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Nareg Maxence
Gallente
Posted - 2010.01.04 21:54:00 - [61]
 

Bookmarks are long overdue for a complete revamp.

Iseen
Posted - 2010.01.06 17:06:00 - [62]
 

I would like to see a smoother process for BM's with many of the changes suggested, *however*...

The problem I have is with instant sharing of bookmarks and the effect it has for those operating in WH space; you become massively more vulnerable.

At the moment typically a scout scans down a WH, enters, scouts out the hole for signatures, players and POS facilities. Should any juicy targets turn up they have to exit the WH to share the Kspace location of the WH to the rest of their gang. This gives two chances to spot the enemy and a little time to respond.

With instant bookmark sharing, if a scout needs a single positive result to allow the rest of the gang to immediately head to the WH and get in to back them up any non-pvp fit operation (mining?) is toast as the only notification you get is when they are already in warp towards you.

A counter would be having someone diligently watching the WH for that characteristic flash as a ship enters, but it is very boring for that individual to do. It also means you waste a player/account on that (which if WH's are for small gangs to succeed in, you can't often spare). You need to know when the scout enters, the point an enemy combat fleet enters a WH is already too late for your gang as from experience tacklers can often align, warp and lock faster than a hulk takes to get up to speed.

As WH are often scanned down in the operating region of the scout's corp, finding a fleet to gank that WH mining operation is usually going to be easy.

Don't get me wrong, I am happy with the pew, but sometimes when there is no-one or nothing to shoot, it can be profitable to spend your time mining. If bookmarks could be instantly shared, I would cope, but instead of "living" in a WH, I would scan down a bunch of WH's before prime, and then go through each of them until I found a mining op to bring the corp down on. This could be further sped up by having all the corp scanning WH's, and switching to combat ships when the (more likely to find) opportunities arrive.

As a suggestion, I would implement the majority of the suggestions, but require BM's to be added to or retrieved from a corp/alliance/'trusted user' BM "store" in a station, outpost or POS (the tower would make sense). This would allow the benefits of sharing bookmarks in a logical way, but also require gank fleets to do a little planning still rather than making it really simple for any opportunistic pilot to 'bring the rain' on every op.

For those who operate in WH space, having that functionality in a POS is a must.

The roleplay version would be "a BM is not merely a location, but the alignment data and technical readouts necessary for an accurate warp". Imagine it being a big, big bunch of data specific to your ship, with the "exported" BM you currently have in cargo being the raw data so another ship type could compute it for themselves. That way, you can argue that POS, Outpost, and Station (and maybe caps, supercaps or blackops BS to expand it's role) have the additional CPU and comms facilities for massive data transfers.



On a different subject to the above, collaborative corp/alliance WH operations require BM's in cans rather than hangers so any improvement on that lag fest would be great.

p.s. this is posted on an alt for security purposes.

Wikis
Posted - 2010.01.15 16:25:00 - [63]
 


RootEmerger
Posted - 2010.01.15 19:00:00 - [64]
 


Marcus Eurealus
Posted - 2010.01.16 01:37:00 - [65]
 

Yah:

Nothing further required ...

Marcus Eurealus
Posted - 2010.01.16 01:43:00 - [66]
 

Yah:

Nothing further required ... Great post and thought process

Marcus Eurealus
Posted - 2010.01.16 01:48:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Iseen
I would like to see a smoother process for BM's with many of the changes suggested, *however*...

The problem I have is with instant sharing of bookmarks and the effect it has for those operating in WH space; you become massively more vulnerable.

At the moment typically a scout scans down a WH, enters, scouts out the hole for signatures, players and POS facilities. Should any juicy targets turn up they have to exit the WH to share the Kspace location of the WH to the rest of their gang. This gives two chances to spot the enemy and a little time to respond.

With instant bookmark sharing, if a scout needs a single positive result to allow the rest of the gang to immediately head to the WH and get in to back them up any non-pvp fit operation (mining?) is toast as the only notification you get is when they are already in warp towards you.



Yes but the flip side is, you can post a Bookmark to Corp Mates and get them right to the Locus Space with you ...

GFRoSTY
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.01.22 22:57:00 - [68]
 

+1 agree
Bookmarking needs a complete review and implmentation of what is being recommended.

Voddick
Posted - 2010.01.23 05:16:00 - [69]
 

YES!

Nakuna
Posted - 2010.01.28 05:13:00 - [70]
 

supported, while the whole UI needs an upgrade bookmarks need the most changes.

Dorotent
Posted - 2010.01.28 14:23:00 - [71]
 

Not being able to transmit co-ords to fleet members has ALWAYS struck me as very odd in a space MMO.

