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Turiel Demon
Minmatar
Celtic industries
Posted - 2009.12.01 15:44:00 - [91]
 

Came expecting explanation of server-hamster feeding procedure...

left disappointed Sad

SlartiBeerFest
Posted - 2009.12.01 15:45:00 - [92]
 

real situation is it's party time in Iceland, CCP out on the razzle last night, timeline thus:

05:00 Roll home after 10 hours of ****ing it up in Reykjavik's finest strip clubs.
13:00 Awake with grade 5 hangovers
16:00 Several pots of coffee later head to town for "breakfast"
18:00 Roll into work for post mortem of previous night
20:00 Start updating servers
21:00 Stick it live and let customers do the testing

IGA contact
Posted - 2009.12.01 15:51:00 - [93]
 

I have to reply, I don't want to, but I have to.

good games run by good companies with good employees take as long as they need and a good gamer knows it. Is one ****ing day geeeeeeeezzzzz!

When a player leaves EVE to play WOW the average IQ of both game community increases.

soulkiller3
Minmatar
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.12.01 16:05:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Originally by: Zartanic
Where did all these computer experts suddenly come from?


Hackers, you mean. Expert hackers, who were somehow able to get into the EVE source code and CCP's servers. How else would they know what deploying an EVE expansion entails?


Its cracker at lest get that right, hackers are the good guys Cool

If you have programmed somthing more then 200 lines you know that its hard to perdicted everthing that can go wrong with software/hardware as big as eve.

And if you think its that easy why dont you make a better space mmo and show ccp how it is done.

Simvastatin Montelukast
Empire of Collateral Damage
Posted - 2009.12.01 16:32:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Kim Chubby
Edited by: Kim Chubby on 01/12/2009 14:46:40
At least they are not like Sony, and release this gem of a product:

Linkage

CCP at least allows the damn thing to work, only better! Very Happy

Need some comedy in here, Eve is srzbiznezz.

In other news, the Republican's raised Zombie Reagan to lead the GOP, check it out here:

Zombie Reagan

The Democrats have no chance.


Holy Crap, I just wasted three hours at work lmao because of these links. Then my co-worker had to watch the onion as well, so we have pretty much just ****ed away half our day watching this, lol.

Horatio Nately
Caldari
808 Enterprises
Posted - 2009.12.01 16:45:00 - [96]
 

to the OP. STFU or they'll delete our boot.ini again Rolling Eyes

Echo Vector
Gallente
Odyssey SEC
Phoenix Virtue
Posted - 2009.12.01 16:50:00 - [97]
 

Tell the truth.

Someone was carrying one of the 40 boxes of punchcards and the bottom fell out of the box.


hakkiew365
Muffin Munchers
Muffy Inc.
Posted - 2009.12.01 16:55:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Amish Juggernaut
Do you have any idea how many 3.5" floppies they have to put in and take out for this patch? Alot.

LOL

AvaAlt
Posted - 2009.12.01 17:06:00 - [99]
 

Anyone else ever notice, how everyone in this game is a computer expert?

Anyone else finding it quite difficult to believe that every self-proclaimed "IT guy, network guy, programmer, etc" has ever even actually had a job?

Im sure the portion of "computer people" to the rest of us is higher in a game like this than in a random sample of people just selected at say, Wal Mart, but cmon...admit it. Most of you do not work, a good portion of those that do are in fields having little to do with computers (unless you count the drive-in window headset) and a few of you actually do what you claim.

Sales associate at Best Buy does NOT make you an "IT guy", btw.

/rant off.


Frug
Omega Wing
Snatch Victory
Posted - 2009.12.01 17:06:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: hakkiew365
Originally by: Amish Juggernaut
Do you have any idea how many 3.5" floppies they have to put in and take out for this patch? Alot.

LOL

We have a winner.

Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
Posted - 2009.12.01 17:08:00 - [101]
 

You're right OP, they finished the update at about 3am and now they are all down the "Frog and Dragon" pub, drinking mulled rasberry wine and singing Viking lullabies.

At some point one fo them will wake up from his drunken slumber and turn on the servers again.

We live in hope.

Hotako
Posted - 2009.12.01 17:10:00 - [102]
 

Does Industrial and Systems Engineer, Quality Manager cut it?

Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Global Economy Experts
Posted - 2009.12.01 17:14:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: AvaAlt
Anyone else ever notice, how everyone in this game is a computer expert?

Anyone else finding it quite difficult to believe that every self-proclaimed "IT guy, network guy, programmer, etc" has ever even actually had a job?

Im sure the portion of "computer people" to the rest of us is higher in a game like this than in a random sample of people just selected at say, Wal Mart, but cmon...admit it. Most of you do not work, a good portion of those that do are in fields having little to do with computers (unless you count the drive-in window headset) and a few of you actually do what you claim.

Sales associate at Best Buy does NOT make you an "IT guy", btw.

/rant off.




Yeah, I've noticed a higher concentration of computer people than I expected, as well, not just on the forums, but just chatting with my friends in my corps.

But yeah "program analyst" here, though it's really "software engineer" like my last job, but this company names things funny.

Vossejongk
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.12.01 17:16:00 - [104]
 

OP is an impatient WoW noob and thinks that CCP has the same amount of manpower resources as Blizzard has.

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2009.12.01 17:16:00 - [105]
 

id rather them do it right than delete my boot.ini

Edlin Fogg
Posted - 2009.12.01 17:20:00 - [106]
 

It can take a while to find the correct part of the tape to start playing from.

Especially when the White Wolf mooks keeps taping over your patch with Coldplay albums.

Lussac Trigalle
Posted - 2009.12.01 17:20:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Dretzle Omega


But yeah "program analyst" here, though it's really "software engineer" like my last job, but this company names things funny.


ah but is that the misused (as in he writes software) 'software engineer' or the professionally qualified with a certified Soft. Eng. degree? Legally you are only a software engineer if it is the latter.

Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Global Economy Experts
Posted - 2009.12.01 17:23:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Lussac Trigalle
ah but is that the misused (as in he writes software) 'software engineer' or the professionally qualified with a certified Soft. Eng. degree? Legally you are only a software engineer if it is the latter.


I haven't bothered to get a certification saying I know how to do what they pay me to do, so the former, I guess. But what the heck is "program analyst" supposed to mean? I don't analyze the programs, I code and debug them!

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2009.12.01 17:25:00 - [109]
 

wait where is vista's boot.ini ?

Gabriel Karade
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2009.12.01 17:31:00 - [110]
 

Sit back, relax, and wait for the bang...

Very Happy

Vossejongk
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.12.01 17:31:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Armoured C
wait where is vista's boot.ini ?


It doesnt has one. If you do find a file like Boot.ini on Vista, delete it immediatly, its a virus that will copy itsself to your brain and turn you into a brainless zombie that plays Hello Kitty Online all day long.

Seth Ruin
Minmatar
Ominous Corp
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2009.12.01 17:34:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: Lussac Trigalle
ah but is that the misused (as in he writes software) 'software engineer' or the professionally qualified with a certified Soft. Eng. degree? Legally you are only a software engineer if it is the latter.

I'm not entirely sure that's true. You are what your job title says. A high school math teacher who graduated with a physics degree is a math teacher, not a physicist. Also, the converse is not true: just because I graduate with a computer science degree does not make me a computer scientist.

Lussac Trigalle
Posted - 2009.12.01 17:35:00 - [113]
 

Software Developer would be the normal term for someone who designs, implements & tests software. Program Analyst is a left over term from the late 70's where the programmer was also usually the business analayst and before there were any IEEE acredited software qualifications. So before starting any coding they would have to analyse the business requirements before attempting to define the software requirements. That's usually done by a dedicated business analyst these days depending on how much a firm follows best practice.

