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Lowfat Yogurt
Minmatar
Omni Tech Engineering
Needless Friends
Posted - 2004.11.09 23:40:00 - [1]
 

How many of you love this game but are way to busy and rarely home to keep up on skills? Some of us eve-onliners have lives, with jobs, school, and famliy that makes it hard to always be on-line. I like this game, and like the feel of able to progress while not online. It would be helpful to be able to change skills while at work thur the website. So us that have lives can keep up with those that have more time.

Lomithrandra


ISD YARR
Interstellar Services Department
Posted - 2004.11.09 23:43:00 - [2]
 

I would like that too. YARRRR!!

kurg
Posted - 2004.11.09 23:46:00 - [3]
 

its been requested several times before dont think its going to happen

Roman
THE KULT MERCENARIES
No Kings
Posted - 2004.11.09 23:54:00 - [4]
 

It would be nice. But I'm happy enough that I can train skills while not playing. Not a single other MMOG allows you to do that. Yet one more reason why EVE wtfpwns all.

Lowfat Yogurt
Minmatar
Omni Tech Engineering
Needless Friends
Posted - 2004.11.10 00:26:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: roman
It would be nice. But I'm happy enough that I can train skills while not playing. Not a single other MMOG allows you to do that. Yet one more reason why EVE wtfpwns all.


Yeah Eve rules becuase of that.


Salusa VC
Posted - 2004.11.10 00:29:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Lowfat Yogurt
How many of you love this game but are way to busy and rarely home to keep up on skills? Some of us eve-onliners have lives, with jobs, school, and famliy that makes it hard to always be on-line. I like this game, and like the feel of able to progress while not online. It would be helpful to be able to change skills while at work thur the website. So us that have lives can keep up with those that have more time.


Bloody good idea!!

As long as you have an active account then why not?

MysticNZ
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2004.11.10 00:30:00 - [7]
 

This needs to be done. At the moment I have to VNC my computer at home from work (OMG TEH LAG!) and change them.

Im sure it has not been done because you could easily make a program to queue the skills up.

Would be very easy to do.

Thanit
Posted - 2004.11.10 00:38:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: MysticNZ
This needs to be done. At the moment I have to VNC my computer at home from work (OMG TEH LAG!) and change them.

Im sure it has not been done because you could easily make a program to queue the skills up.

Would be very easy to do.


Bingo.

Automated skilltraining and selling accounts ?

Lowfat Yogurt
Minmatar
Omni Tech Engineering
Needless Friends
Posted - 2004.11.10 00:42:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: MysticNZ
This needs to be done. At the moment I have to VNC my computer at home from work (OMG TEH LAG!) and change them.


Good point, but some of us can not load games onto our work computers. Something about conflict of interest.

Originally by: MysticNZ
Im sure it has not been done because you could easily make a program to queue the skills up.
Would be very easy to do.


More power to you. The way I look at it is Eve is a high tech game. Everything that is on my computer is what my character has on his hub. I use all sorts of programs that are not in Eve. Like Ventrilo! So what is wrong with making a program to queue your skills. That is one more helpful tool they SHOULD have anyways for us busy peeps. For once there is a game that the busy people can keep up. Eve should relize this and make it even easier.

Eugene Spencer
Rodents of Unusual Size
Posted - 2004.11.10 01:13:00 - [10]
 

this has been requested hundreds of times since i started playing (over 14 months ago). Althought it's a good idea, it's not going to happen. Ever. So say the devs. I dont care tho, if i expect to be away from the game for any length of time that'll not allow me to train shorter skills, i just ad a day or soonto training towards BS level 5 :)

Druid R
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
Posted - 2004.11.10 04:04:00 - [11]
 

its not goign to happen cause then u could buy second account, give him **** load of money and remotely train up skills to sell account, ccp want u in-game playing, not messing about on a website.

mahhy
MASS
Posted - 2004.11.10 08:08:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: mahhy on 10/11/2004 08:11:54
Originally by: Lowfat Yogurt
How many of you love this game but are way to busy and rarely home to keep up on skills? Some of us eve-onliners have lives, with jobs, school, and famliy that makes it hard to always be on-line. I like this game, and like the feel of able to progress while not online. It would be helpful to be able to change skills while at work thur the website. So us that have lives can keep up with those that have more time.


