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Kiri Serrensun
Posted - 2009.12.10 12:24:00 - [331]
 

Something that gets missed in the "just make some friends and move in" school of thought is how much the requirements for 0.0 entry have gone up since a lot of the modern big names moved there. You needed dreadnoughts. You needed enough people to have a round-the-clock presence to avoid alarm clock ops. You needed Titans to make battleship fleets go away with a double-doomsday.

Who was the last non-pet alliance to have a go in 0.0 without Titans? BRUCE? How did that work out for them? Laughing

Ryoji Tanakama
Caldari
Indicium Technologies
Hephaestus Forge Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.10 12:33:00 - [332]
 

Originally by: Jonathan Malcom
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Daemonspirit
"CCP" can't move people to 0.0. They *might* be able to make it financially viable, as a career choice, but I don't think nerfing lvl 4's is going to do it.
Nerfing L4s won't do that, no, but nor would that really be the reason for nerfing them.

The fundamental idea is that 0.0 should draw people in by offering really nice rewards for living there, but at the moment, the things you can do that beats L4s for (personal) income are very limited in how many they can support at once, and they quickly run out. What's left for everyone else (even with the new system upgrades) is stuff that's, at best, on par with L4s, except you're doing it in space where the whole ISK grinding activity is very easily disrupted…

…so why do it there? If you only get the same income as L4s, why not do L4s instead, only in safe space? Thus we get all the MR alts grinding away to provide ISK for the PvP mains. The obvious solution would be to increase the 0.0 personal income sources so much that these people would move their ISK-grinding alts out to nullsec, but that would also mean that you'd have to have some pretty insane ISK fountains out there, which might not be such a good thing for the economy.

Thus we come to the L4-nerf solution: don't ruin the economy by injecting bazillions of extra ISK
only to get people to move their MR-alts to where the money is; instead, inject the same amount of ISK by reducing how much highsec gives and only slightly increasing what nullsec provides.

No, the highsec dwellers won't move in either scenario, but the nullsec dwellers might, and that's a good start… But at the same time, "a good start" isn't really lofty enough a goal to ruin the economy over, so a combined nerf+buff to create the same kind of income disparity between the two areas is the only reasonable way to go.


This. This exactly.

I'm surprised that it took seven pages to get a post from someone who actually understands the issue.

The argument to nerf L4s is not about moving carebears into 0.0. It's about making 0.0 the most profitable place to be without completely flooding the economy with ISK.

If you lack the resources/skills/testicular fortitude to move to 0.0, nothing CCP is going to do will change that. But for those that do, it should at the very least be far more rewarding (both in terms of actual profit and interesting gameplay) than carebearing in hi-sec.

And in case you're wondering, this is coming from a (more or less) hi-sec carebear.


Not this at all.

Why can't you grasp that if you nerf level 4s, people will still grind high sec level 4s.

Move level 4s to lowsec and people will grind high sec level 3s.

This is not about where the highest profit in the game is available, but where the highest SAFE profit in the game is available. That is ALWAYS going to be in highsec unless you simply remove all methods of generating ISK or there is a fuundamental shift in the games PVP philosophy.

Even if 0.0 becomes potentially the most profitable part of space, most of the playerbase are still going to make most of their money in high sec. High sec will still be for all intents and purposes the more profitable than nullsec.

Gun Gal
Posted - 2009.12.10 12:58:00 - [333]
 

Originally by: Tigobitty
Originally by: Gun Gal


you guys still dont frikin get it.

its you that has to change, band together to move to 0.0 not those allready their.

you have played too much WoW type games and your philosophy is all screwed up. you guys have to grow a pair, thats all there is to it.

and frankly, some of eves biggest carebears live in 0.0. just look at the north



Rolling Eyes
yeah whatever. As long as I am enjoying my game, I could care less if you think I "have to change"

Move L4 missions to lowsec? go for it.. I can do other things.

Sure, there are carebears in 0.0, but that doesn't mean that all of them must want to live there.

We have people who PvP in highsec, but you don't see us *****ing that the lowsec folks need to suck it up and come pvp in Empire.

Take a somewhat related lesson from Lake Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg. We fish in Highsec, You fish in Nulsec, and occasionally we meet in the middle.

