction fought dirty.

After a brief residence in a high-sec base they operated out of Arzad, but soon moved their base to Kamela. Both of these stations are owned and managed by the 24th Imperial Crusade. I would claim that for an outspoken anti-Amarrian alliance to base out of a hostile station is completely honorless and a clear abuse of the Amarr Empire's lenient policy on docking rights. Nobody spoke out against this, such malodorous tactics are par for the course when one fights Star Fraction.

During their residence in Kamela standard SF fleet tactics consisted of operating out of station hugging remote repping carriers, a completely risk-averse stratagem. Their active pilots constrained themselves largely to the Kamela system, where a Titan and a Fleet Command ships could give their ships significant advantages which they were leery to go without. They would also use their Titan to jump-bridge large fleets on top of small nearby skirmishes between TLF and 24th Crusade pilots, again only engaging with overwhelming firepower, another risk-averse tactic. If they ventured out of Kamela at all with convention means, they flew in large fleets and frequently employed 'neutral' scouts providing them with intelligence from behind the shield of Concord. There were Star Fraction pilots that did operate outside of Kamela without significant support, these often employed fast ships capable of easily disengaging, and indeed the Star Fraction killboard shows the Vagabond and Crow as the signature SF ships. Source

The favorite SF strategy was selectively declaring war on some 24th Crusade corporations, and then trying to pick them off between regular fleets, with the other 24th Crusade corporations often unable to assist due to Sentry Guns and Concord criminal penalties. Divide and conquer indeed. In short, The Star Fraction fought to win, and freely employed all kinds of tactics generally considered 'dishonorable'.

Today Star Fraction claims to have failed their objective, but still to have contributed significantly to this war. I agree on both accounts. When explaining how they contributed, ms. Constantine claims they did so by 'taking corporate scalps' and 'inflicting vast fiscal damage'. I disagree on both accounts.

Of all corporations Star Fraction claims to have 'taken a scalp' from only Pimbeka Mining holds some truth. The demise or transfer of the other corporations were caused by other things, none of them related to SF pressure. As for the amount of 'fiscal damage' inflicted, SF inflicted no more than a pittance. My esteemed fellow Praetorian sister Yoshida has claimed more enemy ships by herself during this period than the whole 100+ member SF alliance did. If one Praetorian's combat record can exceed that of a whole alliance, any claims of 'vast' tend to pale.

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Aphoxakhan
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2009.12.08 18:41:00 - [34]
 

I somehow can't see Operation Castrato a failure, the operational goals just didn't have predictions of betrayal from the Republic Fleet. Great and intentional changes were made, however and the name Star Fraction is no less forgettable today than it ever was.

Merdaneth
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.08 18:48:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Merdaneth on 08/12/2009 21:25:37

With regards to their 'Fortress Kamela' and their supposed dominance we can be brief. Not once during the Star Fraction period of residence was the Kamela system under serious threat of being captured by TLF forces. If the Star Fraction was so capable in supressing the 24th Crusade in Kamela, why was the TLF unable to take advantage of this space superiority?

I do believe this is largely because Star Fraction pilots were passing most of their time docked, spending their considerable fortunes on pampering themselves, having the Imperial Crusade station slaves serving them drinks and otherwise making them comfortable. Additionally, Carriers at the undock port do little to aid in capturing systems. Simply said, the Star Fraction was not interested in aiding the TLF in occupying Kamela, despite the original claims made at the start of 'Operation Castrato'.

After a brief period of initial interest Star Fraction vessels avoided Amarr and Matari installations like the plague. If there were no kills to be had, Star Fraction vessels simply didn't bother to undock. Running patrols or providing cover to their so-called Matari allies was of little interest to most of them.When the front shifted to the Matari systems, Star Fraction simply remained complacent in their Kamela base rather than moving their forces to the systems under threat. Meanwhile many loyalist corporations set up forward bases in Heimatar and Metropolis, bringing the fight to the enemy.

At this point you might wonder how did Star Fraction contribute significantly to this war then? Let me tell you. As you might know, the Amarr militia was a mix of devout warriors, thugs, unprincipled killers and rookie pilots right out of pod school. In fact, it somewhat resembled an anarchy, with no central authority, no shared principles or rules of engagment. However, after nearly six months of unrest, which frequently erupted in internal war declarations, the internal militia politics stabilized noticably.

Why you ask? I believe it was because Star Fraction had entered the war, and the differences between the Crusade corporations were eclipsed by one thing, one thing they all shared: their utter loathing for the alliance often called 'Star ********' on internal channels.