I have a job, and a RL. And I say no! Very Happy

Seriously, CCP's said no before, and I hope they continue to say no. Skill progression while busy with RL just means you need to think and plan a little. Usually about 2-5 days in advance Wink

Give it a try, it really isn't that hard.

Edit: you are aware you can cancel a skill before its done training and not lose any skill points right? Means you can switch to longer skills if your short term skill currently training is going to end at an inconvienent time.

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2004.11.10 08:11:00 - [13]
 

Actually logging on should be rewarded so no, never.

Mirus Crosius
Caldari
Amok.
Minor Threat.
Posted - 2004.11.10 08:12:00 - [14]
 

If not the facility to change skills out of game - which I'm not sure whether it be a good idea or not... then maybe a new skill that allows you to "queue" skill training...

I.e, a high level skill allowing you to queue one extra skill per level.

It's just a thought.


Mangold
Mad Bombers
Guns and Alcohol
Posted - 2004.11.10 08:13:00 - [15]
 

Login - play - manage skill.

No login - no play - no skill change.

It's as easy as that.

Synex
Gallente
PCG Enterprises
Posted - 2004.11.10 08:16:00 - [16]
 

Oh boy... this old chestnut...

Yes, it's a great idea.
I'd like it to happen.
You'd like it to happen.
It's never going to happen.

Keep on dreaming... dreamer boy.

Thraxll
Minmatar
D'Ahrk Prophesy
Posted - 2004.11.10 08:20:00 - [17]
 

Been a few months now so I may be a little off, but I'm thinking that after about, ohhh, my first FEW DAYS of playing I had skills leveled to the point that the next lvl would take at least half a day to train (and probably already had a few multi-day ones at that point.) There's no reason you can't login before you go to work in the morning and set yourself to a "long" skill.

Really, people, what's the issue here?




The Sloth
Posted - 2004.11.10 08:36:00 - [18]
 

As you can see it will never happen -

Originally by: kieron
Skills are not going to be queued, nor are they going to be selectable by web, it will not be possible to train two skills on 1 character for an account upgrade, nor will it be possible to train 2 skills on 1 account. All these things have been discussed long ago and rejected. The skill system is in place for a variety of reasons, ranging from immersion to exploitability prevention.

In short, any changes to the skill system that simplify training to the point that the game trains everything for you, or allows you to train more than 1 skill at a time are not going to happen.
Taken from here.

I am usually quite busy in real life, however, I do not find any difficulty in training quicker skills whilst I am online and longer skills when I am not. As you are most probably aware, switching skills to another whilst you are training will not cost you any skill points.

The fact is this game is meant to be played. If you want to achieve something in-game you will have to log in.

If you played any other game that did not involve a real-time skill training system would you complain that you could not gain XP and level up whilst you are not playing?


The Sloth.

GeoNoSiS
Erasers inc.
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2004.11.10 08:37:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Lowfat Yogurt
How many of you love this game but are way to busy and rarely home to keep up on skills? Some of us eve-onliners have lives, with jobs, school, and famliy that makes it hard to always be on-line. I like this game, and like the feel of able to progress while not online. It would be helpful to be able to change skills while at work thur the website. So us that have lives can keep up with those that have more time.


sry but itīs not gonna happen... CCP ainīt gonna "reward" someone that doesnīt log on... so peep downVery Happy

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2004.11.10 09:20:00 - [20]
 

I'm not sure I understand the 'log into the game' attitude.
How is logging into the eve game client any better than logging into a website?
I can log onto eve and switch skills in a minute, I don't have to play the game. How would having that facility whilst I am at work make any difference? (Actually I can log on to eve on my laptop at work, but pretend I didn't tell you that).
I would be all for web skill training, provided it has security measures in place to prevent automation (maybe one of those graphical boxes where you have to type the code you see?)
I'd go further - I want a mini eve for my mobile phone or pda so I can do station stuff whilst aways from my PC!