Another lesson would be this... You catch more bees with honey than a small squad of sledge hammers. It's pretty logical, really..

IF I go somewhere and get killed for no reason other than I am there, THEN I will not go there.

IF I go somewhere and find an alliance that I feel comfortable with, THEN I might stay there and help defend it against Established Enemies.

As far as "growing a pair", I have no need of testicular enhancement.. I am smart enough to play where and how I want to. Perhaps you could use a bit of enhancement somewhere to find ways other than whining to attempt to improve your game experience.




excellent reply, sir, you have personified the pacifistic playstyle.

and a quick FYI, i have a few accounts, carebear with the best of them in highsec, pvp in nullsec

therefore, neeledd to say , i have a great game experience, except when listening to the likes of you guys, you wowkiddies, boo-hooing that life isnt fair enough for you.

when the world eventually ends youll be the ones to die first

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.12.10 13:03:00 - [334]
 

Say, can one of the super duper cool and hardcore anticarebear PVPers answer me the following question?

Why is it that a PVPer that kills indiscriminately and simply for the LULZ in Eve shouldn't be considered a real life psychopath but...

It seems to be OK to call a carebear that avoids lo sec and 0.0 a real-life coward and lacking balls?

You can't have it both ways. Either it is OK to attribute real life personality traits based on gaming habits or it is not. So, I'll let the hardcore anticarebear a-holes think about this one and choose wisely.


Chloe Ordimus
Posted - 2009.12.10 13:09:00 - [335]
 

Originally by: Ryoji Tanakama
Originally by: Jonathan Malcom
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Daemonspirit
"CCP" can't move people to 0.0. They *might* be able to make it financially viable, as a career choice, but I don't think nerfing lvl 4's is going to do it.
Nerfing L4s won't do that, no, but nor would that really be the reason for nerfing them.

The fundamental idea is that 0.0 should draw people in by offering really nice rewards for living there, but at the moment, the things you can do that beats L4s for (personal) income are very limited in how many they can support at once, and they quickly run out. What's left for everyone else (even with the new system upgrades) is stuff that's, at best, on par with L4s, except you're doing it in space where the whole ISK grinding activity is very easily disrupted…

…so why do it there? If you only get the same income as L4s, why not do L4s instead, only in safe space? Thus we get all the MR alts grinding away to provide ISK for the PvP mains. The obvious solution would be to increase the 0.0 personal income sources so much that these people would move their ISK-grinding alts out to nullsec, but that would also mean that you'd have to have some pretty insane ISK fountains out there, which might not be such a good thing for the economy.

Thus we come to the L4-nerf solution: don't ruin the economy by injecting bazillions of extra ISK
only to get people to move their MR-alts to where the money is; instead, inject the same amount of ISK by reducing how much highsec gives and only slightly increasing what nullsec provides.

No, the highsec dwellers won't move in either scenario, but the nullsec dwellers might, and that's a good start… But at the same time, "a good start" isn't really lofty enough a goal to ruin the economy over, so a combined nerf+buff to create the same kind of income disparity between the two areas is the only reasonable way to go.


This. This exactly.

I'm surprised that it took seven pages to get a post from someone who actually understands the issue.

The argument to nerf L4s is not about moving carebears into 0.0. It's about making 0.0 the most profitable place to be without completely flooding the economy with ISK.

If you lack the resources/skills/testicular fortitude to move to 0.0, nothing CCP is going to do will change that. But for those that do, it should at the very least be far more rewarding (both in terms of actual profit and interesting gameplay) than carebearing in hi-sec.

And in case you're wondering, this is coming from a (more or less) hi-sec carebear.


Not this at all.

Why can't you grasp that if you nerf level 4s, people will still grind high sec level 4s.

Move level 4s to lowsec and people will grind high sec level 3s.

This is not about where the highest profit in the game is available, but where the highest SAFE profit in the game is available. That is ALWAYS going to be in highsec unless you simply remove all methods of generating ISK or there is a fuundamental shift in the games PVP philosophy.

Even if 0.0 becomes potentially the most profitable part of space, most of the playerbase are still going to make most of their money in high sec. High sec will still be for all intents and purposes the more profitable than nullsec.


