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fdgfsdfsd
Posted - 2009.12.07 22:53:00 - [1]
 

I have an advisory agent that ended up giving me 2 mining mission in a row, the kind I just don't have the skills to do. I abandoned the first one only to be offered a second mining one. I logged out last night and waited maybe 20 hours before abandoning the second. I kept getting the pop up about losing standing if I abandoned it so I decided to try it anyway considering the amount of time involved.

I lost standings...so I don't get it, why did I lose standings here ?

Tolkh
Posted - 2009.12.07 23:00:00 - [2]
 

Oops this is me posting, I'm a bit rusty I just came back to the game ;) .

Consience
Posted - 2009.12.07 23:27:00 - [3]
 

I'm fairly new myself (so probably wrong) but I thought if you take a mission and then abandon it you always lose standing, it's only if you decline the mission that you don't lose standing (which you can only do once every 4 hours).

Dacryphile
Posted - 2009.12.07 23:33:00 - [4]
 

If you could decline a mission without any standing hit, people would figure out which mission is the most profitable, and decline every mission until they got it. Since each agent only gives out 10 or so different missions, it wouldn't take a lot of time. To get Gone Berserk every time.

hellcane
Posted - 2009.12.07 23:35:00 - [5]
 

you must have accepted the mission. you can abandon once per 4 hours if you do not accept the missions.

Tolkh
Posted - 2009.12.08 00:19:00 - [6]
 

Ah yes I did accept it since I had a miner friend around but we never found the quest asteroid (found it later by playing with the overview but my friend was gone). Thanks for the answer I should have thought about it.


Irdia Freelancer
Posted - 2009.12.08 01:41:00 - [7]
 

'10 missiosn from an agent' ????

Must be some new player who hasn't done many missions ...

The number of missions offered by an agent is much larger. Eg the agent I run missiosn from I get close on 60 different missions. If one rejects almost all missions so they can claim they only get '10' its not the same thing as the agent only giving '10' missions.

You can get a standing loss currently for rejecting a mission that was not accepted which is outside the '4 hours'. I did this 3x while collecting some datacores this last week. eg Lvl 4 research agents will try to give you a mission and if its been offered and you decline it (never accepted) it will give a small standing loss 0.0135% like which is tiny.

Dacryphile
Posted - 2009.12.08 06:03:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Irdia Freelancer
'10 missiosn from an agent' ????

Must be some new player who hasn't done many missions ...

There are a lot of missions out there, but specific agents are limited to a certain set. It may be a bit more than 10, but I doubt its much higher than 20 unless you have a really awesome agent. I've been a mission ***** a long time. I haven't used eve-survival in ages because I know all the mission my agent gives me by heart. All the triggers, all the waves, how much time it takes, what the loot/salvage is like, what kind of standing gain I get, all of it.

Daddy Worbucks
Posted - 2009.12.08 09:02:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Irdia Freelancer

You can get a standing loss currently for rejecting a mission that was not accepted which is outside the '4 hours'. I did this 3x while collecting some datacores this last week. eg Lvl 4 research agents will try to give you a mission and if its been offered and you decline it (never accepted) it will give a small standing loss 0.0135% like which is tiny.


I am not sure if this is what Irdia is talking about, but it was once the case that, if you allowed a mission offer to expire without formally rejecting the offer the agent would get offended for having his time wasted and you would get a standings loss. This aspect of the game was supposed to have been recently changed; one major problem with the system was that if you accidentally deleted an offer from your journal, and this is a game in which you can quite easily accidentally delete things, without having declined the mission, and you did not limit yourself to a few regular agents, it could become very difficult, or mathematically impossible, to physically find that a agent again, which is what you would have to do, to then properly reject the offer and avoid a standings loss. The legacy of the old policy is that you will still get letters from agents acting like they are ****ed at you for letting mission offers elapse, but you will get no standings hit.

The mechanics for R&D agents do work differently due to their special nature (e.g. standings requirements), but they are not supposed to be different in this respect, and, if they still are, it should be due to an oversight on CCPs part; understandable as I cannot imagine there are many examples of R&D agent mission offers lapsing; and the deleterious effects of any such happening ought to be a good candidate for correct via ticket, and also a bug report.

There is the chance that CCP wont see it this way, since you do actually have a record in your journal of all your active R&D agents, so you would not have the same problem you would with deleting the offers of normal agents, but I think considerations of in game consistency should trump obstinate insistence on individual responsibility.


 

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