The rotating Star Fraction war decs and SF in-space tactics galvanized the 24th Crusade corporations. In the Star Fraction they found a justifiable outlet for all their frustation and anger they suffered during the war. Where once there was anarchy, Star Fraction had created a zone of stability. Star Fraction leadership excells in aggravating their enemies, both through in-space tactics and propaganda.

This is why the attack on the Kamela POS was able to raise so many Crusade pilots and have many of them sacrifice several points of security rating in the attack. The opportunity to humiliate the haughty, arrogant, honorless and risk-averse Star Fraction was one they could not refuse. Star Fraction united the Amarr Militia and thereby made their single greatest contribution to the Amarr cause.

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Merdaneth
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.08 18:53:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Merdaneth on 08/12/2009 21:36:36

The second contribution Star Fraction made to the war was propping up the morale of the TLF warriors. They assisted the TLF by intervening at critical junctures and supportinging select TLF pilots with replacement ships and war material. In return militia patrols relayed intelligence to Star Fraction and created opportunities for Star Fraction strike fleets to intervene in battles between the sides and turn the tables on the 24th Crusade forces.

However, rather than supporting them in fighting for occupancy, Star Fraction instead attempted to convince the TLF warriors that true honor and glory could be achieved by large fleet engagements against the Amarr Militia. Ever so subtly the Star Fraction leadership seduced many Matari Freedom Fighters to move away from the true frontlines on the war and be drawn them into inconsequential battles over ship hulls and killboard ratings.

Eventually their close cooperation went as far as having some Star Fraction pilots actually becoming TLF militia members and their mutually dependent relation was reinforced further. This dependent relationship fostered by the Star Fraction leadership and isa primary cause of the fail-cascade we can see now. As we see some well-known TLF warriors and close allies to SF give up the fight, they immediately bring down the Star Fraction with them.

So, Star Fraction indeed made a name for themselves in this conflict. No 24th Crusade or TLF corporation that has fought in the war past year will not know who they are. However, their strategy strengthened the Amarr Militia while it weakened the TLF. That is the legacy of the Star Fraction in this conflict. Perhaps today they made their single greatest contribution to the cause of 'freedom and anarchy' by exiting the conflict.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.12.08 18:57:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Merdaneth
... the alliance often called 'Star ***gots' on internal channels.


Ladies and Gentleman I give you PIE Inc.

Merdaneth
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.08 19:02:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Merdaneth
... the alliance often called 'Star ***gots' on internal channels.


Ladies and Gentleman I give you PIE Inc.



Ms. Constantine, I can personally say never to have seen any PIE members use such language with regards to the Fraction. However, PIE has no influence over the internal miltia channel, as you well know, and it was this channel I was talking about.

By selectively quoting this and trying to make it appear as if PIE members were acting this way is indeed yet another way why Star Fraction is so lowly regarded by its enemies.

Also, the Star Fraction is lowly regarded by its enemies because you invariably resort to personal attacks or irrelevant diatribes rather than actually countering the arguments laid before you. As you did just now.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.12.08 19:06:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 08/12/2009 19:06:16

Originally by: Merdaneth

... the alliance often called 'Star ***gots' on internal channels.

Also, the Star Fraction is lowly regarded by its enemies because you invariably resort to personal attacks or irrelevant diatribes rather than actually countering the arguments laid before you. As you did just now.


I don't recognize you have laid any "arguments" before anyone. And I am telling you that your entire screed was rendered null by the inclusion of a mindless slur repeated by idiots and wastrels without class or name. That you thought to repeat such on this forum simply convinces me you are a suitable dog of that company.

The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.12.08 19:07:00 - [40]
 

It was unnecessary to your argument, such as it was, to repeat the slur, and yet you did anyway and with not the slightest tincture of condemnation.

There is no need for me to say what I think of that and no need for me to say what anyone else should think of it. People, I am quite sure, can make their own minds up.

The Cosmopolite



Merdaneth
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.08 19:14:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Merdaneth on 08/12/2009 19:14:19
Originally by: Jade Constantine

I don't recognize you have laid any "arguments" before anyone. And I am telling you that your entire screed was rendered null by the inclusion of a mindless slur repeated by idiots and wastrels without class or name. That you thought to repeat such on this forum simply convinces me you are a suitable dog of that company.



Your classification of me as some kind of canine breed was already stated by you a long time ago, and I doubt me repeating these words from the militia channel has only now convinced you.

Also, I find it highly odd that you of all people would find the inclusion of a slur in an argument would make arguing null and void. It is after all, one of your own specialities.

A slur as it might be, it is highly illustrative for the intensity with which the Star Fraction tends to make enemies. You can take pride in the loathing felt for your alliance by its enemies, or regret it. That is entirely up to you.


Cadirro
DAEDALUS X
The Final Stand.
Posted - 2009.12.08 19:14:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: The Cosmopolite


People, I am quite sure, can make their own minds up.