Yep. Without Security, it doesn't matter how much more profitable 0.0 is. People will still not go there to make money, they will go there to fight. The only way around all of this, is basically, remove high sec, let it be completely natural, and see what happens. But we aren't going to do that. It's the huge city with the police, surrounded by a war zone. If you don't want to get killed, you won't leave.

Santiago Fahahrri
Gallente
Galactic Geographic
Posted - 2009.12.10 13:17:00 - [336]
 

Originally by: Kiri Serrensun
Something that gets missed in the "just make some friends and move in" school of thought is how much the requirements for 0.0 entry have gone up since a lot of the modern big names moved there. You needed dreadnoughts. You needed enough people to have a round-the-clock presence to avoid alarm clock ops. You needed Titans to make battleship fleets go away with a double-doomsday.

Who was the last non-pet alliance to have a go in 0.0 without Titans? BRUCE? How did that work out for them? Laughing


Funny, we don't have any of those things and we do very well living in 0.0.... we must be doing something wrong.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.12.10 13:45:00 - [337]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Say, can one of the super duper cool and hardcore anticarebear PVPers answer me the following question?

Why is it that a PVPer that kills indiscriminately and simply for the LULZ in Eve shouldn't be considered a real life psychopath but...

It seems to be OK to call a carebear that avoids lo sec and 0.0 a real-life coward and lacking balls?

You can't have it both ways. Either it is OK to attribute real life personality traits based on gaming habits or it is not. So, I'll let the hardcore anticarebear a-holes think about this one and choose wisely.




Beats me. Internet psychology is pretty lame.

I guess that means you'd better stop doing it.

Daemonspirit
Six Degrees of Separation
Posted - 2009.12.10 14:24:00 - [338]
 

Edited by: Daemonspirit on 10/12/2009 14:27:35
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Say, can one of the super duper cool and hardcore anticarebear PVPers answer me the following question?

Why is it that a PVPer that kills indiscriminately and simply for the LULZ in Eve shouldn't be considered a real life psychopath but...

It seems to be OK to call a carebear that avoids lo sec and 0.0 a real-life coward and lacking balls?

You can't have it both ways. Either it is OK to attribute real life personality traits based on gaming habits or it is not. So, I'll let the hardcore anticarebear a-holes think about this one and choose wisely.




Beats me. Internet psychology is pretty lame.

I guess that means you'd better stop doing it.

Think he was referring to the reply below:
Originally by: Gun Gal
excellent reply, sir, you have personified the pacifistic playstyle.

and a quick FYI, i have a few accounts, carebear with the best of them in highsec, pvp in nullsec

therefore, neeledd to say , i have a great game experience, except when listening to the likes of you guys, you wowkiddies, boo-hooing that life isnt fair enough for you.

when the world eventually ends youll be the ones to die first


Which completely missed the point of the person he/she/it was quoting, and instead went directly for "rabble, rabble, rabble".

Good points have been brought up - Loved the Thomas Hobbs quote.



Boink'urr
Minmatar
Wasserette De Tarthorst
Posted - 2009.12.10 14:24:00 - [339]
 

Edited by: Boink''urr on 10/12/2009 14:24:49
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Say, can one of the super duper cool and hardcore anticarebear PVPers answer me the following question?

Why is it that a PVPer that kills indiscriminately and simply for the LULZ in Eve shouldn't be considered a real life psychopath but...

It seems to be OK to call a carebear that avoids lo sec and 0.0 a real-life coward and lacking balls?

You can't have it both ways. Either it is OK to attribute real life personality traits based on gaming habits or it is not. So, I'll let the hardcore anticarebear a-holes think about this one and choose wisely.





Beats me. Internet psychology is pretty lame.

I guess that means you'd better stop doing it.


FYI Internet discussions are pretty useless too in general.

Rita Zechs
Posted - 2009.12.10 15:07:00 - [340]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Say, can one of the super duper cool and hardcore anticarebear PVPers answer me the following question?

Why is it that a PVPer that kills indiscriminately and simply for the LULZ in Eve shouldn't be considered a real life psychopath but...



About as much of a psychopath than any shooter player. You seem to miss the point that for most people this game is a giant, persistant, shooter.

Are you one to cry when beinh headshot in Team Fortress too?

