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Sviatoslav KillJoy
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.11.28 18:08:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Sviatoslav KillJoy on 28/11/2009 18:14:33
Im going to be buying a straight up built computer, my price range is $1500 - $2,000 USD. I havent been up to date with technology, so I will need some help. Any links will be very helptful.

ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Underworld Protection Agency
South Pole Dancers
Posted - 2009.11.28 19:34:00 - [2]
 

Advice: don't. You'll be far better off building your own.

hired goon
Posted - 2009.11.28 19:57:00 - [3]
 

I agree. I haven't checked alienware in a while (which a lot of people like when wanting pre built) but the last time I did they were offering stupidly uneeded and overpriced things like 24gb of ram in cases that were imo very ugly. They gear their stuff towards gamers who don't know about hardware, and are wooed by big numbers and flashy names like "quad SLI" while you're sold a system where the CPU is the bottleneck. I'd say do a bit of research and build your own.

Or scout a build and post it here for some geeky feedback :D

dr doooo
Posted - 2009.11.28 21:39:00 - [4]
 



I've also been doing a bit of research into my next computer recently, but I'm the other side of the pond, and am planning on building my own (and spending less cash than you are looking at), so I can't help you with specifics. The Tom's Hardware site is the best source of info I've found about the current state of the market/best buys etc. They don't deal with the pre-built market, but the site will still give you a good idea about what you should be looking to find inside your new case, and relative component prices for this month.

If you are looking to buy just the computer for that sort of money, in my limited knowledge it doesn't look like it is really worth it. The difference in performance between that price range and a computer that is less than half that price is apparently minimal when it comes to real world usage ATM.



Sviatoslav KillJoy
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.11.29 00:10:00 - [5]
 

Right on, thank you. Does any one know of a website or two that offer a general knowledge database regarding making custom computers?

Sviatoslav KillJoy
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.11.29 05:09:00 - [6]
 

Question: If a motherboard says that it has a PCI Express x16 slot, would a video card that is PCI 2.0 Express x16 be compatible with that motherboard?

#2: Windows 7, 64-bit, does it come with any retail version of Windows 7? The reason why I ask is because I researching and I dont want to install 32-bit on my next computer.

Lance Fighter
Amarr
Posted - 2009.11.29 06:37:00 - [7]
 

yes to question two. Got a package here with two disks - one 32 bit, one 64 bit, Home premium, win7.

Joethelions
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2009.11.29 09:03:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Sviatoslav KillJoy
Question: If a motherboard says that it has a PCI Express x16 slot, would a video card that is PCI 2.0 Express x16 be compatible with that motherboard?

#2: Windows 7, 64-bit, does it come with any retail version of Windows 7? The reason why I ask is because I researching and I dont want to install 32-bit on my next computer.


You need Win7 x64.

And yes to question one, if you're buying a modern motherboard.

I can spec you out a very nice computer for the lower end of your budget....

I'm assuming you have mouse/keyboard/monitor and don't want to overclock.

CPU
Case
HDD(For your stuffs)
SSD(for your OS)
Motherboard
Memory
GPU x 2
PSU
CD Drive
Cooler(kinda debatable whether you need an aftermarket if you're not overclocking. I would since Intel stock HS is not so great)

Came out to around $1700 USD with shipping. I would highly recommend building your own computer. It's a very good experience that I think everyone can benefit from doing, at least once in your lifetime. Smile

Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Posted - 2009.11.29 15:42:00 - [9]
 

http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/17571

I think that's probably worth reading, but you might want to update a few components with more recent ones. I'd advise against multi-GPU setups until you've at least tried a single GPU - most of the time it's not worth spending the extra money, and it makes the rest of the system more expensive - you need a bigger motherboard and higher capacity PSU, and your power bills will higher. You probably wouldn't notice much of a difference unless you had an enormous monitor or went with a multi-monitor setup.

Joethelions
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2009.11.30 00:41:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/17571

I think that's probably worth reading, but you might want to update a few components with more recent ones. I'd advise against multi-GPU setups until you've at least tried a single GPU - most of the time it's not worth spending the extra money, and it makes the rest of the system more expensive - you need a bigger motherboard and higher capacity PSU, and your power bills will higher. You probably wouldn't notice much of a difference unless you had an enormous monitor or went with a multi-monitor setup.



If he's going to spend $1500, it's hard not to get a multi-GPU system. And multi-GPU systems upgrade better than single GPU systems. For example, instead of buying the two GTX275s that I recommended, he can buy one now, and when he needs more capability buy a second GTX275 that will cost quite a bit less and still improve his performance.

Sviatoslav KillJoy
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.11.30 00:45:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Sviatoslav KillJoy on 30/11/2009 00:45:40
Thank your for the information, the reason why question number 1 came up is because I want to stick with DDR2 for the fact that it is cheaper is only slightly less efficient than DDR3.