It is about time a mmog embraced the communications technology available to us, to expand our gaming experience.
Mobile communications are the future, and yet it is a vastly underexploited resource.


Oh, anyone have a link to the mobile eve news reader? I changed phone and don't have it now :(

hatchette
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Posted - 2004.11.10 09:26:00 - [21]
 

I have a minmatar slave who queues my skills... you guys should get one too.

The Sloth
Posted - 2004.11.10 10:12:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Avon
I'm not sure I understand the 'log into the game' attitude.
How is logging into the eve game client any better than logging into a website?
I can log onto eve and switch skills in a minute, I don't have to play the game. How would having that facility whilst I am at work make any difference?


The difference is that people who actually log in and play the game get rewarded by being able to train and switch between those short skills more often (which is presumably why people want to be able skill training to be accessable from the web).

As I mentioned before, in most other games that do not have real-time skill training, you have to be playing the game to achieve skill level increases. These people never get to increase their skill level whilst they are offline. Whilst playing some of these other games I have never seen someone complain about not being able to increase their skill levels whilst not actually playing.

In Eve we are afforded this luxury and are able to train skills whilst offline most of the time. If you are unable/unwilling to manage you skills in the method I previously suggested and have something going on in your life so that when your skill training is completed you will not be able to start training a new one, then that is to your disadvantage. People who play the game more often are rewarded.

If you are unwilling/unable to dedicate as much time playing Eve as some people do, then that is your choice. In every game I have ever played, 'Hard Core Gamers' always have advantages over 'Casual Gamers'. In Eve this advantage is minimised, but not gone.


The Sloth.

Elenefreya
Caldari
The Caldari Confederation
Posted - 2004.11.10 10:18:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Elenefreya on 10/11/2004 10:22:08
Edited by: Elenefreya on 10/11/2004 10:21:43
Originally by: mahhy


Edit: you are aware you can cancel a skill before its done training and not lose any skill points right? Means you can switch to longer skills if your short term skill currently training is going to end at an inconvienent time.


Every morning i log on before work set a 7/8 hours skill going adn before i log off at night set anotehr 7/8 hours skill going (well 6 now ^_^) all it takes is a little plannign and bingo there we go...tis the reason all but 2 of my skills cos theyre new from last night are levl 2/3 even 4

Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2004.11.10 11:06:00 - [24]
 

Lowfat, one more thing.

What CCP SHOULD and not should have for you in the way of helpfull tools and mechanics allowing you to be offline alot is their decision alone and noone elses.

The way you say it you sound like a spoilt child demanding a cookie.

CCP has its reasons for not making this possible. Respect them and move on.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2004.11.10 11:20:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Avon on 10/11/2004 11:23:09
Originally by: The Sloth


The difference is that people who actually log in and play the game get rewarded by being able to train and switch between those short skills more often (which is presumably why people want to be able skill training to be accessable from the web).



I think you missed my point.
Why is the 'Game Client' the holy grail?
I can get my laptop out at work and change skill, no probs - so how would using a web interface be any different? In what way would it change the balance of Eve?

I want to see aspects of Eve available in more ways, not less. All the game client is, is a way to access the eve universe, it isn't the be all and end all of it.

Having parts of Eve available on my mobile or PDA would be cool.
Unfortunately I am not able to loaf around the house all day. You may think unemployed parasites or young kids are 'powergamers', but I hold a different view. I don't see that they should have an edge over me just because they don't have to work. Working gives me the money to buy great toys, let me use them to access Eve! :)

(I know not everyone who loafs around the house all day is a kid or an unemployed parasite ...)