The thing about 'Software Engineer' is it is a professional qualification, the same as Civil Engineer or Doctor, they are protected in law.

Lussac Trigalle
Posted - 2009.12.01 17:43:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: Seth Ruin
I'm not entirely sure that's true. You are what your job title says. A high school math teacher who graduated with a physics degree is a math teacher, not a physicist. Also, the converse is not true: just because I graduate with a computer science degree does not make me a computer scientist.


That's not true in the case of certain Professional Qualifications. My friend's job is 'Clinical Development Manager' However since she also has a pHD in physics, she is also a Dr. She can call herself either - one is her job, one is her professional qualification.

If you graduate with a computer science degree it makes you a 'BSc Computer Science' so you can legally call yourself Seth Ruin BSc Comp Sci. if you really wanted to.

I am currently a self employed web-designer, however I am still also a qualified Soft Eng (Did it for 15 years after the four years of study, but ill health meant I had to find something I could do from home)

You cannot call yourself a Civil Engineer simply because you work on a building site, no matter what your role entails.


Esu Nahalas
Yote Patrol
Posted - 2009.12.01 17:43:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Vossejongk
OP is an impatient WoW noob and thinks that CCP has the same amount of manpower resources as Blizzard has.


OP probably works for Blizzard. Wink

Moneo
Amarr
Posted - 2009.12.01 17:49:00 - [116]
 

Edited by: Moneo on 01/12/2009 17:49:45
Since programming is mostly a non-physical process of creation, everyone can get involved very easily and quickly. So there are a lot of people running around who did their "C++/Java/C#/PHP/... in 24 days" and think they are a programmer... not to mention an actual software developer/designer/engineer/architect.

I work in a software department, and I hate it when we have to clean up or refactor after exactly those "<bla> in 24 days"-people hired from elsewhere. The worst: dumping a whole system set up by some loud mouth and redo it from scratch... ARGH.

So yeah... what did I wanna say? Yeah: Well, I write my "Hello World! in uuuuuhhh... PERL within a few minutes or even seconds, after that I come here and shake my head upon those total software n00bs at CCP, taking more than 12h for deploying a patch to a system that is only slightly higher in complexity than my previously mentioned program. So open up Tranquility already, dammit!

Razz

Doctor Penguin
Amarr
Sacred Templars
Black Star Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.01 17:51:00 - [117]
 

Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 01/12/2009 17:50:54
Originally by: Vossejongk
OP is an impatient WoW noob and thinks that CCP has the same amount of manpower resources as Blizzard has.


Blizzard doesn't need to shut down one of the largest servers in the world every time they want to change something.

basjah
Posted - 2009.12.01 17:56:00 - [118]
 

WOW just has 50 diffrent realms on diffrent locations......

EVE is 1 big cluster on the same location so it will take some time:)Embarassed

Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Global Economy Experts
Posted - 2009.12.01 17:58:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: Doctor Penguin
Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 01/12/2009 17:50:54
Originally by: Vossejongk
OP is an impatient WoW noob and thinks that CCP has the same amount of manpower resources as Blizzard has.


Blizzard doesn't need to shut down one of the largest servers in the world every time they want to change something.


Neither does CCP.

1) I doubt they use one physical server. They have several with load balancing. These are referred to as "nodes", hence when a major unplanned fleet battle crashes a node, they crash a server, but the rest of us play on merrily (usually). We are all in the same "world", though, and I'm sure all the communication stuff goes through the same server (or servers in tandem).

2) I'm sure there are many other agencies who have larger servers/server farms. :)

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2009.12.01 18:10:00 - [120]
 

Quote:
The user system of EVE got corified in order to be more easily used in other CCP products.


If you have any experience with programming systems as complex as EVE, you would get your answer in this line of patch notes. Plus, they are doing it on MS database platform where nothing can go wrong... rightRolling Eyes


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