Edit: So I guess my next question is, would it be more beneficial in the long run to upgrade to DDR3 right away?

Neyro7830
Gallente
Red Federation
Posted - 2009.11.30 02:12:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Neyro7830 on 30/11/2009 02:14:21
Originally by: Sviatoslav KillJoy
Edited by: Sviatoslav KillJoy on 30/11/2009 00:45:40
Thank your for the information, the reason why question number 1 came up is because I want to stick with DDR2 for the fact that it is cheaper is only slightly less efficient than DDR3.

Edit: So I guess my next question is, would it be more beneficial in the long run to upgrade to DDR3 right away?


might as well spend the extra 5$ and get DDR3 broheim

I suggest going with a AM3 mobo, support for them will be around for a while, like for instance the new bulldozer processors (6 core+) will just be drop in compatible. Plus for the cost of a i5/i7+ decent mobo you can get a very high end AMD mobo/cpu combo and still save more for a better GPU/HDD/RAM, etc etc.

edit: go with 5X series ATI cards. DX11, albeit hard to come by atm.

Joethelions
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2009.11.30 03:20:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Sviatoslav KillJoy
Edited by: Sviatoslav KillJoy on 30/11/2009 00:45:40
Thank your for the information, the reason why question number 1 came up is because I want to stick with DDR2 for the fact that it is cheaper is only slightly less efficient than DDR3.

Edit: So I guess my next question is, would it be more beneficial in the long run to upgrade to DDR3 right away?


Yeah, so you might as well get a MoBo that supports DDR3 bro, cause soon it'll be quite a bit better. So yeah, you can buy the DDR3 mobo now or later.

I agree, AM3 is pretty good if you're on a budget. However he has some nice RL isk to spend, so he might as well go with Intel as the i5/i7 currently outclass Phenom II.

Sviatoslav KillJoy
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.11.30 03:41:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Sviatoslav KillJoy on 30/11/2009 03:42:15
So far this is what I am planning for the moment.

Radeon HD 5970

Asus Motherboard + AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition

Later on, Ill do a crossfire if I feel it is needed.

Neyro7830
Gallente
Red Federation
Posted - 2009.11.30 03:49:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Sviatoslav KillJoy
Edited by: Sviatoslav KillJoy on 30/11/2009 03:42:15
So far this is what I am planning for the moment.

Radeon HD 5970

Asus Motherboard + AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition

Later on, Ill do a crossfire if I feel it is needed.



mmmmm sexy

Sviatoslav KillJoy
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.11.30 07:19:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Neyro7830
Originally by: Sviatoslav KillJoy
Edited by: Sviatoslav KillJoy on 30/11/2009 03:42:15
So far this is what I am planning for the moment.

Radeon HD 5970

Asus Motherboard + AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition

Later on, Ill do a crossfire if I feel it is needed.



mmmmm sexy



I lied YARRRR!! I have a 3k spending range, just didnt want to spend s whole lot. But Direct 11x thingi sounds promicing

Thermoss Devlin
Minmatar
StarFleet Enterprises
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2009.11.30 07:51:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Thermoss Devlin on 30/11/2009 08:10:57
My suggestion would be the following as I actually quiet recently bought myself a new computer. Or built one so to speak:)

Motherboard - Asus (can't remember the modelname)
CPU - Intel i7 920
GPU - Asus ATI Radeon 5870 2st (crossfire)
Ram - 8 gig ram
OS HDD - Corsair Extreme
Storage - 1x 500 gig
Powersuply - Corsair 1000 W


This setup works very well but I do not know if it is ATI but I get strange flickering in EVE from time to time and missing textures in some other games. But overall this setup is kickass. I do not know how much it would cost though in USD.

Ademaro Imre
Caldari
Posted - 2009.11.30 08:25:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Sviatoslav KillJoy
Edited by: Sviatoslav KillJoy on 28/11/2009 18:14:33
Im going to be buying a straight up built computer, my price range is $1500 - $2,000 USD. I havent been up to date with technology, so I will need some help. Any links will be very helptful.


If you need a computer to run eve smoothly, you can easily build a tower for $350, not counting the operating system. Then you can save money and get a second monitor, because a $350 system can smoothly run two clients at one time.

