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Jared Ulfsuun
Posted - 2009.12.05 11:52:00 - [61]
 

Supported.

Rain Kaessinde
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2009.12.05 14:30:00 - [62]
 

Yes, fix plx.

Fayn Locat
Posted - 2009.12.05 15:59:00 - [63]
 

fix this things , it's like an exploit

Vir Hellnamin
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2009.12.05 17:23:00 - [64]
 

why not. left thumb up.
(still, I'm curiously-wanting to see how CCP reacts to totally messed up FW...)

Misan Pal'taek
Minmatar
Loke's Shadow
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2009.12.05 17:26:00 - [65]
 

Supported.

Rocius
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2009.12.05 17:27:00 - [66]
 

Suppoted, please fix FW on ALL sides

Jaredh Elkin
Minmatar
Gradient

Posted - 2009.12.05 18:04:00 - [67]
 

Supported, this is just ridiculous.

Andreas Plotkine
Posted - 2009.12.05 18:14:00 - [68]
 

Supported, please fix it for all factions.

Gunther Alaves
Posted - 2009.12.05 18:16:00 - [69]
 

Supported.

Samiko Kei
Posted - 2009.12.05 21:01:00 - [70]
 

Supported - that's a stupid mechanic.

Drauqhk Shathet
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2009.12.05 23:01:00 - [71]
 

Supported

Arnulf Ogunkoya
Minmatar
The Causality
Electus Matari
Posted - 2009.12.05 23:59:00 - [72]
 

This matter definitely needs attention.

Really I don't see why allied militia shouldn't get standings for assisting their allies, and get shot at for doing so by the NPC forces they are acting against.


Damar Rocarion
Posted - 2009.12.06 11:54:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Oh yes one more thing. Why is this issue a problem for you? There is noone using this against you


On the contrary. People use it. Val Erian even created an alt named Ramad Noinacor to mock me for it. Qcats use "Lets have Caldari npc shoot Caldari militia" bug and there are other examples out there.

Damar Rocarion
Brigadier General

Revor Cas
Posted - 2009.12.06 12:35:00 - [74]
 

supported.

Astria Tiphareth
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade

Posted - 2009.12.06 12:47:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
I cannot believe that a majority of the 24th Crusade players would want to "win" the occupancy battles in their theatre through the efforts of a standings-loophole like this. It makes a mockery of corporations like 1PG and PIE and others who have by and large been fighting an honest war so far.


Too damned right.

Veshta Yoshida
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.12.06 12:58:00 - [76]
 

Supported, IF and only IF:

- NPCs are balanced across the factions.
- Speed tanking/ solo-capping made impossible.
- Plexing/occupancy made worth a damn.
- etc. etc. ad nauseum.

-------------
FW is broken, simple as that. Change any one thing as it is and the proverbial apple-cart topples .. it has to be done all at once for any kind of level playing field to exist.

CCP has proven reluctant to do anything about people actually using known bugs (timer bug) even though it is a bannable offense according to their own rules.
CCP has proven reluctant when it comes to labelling something as an "exploit" (in all areas not just FW), thus giving "users" a carte blanche when it comes to exploiting - they are essentially making ignorance a valid defense.

JoseManuel Barroso
Posted - 2009.12.06 13:15:00 - [77]
 

supported.

Shaikar
Amarr
PIE Inc.

Posted - 2009.12.06 13:19:00 - [78]
 

Supported.

Originally by: Arkady Sadik
2) NPCs care too much about standings

...

This leads to the situation where the most effective offensive plexing is done by a rookie alt with sufficient standings in the "off militia", as they can run offensive plexes without NPC interference, i.e. a t1 frigate is enough for even unrestricted complexes; and as the "off" militia do not get any standings from plexing, so do not lose that ability.

I do not think that this is the way FW should be played, so this game mechanic has to change.



However it is somewhat moot and will remain so for as long as the complex timers are bugged so you only have to trigger them but don't have to stay there for the duration to make them keep counting down.

In other words it is a silly loophole that needs patching but it would be a bit like patching the hole in the roof to keep the rain out whilst the supporting wall is in danger of collapsing.

Gegi Wau
Minmatar
Gradient

Posted - 2009.12.06 13:20:00 - [79]
 

Edited by: Gegi Wau on 06/12/2009 13:20:26
This is simply ridiculous.

Pretty poor showing by CCP, and shame on those who base their strategy on this obviously faulty game mechanic. The people exploiting this loophole are making a mockery of FW.

Ahab Keat
Project Nemesis
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2009.12.06 13:23:00 - [80]
 

Fix it!

Benito Arias
Gallente
Lutinari Syndicate
Electus Matari
Posted - 2009.12.06 13:26:00 - [81]
 

supported

Femerov
Minmatar
The Black Bha'lir
Saints Amongst Sinners
Posted - 2009.12.06 13:37:00 - [82]
 

Strongly supported :)

John Tanashima
Caldari
ICS-762 Drunken Butterflies
Posted - 2009.12.06 13:40:00 - [83]
 

Strongly supported, immersion breaking, game play wreaking mechanism should go away.

Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid

Posted - 2009.12.06 14:04:00 - [84]
 

Fix this ASAP. It's completely lame

Drezdyn
Gallente
Murientor Tribe
Posted - 2009.12.06 14:32:00 - [85]
 

Edited by: Drezdyn on 06/12/2009 14:32:50
I've heard the CCP response to this issue has been 'working as intended', though I won't assume that's the case without seeing their statement. I honestly don't see how this could be the case.

Are the NPC defenders of plexes supposed to be mentally challenged? What other believable rationale could they have for standing by impotently whilst obvious enemies capture a military complex from under their noses? Do they check the pilot's standings and say 'stand down men, that's Tom - remember he was at the xmas party last year - real friendly bloke. Ah don't mind that he's working for the enemy, we sure don't want to cause him any trouble...'

Working as intended? I guess fw is intended to be a metagame you need an alt to play.

[EDIT]: forgot to support topic. CCP plz fix.

Arkady Sadik
Minmatar
Electus Matari
Posted - 2009.12.06 14:45:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Drezdyn
I've heard the CCP response to this issue has been 'working as intended', though I won't assume that's the case without seeing their statement. I honestly don't see how this could be the case.


When I first witnessed an incarnation of this, an Amarrian capturing Minmatar complexes without being shot at by the NPCs, I bug reported it (#60498, 2008.07.26 16:27:37). The reply then was:

Quote:
Thank you for your report. This is by design. Enemy NPCs will trust you as long as you maintain a certain level of standings with them. This trust will not last forever, if you abuse it though.


This is indeed the case there. A Minmatar (just to cycle factions around a bit, all sides have used this at some point or another) capturing Amarr plexes will get Minmatar standings, thus lose Amarr standings, so this will solve itself over time - actually, rather quickly.

This "new incarnation" is different, though, as the "allied faction" does not get any standings. So the Caldari FW pilots with high Minmatar standings do not get any Amarr standings for capturing Minmatar complexes, which in turn means they do not lose Minmatar standings, so this does not solve itself as the other bug does.

Hence, I have bug reported this "new incarnation" of the problem (#88013, 2009.12.02 19:35:40), noting that the original design of this problem "balancing itself out" does not work here.

No reply on that bug report so far.

Kade Jeekin
Kinda'Shujaa
Posted - 2009.12.06 15:03:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
...I cannot believe that a majority of the 24th Crusade players would want to "win" the occupancy battles in their theatre through the efforts of a standings-loophole like this. It makes a mockery of corporations like 1PG and PIE and others who have by and large been fighting an honest war so far...



Jade Constantine, I appreciate your naive belief that PIE had honour but take a look at IGS where PIE is rubbing the new system occupancies in our faces, and even in this thread they only give conditional support. Shame really.

Still, it's not PIE's fault, they're only riding on the back of the inevitable. Damar wouldn't listen to them, as he's on his own crusade.



Stratio
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Damu'Khonde
Posted - 2009.12.06 15:26:00 - [88]
 

Edited by: Stratio on 06/12/2009 15:31:53
Originally by: Z0D
Second part I agree with but I do think that allies should be able to capture eachother's plexes without being shot at by NPCs.

Not being shot at by NPCs at all?

Or just that gallente, for example, should be able to help minmatar defend minmatar plexes without being shot at by minmatar npcs.

Drakonus Laerdon
Amarr
PIE Inc.

Posted - 2009.12.06 15:27:00 - [89]
 

Kade, the systems went vulnerable, and were occupied by Amarr forces. Of course we are going to RP this, it's what is happening in the game world. I understand that it's not fair that a bug or exploit was used, but that is life sometimes. It's up to CCP to fix what is broken, because FW is their project.

That said, I support the standings issue. CCP should fix it ASAP.

Nephilim Xeno
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2009.12.06 15:34:00 - [90]
 

this is not really much different from the speedtanking issue we had to deal with since the nano changes

whether a frig sits in the plex not getting shot at all or orbits the timer with AB while being shot by 30 NPCs not taking any dmg is really not much of a difference

and yet the same minmatar that heavily abused speedtanking in the past (and still do!) are now outraged because of this standing issue

so who is being a hypocrite here?

fixing only one of this issues will only benefit one side while screwing over the other one

also since the plex mechanics in FW seem to heavily reuse existing eve mechanics i doubt that fixing this would be easy, probably involves rewriting a lot of code and decoupling FW mechanics from non FW ones

maybe there should really be some kind of FW round table where all 4 militias sit together and formalize one CSM issue covering ALL problems and then get the members off all 4 militas to vote for it aswell

as long as the issues remain small and too one sided you won't get enough supporters


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