The Cosmopolite





And these minds might be influenced by the behavior of your fellow militia members, Merdaneth, if you like it or not.
How honorable PIE Inc. might be or not be, it doesn't really matter, as the rest of this organization sadly casts a dark shadow on your golden hulls.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.12.08 19:16:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 08/12/2009 19:19:58

Originally by: Merdaneth

... the alliance often called 'Star ***gots' on internal channels.

A slur as it might be, it is highly illustrative for the intensity with which the Star Fraction tends to make enemies.


No. it is illustrative of your low character and poor choice of associates. Of your lack of ethics and honour, of your own essentially hateful nature and of the corrupted and degraded nature of PIE Inc. Itself. We have lost a campaign.

You have lost yourselves.

Merdaneth
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.08 19:20:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Cadirro
And these minds might be influenced by the behavior of your fellow militia members, Merdaneth, if you like it or not.
How honorable PIE Inc. might be or not be, it doesn't really matter, as the rest of this organization sadly casts a dark shadow on your golden hulls.


I agree, it has. We have silently suffered, but such is our duty, It is a sacrifice we are willing to make for the Empire, even though it has been hard.

The entrance of the Star Fraction into the warzone has done much to curb the excesses and sin within the Amarr Militia. Where piracy used to be fairly frequent among Amarr Militia corps, it was reduced to nearly non-existent levels some time after the Star Fraction campaign began.

Where as frequent tensions existed between some Amarr Militia corps and the CVA, the start of the Star Fraction campaign polarized the issue. It is difficult to be both a constant enemy of the Star Fraction and of CVA, seeing as both organizations are so diametrically opposed.

On the other hand, the Star Fraction was a great motivator for having TLF pirate sorties into Providence, further reinforcing the united front of the loyalists against the TLF and the Fraction.

Arakidias
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.08 19:41:00 - [45]
 

Excellent report from the other side there Merdaneth.

The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.12.08 19:54:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Merdaneth
Where piracy used to be fairly frequent among Amarr Militia corps, it was reduced to nearly non-existent levels some time after the Star Fraction campaign began.



Indeed! I suppose your measure of this is that an individual latterly condemned as a pirate by Amarrian loyalists won last year's Amarrian Capsuleer of the Year Award, while this year an individual who clearly carried out piratical and racketeering actions was kept off the shortlist following a successful campaign by the Star Fraction exposing his activities? Or is there some other measure to your fantasy claim that the Amarr militia is free of piratical thugs and gangsters?

What for instance, do you make of Amarr militia pilots warning pirates of the approach of Star Fraction vessels? Tell me, would that be support for piracy or is it really the case now that anything that discomfits the Star Fraction is ipso facto a good thing no matter what it may be?

As Jade says, this campaign is all that we have lost. You and your ilk? You have lost far more and I fancy that in the quiet dark of the night some of you know it all too well.

The Cosmopolite

Grim Asse
Posted - 2009.12.08 20:25:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Grim Asse

I may be an agent, but my posts contain the truth whereas yours don't.


So you claim, but since you are lying about your indentity already by posting with a false identity why should anyone believe you won't lie about anything else?



Simply because people can do their own research - I don't expect anyone to believe me just like that - but it's easily possible for everyone do their own research on the corporations you claim to have "obliterated", "destroyed" or "scalped" by linking the corporations names and checking combat records - your own are fairly accurate.

And people will see that all of the corps you mentioned except for two (one merged with No Mercy and one disbanded) are doing just fine with a strong memberbase and usually a positive efficiency against you.

I find it particulary funny how you claim to have "obliterated" AB-C(-) whilst you have spent billions of isk to keep them wardecced for months, whereas they did fairly well against your years old alliance four times their size despite having been a rather young corporation when the war started and them currently holding a 94% efficiency against you.

Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.12.08 20:38:00 - [48]
 


A very accurate and insightful summary by Commander Merdaneth. While I wouldn't have added the quote about their nickname among other militia corps I have to agree with everything else.

Star Fraction did serve as a rallying point due to their unethical activities and outrageously false propoganda campaigns. The antics of hugging stations, using neutrals to scout and exploiting a flawed concord system to cherry pick targets in the middle of militia fleets brought them few fans.

Merdaneth is right... The anarchists were great allies to the imperial cause and now only in leaving the field do they actually help the Minmatar.

Archbishop

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2009.12.08 20:39:00 - [49]
 

Cheers, Jade.

Was fun while it lasted.

Else

Riso Makaan
Posted - 2009.12.08 20:58:00 - [50]
 

this message has rather made my day.

I'm not going to go over what has been said, except to quietly point out the capital ship losses sustained during the Battle for Kamela on the side of SF - that they had the money to replace them immediately is not the issue.

