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Vherr Arkhar
Posted - 2009.11.29 22:45:00 - [31]
 

Show him the trailers and tell him that all those ships he sees are flown by players in the game. :P

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2009.11.29 23:29:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Vherr Arkhar
Show him the trailers and tell him that all those ships he sees you flew by multiboxing :p


fixed

coolzero
Gallente
Posted - 2009.11.30 00:29:00 - [33]
 

i tried to do then same till i said you needed a IQ to play eve.......99.9 of the wow players i asked ran away...

dont bring the WoW kiddies to EVE (unless they are mature players then feel WoW turned into a L33t kiddie game..)

Shi Lang
Gallente
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.30 00:37:00 - [34]
 

A geek is someone who recieves enjoyments from a hobby that is fun and turns it into an effort that is not fun, for example to most normal people a video game is a fun hobby, a geek turns it into a competitive sport.

EVE is geek bait because the 'hobby fun' is already taken out of it :D

Sarenaa
Posted - 2009.11.30 00:42:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Sarenaa on 30/11/2009 00:43:04
I'm going to admit something shameful now. I caved and started playing WoW semi-recently. (after stopping eve for well over a year)

I'll admit it's acutally kind of fun in a perverse way, but ultimitely a total waste of time (kind of like a jigsaw) grind monster, buy better hat, grind harder monster. I tried the pvp and... what utter bull****. You die, you comeback to life, rinse repeat.

Hence why I have now done the sane thing and resubbed to EVE.

Eve is like quitting smoking... you swear you are done for good, then you magically have a new packet.


Edit: Then as ususal, the server dies.

Zeomebuch Nova
Posted - 2009.11.30 01:33:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Zeomebuch Nova on 30/11/2009 01:36:19
Edited by: Zeomebuch Nova on 30/11/2009 01:35:28
What i myself have experienced as a newbe:

Its not the (overrated) complexity of the game nor it's (also overrated) learn curve the things that scare people to get into the game with some good expectations, but the fact of time based infinite skills you need to be able to be a decent pilot, no matter in what area, although in PvP you notice it a lot more.

This means the only way you truly are going to defeat a 2003/2004 born character, is bringing a whole fleet of 2008/2009 born Chars or a couple of bit older ones.
So, comparing this to EVERY other mmrpog (excluding generic korean, unlimited skill games), you will have to stick quite some years in EvE so you can finally go around and claim: "my Character is to your Character as 1 is to 1 (1:1).

I know the game is not about 1vs1, but I think the reason I named above is one of the main demoralizing fact for newbs.

Short: You will need quite long (instead of 2 or 3 months leveling/gearing in other games) to become an experienced old dog and in the meanwhile you will have to respect the ones like "end bosses", who will stalk and kill you. Or, well, try to hunt them down with a whole fleet where you are most likely gonna die first.
So basically no matter what you think you can do in-game to avoid or forget this fact, you will, as a newb, still have the feeling you will never be able to catch those oldies up or in oder words, you are always going to be less, time beig the main factor.

Ps: of course you can still have fun, but this (read above) is something that many people comming from RPG games, used all to be heros of the middle aged fantasy world, will somehow disturb or even scare. I find this reason legitim enough and therefore I would'nt go around expecting friends to stick with Eve nor would'nt i go "discriminating" them because they play a more pop toonish game, which in no case means it's easier to be good at it.

Rhanna Khurin
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2009.11.30 02:17:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Rhanna Khurin on 30/11/2009 02:17:47
Originally by: Zeomebuch Nova

What i myself have experienced as a newbe:


To an extent what you have said is true. Although if you want to fly an interceptor for example, a 2003 player can only be so good at it, and within a month or two you can rival the skills of anyone at that particular ship type

Lt Pizi
Gallente
Dark-Rising
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2009.11.30 02:25:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Lt Pizi on 30/11/2009 02:26:03
4) make small roamings in frig throuw low-sec for pvp (pherhaps join FW)

this

find a decent FW corp and fly with them, you will have smalle to medium battles , a few carriers tackled maybe and with luck you kill one in the 14 day trail

edit: i recommand minmatar , they are great ppl , or gallente

Tordun
Posted - 2009.11.30 03:55:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Tordun on 30/11/2009 03:58:14

I converted myself to EVE, but a lot of will was required. WoW was becoming more and more dull, each patch seemed to make the game more and more stupid. Granted, EVE might not be brain-surgery but at least CCP doesn't hold their players in a leash (and the game is a lot more complex).