Meccano
Posted - 2004.11.10 11:39:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Avon
Edited by: Avon on 10/11/2004 11:23:09
Originally by: The Sloth


The difference is that people who actually log in and play the game get rewarded by being able to train and switch between those short skills more often (which is presumably why people want to be able skill training to be accessable from the web).



I think you missed my point.
Why is the 'Game Client' the holy grail?
I can get my laptop out at work and change skill, no probs - so how would using a web interface be any different? In what way would it change the balance of Eve?

I want to see aspects of Eve available in more ways, not less. All the game client is, is a way to access the eve universe, it isn't the be all and end all of it.

Having parts of Eve available on my mobile or PDA would be cool.
Unfortunately I am not able to loaf around the house all day. You may think unemployed parasites or young kids are 'powergamers', but I hold a different view. I don't see that they should have an edge over me just because they don't have to work. Working gives me the money to buy great toys, let me use them to access Eve! :)

(I know not everyone who loafs around the house all day is a kid or an unemployed parasite ...)


there should be no possible way to directly affect anything in-game using external mechanics.

this includes changing skills as much as ,for example, remotely purchasing items on the market.

Devs have it right - u must be in game to play the game. the current system of skills continuing to train while u are offline is the best solution there is.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2004.11.10 11:51:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Meccano

there should be no possible way to directly affect anything in-game using external mechanics.

this includes changing skills as much as ,for example, remotely purchasing items on the market.

Devs have it right - u must be in game to play the game. the current system of skills continuing to train while u are offline is the best solution there is.



I am sure people are just ignoring what I post.

I am talking about expanding what 'IN GAME' is.

Why is the the Eve-Online game client for PC the only possibly acceptable interface to access the game?
Seems like a pretty narrow minded attitude to me.

blahh
Posted - 2004.11.10 11:56:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Meccano

there should be no possible way to directly affect anything in-game using external mechanics.

this includes changing skills as much as ,for example, remotely purchasing items on the market.

Devs have it right - u must be in game to play the game. the current system of skills continuing to train while u are offline is the best solution there is.


Um, it takes one minute to log in, change skills, and quit. Your hardly "playing the game" then are you, seriously, what difference is it going to make whether you use a web browser or the EVE client for that 1minute? Absolutely **** all, except for the fact that one method requires you to have a few gb HDD space and a decent spec computer. If they wanted to they could quite easily implement a method of skill training that prevents queuing from being possible (using those graphical code things they do on most web hosting sites and some forums), so thats not a valid argument either.

I dont really mind either way, but i dont think the argument against implementing skill training via the website makes any sense at all.

The Mariachi
Tijuana Technologies
Posted - 2004.11.10 11:56:00 - [29]
 

Ah, this has been requested heaps of times in the past. But to no avail, the Devs have been against it, probably for various reasons. Like the others said, if you want to advance your character's skills, then you should be online to do so. The MMORPGS that I've played in the past have never allowed me to adjust specific character settings such as skill training outside of the game. Whilst there can always be a "first" for MMORPGS, the potential for misuse is fairly high. I think we're already quite lucky enough to have a listing of all of our skills and their current status outside of game as it is!

Although most of the users of an out of game skill trainer would probably be honest, there are always a select few who set up a new acct and train up a character (solely out of game) just to sell it a few months down the line on Ebay or the like. This would defeat the "honest" purpose of the out-of-game skill training feature.

Aside from this, with a bit of planning, you can easily make use of your "offline" time to train up skills that take a longer period of time. Some people keep lvl 5 skills to periods of time when they can't come online, for example during holidays, business trips etc. And for those longer holiday periods you can always train Gallente Industrial lvl 5 or Cruiser LvL 5 =)

/me thinks of the time it takes to train Research Project Management to lvl 5 Twisted Evil

mariachi

Kitten Hearder
Caldari
Posted - 2004.11.10 12:40:00 - [30]
 

If wishes were horses, Eve players would dine quite well.


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