Sempre Paratus
Posted - 2010.01.29 07:55:00 - [72]
 

I definitely support this.

Abelard Adrien
Posted - 2010.02.05 21:13:00 - [73]
 


Zathrasz
Posted - 2010.02.10 12:19:00 - [74]
 

supported

Gigiarc
Gallente
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.02.10 12:31:00 - [75]
 


Forester Pete
Frog Morton Industries
Anuran Origin
Posted - 2010.02.19 13:29:00 - [76]
 

supported

Liol Wongsta
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.02.19 17:26:00 - [77]
 

Corp bookmarks are a must.

Saerynn
Lost Intentions

Posted - 2010.02.19 17:45:00 - [78]
 

Supported.

Anita Blonde
Posted - 2010.02.20 00:44:00 - [79]
 

full support

lovely song
Posted - 2010.02.20 00:45:00 - [80]
 

yes please

Witcher
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2010.02.20 00:51:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Iseen
I would like to see a smoother process for BM's with many of the changes suggested, *however*...

The problem I have is with instant sharing of bookmarks and the effect it has for those operating in WH space; you become massively more vulnerable.

At the moment typically a scout scans down a WH, enters, scouts out the hole for signatures, players and POS facilities. Should any juicy targets turn up they have to exit the WH to share the Kspace location of the WH to the rest of their gang. This gives two chances to spot the enemy and a little time to respond.

With instant bookmark sharing, if a scout needs a single positive result to allow the rest of the gang to immediately head to the WH and get in to back them up any non-pvp fit operation (mining?) is toast as the only notification you get is when they are already in warp towards you.

A counter would be having someone diligently watching the WH for that characteristic flash as a ship enters, but it is very boring for that individual to do. It also means you waste a player/account on that (which if WH's are for small gangs to succeed in, you can't often spare). You need to know when the scout enters, the point an enemy combat fleet enters a WH is already too late for your gang as from experience tacklers can often align, warp and lock faster than a hulk takes to get up to speed.

As WH are often scanned down in the operating region of the scout's corp, finding a fleet to gank that WH mining operation is usually going to be easy.

Don't get me wrong, I am happy with the pew, but sometimes when there is no-one or nothing to shoot, it can be profitable to spend your time mining. If bookmarks could be instantly shared, I would cope, but instead of "living" in a WH, I would scan down a bunch of WH's before prime, and then go through each of them until I found a mining op to bring the corp down on. This could be further sped up by having all the corp scanning WH's, and switching to combat ships when the (more likely to find) opportunities arrive.

As a suggestion, I would implement the majority of the suggestions, but require BM's to be added to or retrieved from a corp/alliance/'trusted user' BM "store" in a station, outpost or POS (the tower would make sense). This would allow the benefits of sharing bookmarks in a logical way, but also require gank fleets to do a little planning still rather than making it really simple for any opportunistic pilot to 'bring the rain' on every op.

For those who operate in WH space, having that functionality in a POS is a must.

The roleplay version would be "a BM is not merely a location, but the alignment data and technical readouts necessary for an accurate warp". Imagine it being a big, big bunch of data specific to your ship, with the "exported" BM you currently have in cargo being the raw data so another ship type could compute it for themselves. That way, you can argue that POS, Outpost, and Station (and maybe caps, supercaps or blackops BS to expand it's role) have the additional CPU and comms facilities for massive data transfers.



On a different subject to the above, collaborative corp/alliance WH operations require BM's in cans rather than hangers so any improvement on that lag fest would be great.

p.s. this is posted on an alt for security purposes.



there is always a player who puts wall of text with some vague unclear argument just for the sake of it

this is special type of troll who is stuck within his own imagination

Humble Alt
Posted - 2010.02.20 00:53:00 - [82]
 

supported

current system is abomination

Skanthra
Minmatar
Bath and Body Works
S I L E N T.
Posted - 2010.02.20 11:18:00 - [83]
 

+1

Bre Davus
Posted - 2010.02.22 22:48:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Bre Davus on 22/02/2010 22:48:04
Supported

Garr Anders
Minmatar
The Red Circle Inc.

Posted - 2010.02.23 11:17:00 - [85]
 

With the align to Bookmarks this could be integrated at the same time.

Mcflie
Posted - 2010.02.24 21:44:00 - [86]
 

I'm for the change. The system should be improved.

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2010.02.24 22:33:00 - [87]
 

/signed, I want to share my 600 AU safe spots

Ehris Bok
United Kings
Strategic Operations Brigade
Posted - 2010.02.24 22:33:00 - [88]
 

Supported.

fang Huh
Posted - 2010.02.25 13:45:00 - [89]
 

You have my support.

Nekre
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2010.02.26 15:17:00 - [90]
 

/signed


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