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.12.10 15:25:00 - [341]
 

Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 10/12/2009 16:13:41
Originally by: Rita Zechs
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Say, can one of the super duper cool and hardcore anticarebear PVPers answer me the following question?

Why is it that a PVPer that kills indiscriminately and simply for the LULZ in Eve shouldn't be considered a real life psychopath but...



About as much of a psychopath than any shooter player. You seem to miss the point that for most people this game is a giant, persistant, shooter.

Are you one to cry when beinh headshot in Team Fortress too?
My point is that if you don't like to be called a psychopathic killer, then stop calling carebears cowards. I don't think that because you shoot people in an internet spaceship game that makes you a psychopath. But I also don't think that because someone decides to stay in empire running missions day in and day out avoiding being shot at makes him a greedy coward. Simple as. Capisce?

Edit: Decided to comment on that since I'm seeing the word 'coward' being thrown in this thread to describe carebears that choose to stay in empire.


Esk Esme
Caldari
Smack Crack and Pot
Posted - 2009.12.10 15:51:00 - [342]
 

want more ppl in lo-sec ? = remove sec hit from combat
want more ppl in 0.0 ? = more npc regions for smaller corps to test the water without major allainces aving controll

its a game and ppl play the way they want becouse it dont fall in line with other ppl want them to play or i want them to play or the developers want them to play who care's get over it ppl pay theyer sub they do as they want


my english sux sue me grow up you whineing pansys lol

Stu Pid
Posted - 2009.12.11 07:00:00 - [343]
 

Originally by: Esk Esme
want more ppl in lo-sec ? = remove sec hit from combat
want more ppl in 0.0 ? = more npc regions for smaller corps to test the water without major allainces aving controll

its a game and ppl play the way they want becouse it dont fall in line with other ppl want them to play or i want them to play or the developers want them to play who care's get over it ppl pay theyer sub they do as they want


my english sux sue me grow up you whineing pansys lol


No its the mentality of the players in low sec that has to change and as this will not happen people wont move into low sec.

Now low sec habitants see any thing move and they only think aah target pew pew.


Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2009.12.11 09:10:00 - [344]
 

I have seen six year players rob and then smack talk 6 week players.

Have seen battleships dispatched to gank shuttles on courier missions.

Have seen fleets deployed and patrolling an entire system for a T1 AFK cloaking frig.


A lot of people have a Jan Brady complex when it comes to PVP. Anybody who is not them is therefore not supposed to be in their game, in their system, and on their overview. They must die.

The best way to defeat players like that is never give them a target in the first place.

Even better to send them off looking for one - drives them nuts.

Even more fun to cloak and keep a cluster on combat probes on their ass all day.

Psychopaths are fun to play with. And I don't mean "play, with".

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Amarr
Divine Power.
Atlas.
Posted - 2009.12.11 09:41:00 - [345]
 

Edited by: Nicolo da''Vicenza on 11/12/2009 09:42:31
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Say, can one of the super duper cool and hardcore anticarebear PVPers answer me the following question?

Why is it that a PVPer that kills indiscriminately and simply for the LULZ in Eve shouldn't be considered a real life psychopath but...

It seems to be OK to call a carebear that avoids lo sec and 0.0 a real-life coward and lacking balls?

The reason is that you're the only person in this thread who added the prefix of 'real-life' to any epithet commenting on someone's playstyle, no doubt in the throes of your raging online persecution complex.

On the other hand, posters that refuse to go into low-sec by the rationale of that the inhabitants are 'real-life psychopaths' is a good sign of testicular absence. But that reflects on them and not the harmless isk-grinding, ship collecting throngs of high-sec as a whole.

Elena Laskova
Posted - 2009.12.11 09:58:00 - [346]
 

Edited by: Elena Laskova on 11/12/2009 10:02:46

MatrixSkye is not alone in his opinions.

He just doesn't need much help from other people, so the rest of us aren't filling the thread with posts confirming what he says.

But since I'm here: people don't go to lowSec because it's a boring place inhabited by boring players. LowSec is a desert, but Red vs Blue is thriving. Think about it ...

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Amarr
Divine Power.
Atlas.
Posted - 2009.12.11 10:03:00 - [347]
 

What exactly are you saying Elena? That there's invisible posts in this thread calling people real-life cowards and real-life psychopaths?