However, this seems to me as one thnig alone - this is Star Fraction packing up and getting the hell out of the warzone before the front collapses entirely, because when all the warzone's systems are on God's hands, they know that whe whole 24th Imperial Crusade will turn their guns on them, exacting revenge at last for all the interference. Not even SF can stand against that, not for one second.

Mazca Lopez
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.12.08 21:06:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Mazca Lopez on 08/12/2009 21:06:19
Originally by: Riso Makaan
they know that whe whole 24th Imperial Crusade will turn their guns on them, exacting revenge at last for all the interference. Not even SF can stand against that, not for one second.


If only.

Bashiri
No.Mercy
Merciless.
Posted - 2009.12.08 21:18:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Garst Tyrell
No.Mercy is the most irrelevant corp to Jade that requires no less than multiple new threads a week about it to remind us of our irrelevance (Aye Jade, this thread is about your strategic failures but since you are busy trying to transparently goad us into paying your wardec bills and my name was mentioned in the OP we'll 'pretend' its about us too).

'Fortress Kamela' is a great vacation spot, on your left you will see Space and Freedom 2 where fractioneers spin their ships after their roams end in dismal failure.

/Posting in a Jade thread.


Bump this quote

Swatyy
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2009.12.08 21:27:00 - [53]
 

As a pilot that seeks glory through combat, I will miss the Star Fraction. They are among the few worthwhile adversaries Iíve encountered, true lions among the Minmatar rabble.

O7

xDIAx - Swatyy

The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.12.08 21:31:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Riso Makaan
Not even SF can stand against that, not for one second.


If the corrupt CONCORD system had allowed the Star Fraction to declare war against the entire Imperial 24th Crusade we would have done so from day one of our intervention in the conflict and relished the challenge. If such a possibility had been open to us then you would indeed have seen how long we would have stood against the crusaders.

The Cosmopolite



Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.12.08 21:38:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Originally by: Riso Makaan
Not even SF can stand against that, not for one second.


If the corrupt CONCORD system had allowed the Star Fraction to declare war against the entire Imperial 24th Crusade we would have done so from day one of our intervention in the conflict and relished the challenge. If such a possibility had been open to us then you would indeed have seen how long we would have stood against the crusaders.

The Cosmopolite



Those capable of honest self-assessment in the 24th Crusade (not many I'd grant) acknowledge that only the protection of the concord war-registration act preserved the Amarrians from complete obliteration at the hands of the Star Fraction and other Matari-alligned forces at various stages during this campaign.

We destroyed enough 24th Crusade fleets as it was. Star Fraction has no fear of numerical disadvantage as our deployments on many occassions demonstrated quite ably.

Geonin
Amarr
No.Mercy
Merciless.
Posted - 2009.12.08 21:44:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Originally by: Riso Makaan
Not even SF can stand against that, not for one second.


If the corrupt CONCORD system had allowed the Star Fraction to declare war against the entire Imperial 24th Crusade we would have done so from day one of our intervention in the conflict and relished the challenge. If such a possibility had been open to us then you would indeed have seen how long we would have stood against the crusaders.

The Cosmopolite




It's called join the militia.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.12.08 21:54:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Geonin
It's called join the militia.


Learn a little political theory before displaying your ignorance you regressive tape worm.


The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.12.08 21:55:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 08/12/2009 21:56:09

Joining militias without being truly loyal to the governments running those militias might be for some but it is not for the Star Fraction. We refuse to compromise our principles by signing on in the service of any empire. We rather believe that alliances, of all political persuasions, should be able to fight against militias extolling principles they oppose.

CONCORD's absolute bar on alliances lending their strength against factional militias is a corrupt and restrictive measure protecting the militias from justifiable wholesale war declarations. More than anything it indicates, as that doughty Ushra'Khan warchief Karn Mithralia so clearly saw, that the whole aim of CONCORD and the empires has been to undermine capsuleer independence and yoke pilots to their statist and imperial designs.

The Cosmopolite

The Yzzerman
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2009.12.08 21:57:00 - [59]
 

Respect to you pilots in sf...

Hail Hoffa...

SuiJuris
No.Mercy
Posted - 2009.12.08 22:46:00 - [60]
 

Oh Look, Fail Faction finally gave up. Good. I take it your off to some other corner of the Galaxy to Fail in?

Other people seem to be taking this opportunity to talk about you guys as worthy opponents, What I saw from SF was people who like to dock camp with capitals, or try and hide amongst TLF fleets in stealth bombers, I saw cowards, Trying to use the Minmatar as Meat Shields and still managing to Fail on a Grand Scale.

I hope whoever you try to "help" next realizes how much of a asset you guys are...



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