I had always read about EVE in my PC-magazines and on the internet. All these amazing stuff the players come up with, without the interference of the game's creators! I think I hadn't played WoW for about 2 months when a friend of mine invited me to the game, and I had been pondering whether to try this game for a long time. This invite sealed the deal, and here I am. I've played EVE for about 2 months and I'm loving the complexity and the freedom. I didn't think I would survive my first day through! ARRRGH so MANY screens and so MANY settings! Rolling Eyes

Also; Never EVER compare WoW to EVE. Its like comparing apples with oranges.

Mocam
Posted - 2009.11.30 04:04:00 - [40]
 

Selling eve to a WoW fan can be tricky.

Lots of advice here but where they're coming from can make a big difference. Many EVE trial types find it excruciatingly painful that they can't get into PvP, in a PvP centric game, from the start. The ADD syndrome kicks in and they just give up to find something they can jump into and hit the ground running with.

If they're coming from a PvE server, you can pretty much forget them joining this game unless they are into PvE big time but find WoW's environment to be "too simplistic". Many WoW players do PvP on the PvE servers because they can get into it and have fairly straight/even fights from the start -- day 3 on a char and you can be in BG's doing "fair" team fights in WoW. That doesn't happen here in EVE and the penalties for losing here are much steeper than in WoW.

If they're coming from a PvP server, you might be able to get them involved in the game here. The massively slower pace to get into PvP decently can be offset by getting into a corp where they are participating as a team member. Many WoW PvP types solo a lot and that doesn't work anywhere near as well, for a very long time, in EVE. The time it takes to get into even a battle cruiser class ship and use it decently... they'll have 1-2 level 80 chars running around nailing a dozen or more folks a week, all by themselves.

The lack of penalties (as in ability to get up and run again immediately) combined with the "fair fights" vs here... That appeals to a certain type of player. The longer time frames to build up along with the complexity of learning this game will appeal to a different type of player. I wouldn't say either type is superior vs just being different but those differences can and will make a difference in who will find this game fascinating vs frustrating.

Omal Oma
Shadowed Command
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2009.11.30 04:33:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Omal Oma on 30/11/2009 04:33:22


As a newbie to EVE, I've tried to find a way to describe EVE to my friends who have interest, but really don't understand the game.

So, here's what I tell them:

EVE is a giant MMORTS where you are a small tiny part of a massive map which tens of thousands of people fight over.

Imagine you can own a zone in <insert MMO here> and your guild gains resources from said zone. These resources get you better gear and weapons. Now, it's not just one faction after you, any guild (corp in EVE) can come and take that zone from you. They can kill your character and leave you naked.

If you don't have the resources to replenish your gear, you'll be naked for longer. The more resources you have, the faster you can get back in the fight.



It's the best description I can give them. I then proceed to tell them how they are pansies for playing a game with no penalty for dieing.



Squatdog
State Protectorate
Posted - 2009.11.30 05:04:00 - [42]
 

The biggest selling point is the brutal PVP and how alliances are engaged in massive wars to literally control entire regions.

I got a bunch of people interested by showing them the original Titan kill highlight video

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2009.11.30 06:01:00 - [43]
 

The easiest selling point is: "EvE is for adults".

Plim
Gallente
Everything Financial
Posted - 2009.11.30 06:05:00 - [44]
 

"It's psychopaths in space".

I think that's a good pitch.

Haraldhardrade
Amarr
Pax Amarr
Posted - 2009.11.30 07:22:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Den Ortur
Edited by: Den Ortur on 28/11/2009 19:35:11
A couple friends of mine are WOW players. I know...I know...you're thinking "How can you stand to be in the same room as them?" Truth be told, they're actually decent people.




WITCH! BURN THE WITCH!!


On a more serious note : Tell them that EVE is like a good wine. If they have any sense of sophistication or culture, it will be enough to convince them.

Berendas
Posted - 2009.11.30 08:12:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Xenon Barinade
Learning Curve!!


I'm the guy driving the bulldozer.

Colonel Xaven
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2009.11.30 08:44:00 - [47]
 

I think "convincing" people to EVE is not a good way. Those are the people who come to the forums and cry rivers of tears for every little reason.
EVE is a special MMO and not made for the masses like WoW.

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2009.11.30 09:15:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Berendas
Originally by: Xenon Barinade
Learning Curve!!