I'm sorry that I was not aware of them.

Elena Laskova
Posted - 2009.12.11 10:17:00 - [348]
 

See below from some text from post 287 Nicolo. I normally avoid the word "psychotic", but hopefully you can see that the text isn't intended to put lowSec/noSec players in a positive light.
I might have written a few more like this to keep the thread balanced, but frankly the "opposition" (representing the groups described below) is barely capable of putting together a decent skein of lies, let alone an effective argument. MatrixSkye was doing a great job, and needed no help from anyone else.



"We may live in a sewer, but because we live here it's the best place in the universe. Only the brightest and best could make it here, so all of the brightest and best must want to live here".

... delusional ...

Not everyone plays EvE to simulate being a vicious, rabid sewer-rat, driven by self-hate, mad rage, and an insatiable lust for killmails.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.12.11 10:28:00 - [349]
 

Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Edited by: Nicolo da''Vicenza on 11/12/2009 09:42:31
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Say, can one of the super duper cool and hardcore anticarebear PVPers answer me the following question?

Why is it that a PVPer that kills indiscriminately and simply for the LULZ in Eve shouldn't be considered a real life psychopath but...

It seems to be OK to call a carebear that avoids lo sec and 0.0 a real-life coward and lacking balls?

The reason is that you're the only person in this thread who added the prefix of 'real-life' to any epithet commenting on someone's playstyle, no doubt in the throes of your raging online persecution complex.

On the other hand, posters that refuse to go into low-sec by the rationale of that the inhabitants are 'real-life psychopaths' is a good sign of testicular absence. But that reflects on them and not the harmless isk-grinding, ship collecting throngs of high-sec as a whole.
Laughing I love your hypocrisy. It's entertaining. And this is exactly the stupid mentality that inhabits these forums. You want to be able to call carebears spineless and cowards but get offended when you're called out of the same ignorance that you yourself spew.




Kiri Serrensun
Posted - 2009.12.11 10:29:00 - [350]
 

Originally by: Santiago Fahahrri

Funny, we don't have any of those things and we do very well living in 0.0.... we must be doing something wrong.


In an NPC region, or as a renter? If neither, you're pretty lucky not to have been turfed out with a minimum of effort.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.12.11 10:39:00 - [351]
 

Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
What exactly are you saying Elena? That there's invisible posts in this thread calling people real-life cowards and real-life psychopaths?

I'm sorry that I was not aware of them.
Ivvisible? Or are you suggesting that when a hi sec dweller is said to "lack balls" that it is meant in-game?

By the way some of you elitists speak one would think the Army Rangers should be recruiting out of this internet spaceship game and based on who has the "balls" to go to null sec Laughing. Oh but no one dare bring real life attributes to your style of play. That's taboo.


Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2009.12.11 10:44:00 - [352]
 

Originally by: Kiri Serrensun
Originally by: Santiago Fahahrri

Funny, we don't have any of those things and we do very well living in 0.0.... we must be doing something wrong.


In an NPC region, or as a renter? If neither, you're pretty lucky not to have been turfed out with a minimum of effort.

What's wrong with NPC regions? They're the perfect place for people new to 0.0 to get their feet wet. It's idiocy to complain of high barrier of entry, and then ignore the very convenient steppingstone sitting there unused.

Nor are there any more double DD's to be afraid of, at least not when it comes to having your fleet wiped out. And the new hub/station timers do in fact make it easier for alliances having only partial timezone coverage to defend themselves.

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Amarr
Divine Power.
Atlas.
Posted - 2009.12.11 11:02:00 - [353]
 

Edited by: Nicolo da''Vicenza on 11/12/2009 11:10:25
Edited by: Nicolo da''Vicenza on 11/12/2009 11:02:42
Originally by: Elena Laskova
See below from some text from post 287 Nicolo. I normally avoid the word "psychotic", but hopefully you can see that the text isn't intended to put lowSec/noSec players in a positive light.
I might have written a few more like this to keep the thread balanced, but frankly the "opposition" (representing the groups described below) is barely capable of putting together a decent skein of lies, let alone an effective argument. MatrixSkye was doing a great job, and needed no help from anyone else.
You used the word "simulate", as in not real-life. Give yourself some credit.