TRD 2371
Posted - 2009.11.30 08:59:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: TRD 2371 on 30/11/2009 09:13:07
id do it like this:

amd x3 phenon 720 with xtra silent fan (chance to unlock 4th core)

gigabyte ud3 something something am3 board

almost everyone gets these two

then

4gigs of random ram 1066

4870 or 4890 ati card with a silent fan or entirely passive

wd caviar green sata hdd
silent power thingie 480w
random silent case ( go to a case shop )


thats maybe around 500-600$ for a quality silent system


more u dont really need except you want to play crysis on 4439x8348 16x aa with 9289340234 fps

id rather make it all silent

oh and for benchmark check tomshardwareguide.com

theyre the best

if u then still feel u need more u can always go an upgrade it later on for a cheaper price
and there will be better drivers out

5890 doesnt have proper drivers yet

you would buy hardware still in beta state

hired goon
Posted - 2009.12.02 10:19:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Sviatoslav KillJoy
Edited by: Sviatoslav KillJoy on 30/11/2009 03:42:15
So far this is what I am planning for the moment.

Radeon HD 5970

Asus Motherboard + AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition

Later on, Ill do a crossfire if I feel it is needed.


Be careful. With that setup, the CPU is actually a bottleneck (Even though it's the fastest AMD offer; they can't even keep up with their own cards Rolling Eyes ) If you want the absolutely insane and pretty much unneeded 5970, make sure you pair it with an overclocked Core i7 920. If you are sticking with the Phenom II 965 though, I'd recommend the 5850. You could maybe go for the 5870, but that might still be bottlenecked by the 965. I normally do all my research on Tom's Hardware, but they test every graphics card with a top i7 cpu, so they have room to 'breathe' in the benchmarks and show their true relative performance. That means however we don't know where exactly the bottleneck would be.

Reiisha
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.12.02 15:08:00 - [21]
 

I'd wait a couple of months for the new NVidia's to roll in. The HD5000's will become a lot cheaper, and as an added benefit so will the Core i7's.

Emma Royd
Caldari
Maddled Gommerils
Posted - 2009.12.02 21:44:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Emma Royd on 02/12/2009 21:45:25
nah you don't wanna build your own pc, do a convenience store over and get one of theseTwisted Evil

but more seriously, have a go, do some price checking and build your own, I wish I knew as much as I think I know when it comes to building pc's, fancy having a go at building another but can't afford atm.

Sviatoslav KillJoy
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.12.05 07:57:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: hired goon
Originally by: Sviatoslav KillJoy
Edited by: Sviatoslav KillJoy on 30/11/2009 03:42:15
So far this is what I am planning for the moment.

Radeon HD 5970

Asus Motherboard + AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition

what if I was going to overclock to 4.0 ghz, would that still be a bottleneck?

Later on, Ill do a crossfire if I feel it is needed.


Be careful. With that setup, the CPU is actually a bottleneck (Even though it's the fastest AMD offer; they can't even keep up with their own cards Rolling Eyes ) If you want the absolutely insane and pretty much unneeded 5970, make sure you pair it with an overclocked Core i7 920. If you are sticking with the Phenom II 965 though, I'd recommend the 5850. You could maybe go for the 5870, but that might still be bottlenecked by the 965. I normally do all my research on Tom's Hardware, but they test every graphics card with a top i7 cpu, so they have room to 'breathe' in the benchmarks and show their true relative performance. That means however we don't know where exactly the bottleneck would be.

Florio
Miniature Giant Space Hamsters
Posted - 2009.12.05 09:00:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Florio on 05/12/2009 09:00:27
What do you clever clogs guys think of the "1000 Specialist Gaming PC" on sale via PC Specialist? Good value/good build?

edit/ Bear in mind I don't have time/experience to build my own.

Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Posted - 2009.12.05 10:52:00 - [25]
 

Don't buy from them. I bought a machine from them and have regretted not building my own ever since. I had to send it back three times on warranty as well as dealing with multiple component failures.

They were generally very helpful when sorting out the warranty claims, but looking back I'd soone have spent the same time dealing with things on my own, rather than waiting at home all day for a delivery/collection.

Jonny Lumi
Gallente
Blend.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2009.12.05 13:00:00 - [26]
 

$1500-$2000 should get you pretty decent one, but I'd never go for pre-built ones.. Just offer few beers to someone to come and put those few parts together.

Just bought new stuff, I got away with 750e ($800-$900??)

AMD Phenom 2 x4 2.6g
Some Asus motherboard
4GB DDR3 (i don't really need more atm)
Geforce GTS 250
Compaq 22" 1920*1080
360gb SATA2 HD (had few HD:s already)
600w Power

Yeps, goes around 240-250fps in eve outside station with everything high (vsync off, HDR off). DA: Origins runs all time smoothly with everything maxed. Haven't tried other games much.

(BTW, I can't believe how sh*t the integrated sound cards are... I went back to my ancient Audigy 1.)

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2009.12.05 13:10:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: TRD 2371
wd caviar green sata hdd



for general storage, these things are awesome.


if getting the 1TB version, do try to get the 32mb buffer version (WD10EADS).


 

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