I'm the guy driving the bulldozer.


i am the bulldozer :)

Stratio
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Damu'Khonde
Posted - 2009.11.30 09:22:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Vherr Arkhar
Show him the trailers and tell him that all those ships he sees are flown by players in the game. :P

This.

I think Butterfly Effect is a great intro to what makes EVE special .. then get them to try Red vs Blue. Cool

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2009.11.30 09:26:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Stratio
Originally by: Vherr Arkhar
Show him the trailers and tell him that all those ships he sees are flown by players in the game. :P

This.

I think Butterfly Effect is a great intro to what makes EVE special .. then get them to try Red vs Blue. Cool


Or factional warfare. i had some good times in FW when it first came out.

Raimo
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.11.30 09:29:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: Stratio
Originally by: Vherr Arkhar
Show him the trailers and tell him that all those ships he sees are flown by players in the game. :P

This.

I think Butterfly Effect is a great intro to what makes EVE special .. then get them to try Red vs Blue. Cool


Or factional warfare. i had some good times in FW when it first came out.


RvB is a lot better for a new player than current FW...

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2009.11.30 09:33:00 - [52]
 

didn't say it was better just said i had some good times

Mrs Snowman
Posted - 2009.11.30 09:59:00 - [53]
 

You simply cant "convince" them in the normal way. Even trying to get them to do a trial is almost pointless, because they approach the game already, psychologically determined to not like it.

They have to decide on their own one day to do the trial, to learn on their own the basics and then they need to come to you to ask questions, on their own!

If you try to force or josstle or make out that Eve is amazing, they will always be disappointed. You just have to let their own curiosity lead them here and let them learn at their own pace.

Saarik
Posted - 2009.11.30 11:34:00 - [54]
 

just show them the Tv tropes article.

Takseen
Posted - 2009.11.30 17:42:00 - [55]
 

Definitely PvP is the best way to sell it to them early on. Buy em some cheap frigates and let them at it. Early EVE PvE content(missions, mining etc) won't sell the game to them because quite frankly it can't compete with WoW there. And the whole controlling territory/empire building/industry/research area of the game probably won't be available to them in the first few days.
Since you're bringing them in as an established player you'll give them a bunch of advantages over someone who joins cold, so to speak. You can give them enough cash to buy +3 implants and lots of spare ships, and get them into a trustworthy corp for lots of useful advice without the spam of Rookie/NPC corp chat.


Team Vulture
Posted - 2009.11.30 19:41:00 - [56]
 

I would usually start the tour by not speaking french.Laughing

cho0li0
Gallente
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2009.11.30 20:08:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Xenon Barinade

WoW = (Alliance vs Horde)^Grind
EvE = YOUR CHOICES x YOUR RULES x YOUR WORLD!!

Learning Curve!!
QFT

Zartanic
Posted - 2009.11.30 20:19:00 - [58]
 

I think a good bit of advice is 'forget everything you learned from WOW' That's also supported by the number of new players we get posting here who clearly apply WOW mechanics to EVE and then misunderstand the game.

I think the biggest danger is a new player reading some of the incorrect statements about EVE (such as you can't catch up with veterans or PVP from day one which is simply wrong) from players that tried the game, misunderstood how it worked and went off to moan about it.

I think the UI does not help either and that's very hard to get round with new players, its non intuitive and inconsistent. I find it frustrating now even though I'm used to it. Players from games with a polished or modable UI could easily be put off before the get a chance to understand the game.

Saulc Neslo
Posted - 2009.11.30 20:35:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: coolzero
i tried to do then same till i said you needed a IQ to play eve.......99.9 of the wow players i asked ran away...

dont bring the WoW kiddies to EVE (unless they are mature players then feel WoW turned into a L33t kiddie game..)


Ha ha ha, there are some pretty stupid Eve players out there too you know.

I think the average wow-player has a higher IQ than the average wow-hater you'll find in EVE (especially those who havn't tried wow at all are pathetic) - after all it doesn't require a master's degree in rocket science to see that it's two different games.

Bodega Cat
Posted - 2009.11.30 20:36:00 - [60]
 

provide short term goals for them.

Tell them you want them to be able to fit a particular type of fitting by the weekend etc. (I want your incursus to have a damage control on the lows with an armor repairer, and railguns in the highs, and be able to bring a drone.)

Take them exploring etc.


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