I'm going to be honest, I don't really care about how much money mission runners pull in or whether they decide to move into 0.0 or not. I usually dwell so far from empire that making the trek to camp some gate to gank a velator or T1 hauler isn't really worth my time, frankly. Still, mission loot however I strongly feel needs to be nerfed for the good of both high and null-sec (low sec is always going to be a wasteland filled with the odd roaming marauder). The minerals formed from reprocessing L4 mission loot are so prevalent it's replaced mining as the major source of source of building material, devaluing the work of high-sec miners and T1 industrialists to the point where self-destructing ships for the insurance money has now become a full-time business.

Reprocessing L4 missions has made minerals so cheap and plentiful that for a very long time nullsec alliances with moon income had to mine very little if at all to build ships and mods, making those bemoaned 23/7 gatecamps into 0.0 on entry points more possible then ever.

Now I suppose someone is going to chirp in and say the above was all part of some sort of disingenuous facade in order to strike back at mission grinders, as part of a master plan to get people to share my income with for some reason. Personally I think the matter is moot since sooner or later Suddenly Ninjas or some other high-sec 'tear harvester' group are going to take the next logical step and start sending combat fleets to loot and salvage probed missions with or something.

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Amarr
Divine Power.
Atlas.
Posted - 2009.12.11 11:07:00 - [354]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
What exactly are you saying Elena? That there's invisible posts in this thread calling people real-life cowards and real-life psychopaths?

I'm sorry that I was not aware of them.
Ivvisible? Or are you suggesting that when a hi sec dweller is said to "lack balls" that it is meant in-game?

How do you not grasp that it's meant in-game?

When a guy calls you a 'noob' in local do you think he's implying you're a toddler in real life as well?

Santiago Fahahrri
Gallente
Galactic Geographic
Posted - 2009.12.11 11:32:00 - [355]
 

Originally by: Kiri Serrensun
Originally by: Santiago Fahahrri

Funny, we don't have any of those things and we do very well living in 0.0.... we must be doing something wrong.


In an NPC region, or as a renter? If neither, you're pretty lucky not to have been turfed out with a minimum of effort.


Neither, and we've been doing it for more than 3 years as an independent corporation. We don't believe all the folks who try to tell us there's only certain right ways to play in space.

Foundation Vox
Posted - 2009.12.11 11:32:00 - [356]
 

"when the world eventually ends youll be the ones to die first"

wow. getting a little intense there. the amount of mission runners in EVE is staggering. most people (myself included) can't devote hours and hours of my day to a mmo. best I can do is a mission or 2 from work. even with this i am seriously into the game and have been for several years. hope they don't nerf lvl 4s but it wouldn't change anything.

Elena Laskova
Posted - 2009.12.11 11:47:00 - [357]
 

Edited by: Elena Laskova on 11/12/2009 11:49:09
Off topic - removed

Hannibal Ord
Minmatar
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2009.12.11 12:30:00 - [358]
 

Originally by: Elena Laskova


But since I'm here: people don't go to lowSec because it's a boring place inhabited by boring players. LowSec is a desert, but Red vs Blue is thriving. Think about it ...


Win.

Dodgy Past
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Posted - 2009.12.11 12:36:00 - [359]
 

Of courser I do wonder how what proportion of the L4 mission thing the null sec players manage to distort.

Since they aren't doing it for 'fun' they're some of the most likely to be maxing their isk / hour ratios and potentially distorting the market more than the casual one or two missions an evening crowd.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.12.11 12:41:00 - [360]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
What exactly are you saying Elena? That there's invisible posts in this thread calling people real-life cowards and real-life psychopaths?

I'm sorry that I was not aware of them.
Ivvisible? Or are you suggesting that when a hi sec dweller is said to "lack balls" that it is meant in-game?

By the way some of you elitists speak one would think the Army Rangers should be recruiting out of this internet spaceship game and based on who has the "balls" to go to null sec Laughing. Oh but no one dare bring real life attributes to your style of play. That's taboo.




The very fact you highlight - that EvE is just a game - is what makes being a coward in it so risible.

Dont want to join the army and get your face shot off in Afghanistan? Understandable

Dont want to check out lo-sec in case you lose a T1 InternetPixels™ frigate? Pathetic.


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