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Ikserak tai
Posted - 2009.11.23 17:21:00 - [61]
 

If STO is released in Feb, then why are there so few completed ships available to see on the official website?

Hard to believe they are going to even remotely approach Eve ship combat complexity, which is the unit of measure as far as I'm concerned.

Maybe they're thinking we all have a burning desire to be on an away team with a tri-corder in one hand and a phaser set on "stun". Can't wait to beam down and have an "extra" crew member be eaten by a giant Venusian Flytrap.

Nika Dekaia
Posted - 2009.11.23 17:38:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Fille Balle
Hi, I have ADHD, no clue and need instant gratification
Maybe go play an fps or something.

1OfMany
Posted - 2009.11.23 18:34:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Ikserak tai
Maybe they're thinking we all have a burning desire to be on an away team with a tri-corder in one hand and a phaser set on "stun". Can't wait to beam down and have an "extra" crew member be eaten by a giant Venusian Flytrap.


Atleast you know your classics Wink , the new one dies, thats a fact!

AshGear
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2009.11.23 20:18:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Fille Balle
I'll tell you what bothers me about this game. Not that there's nothing to do, but that it takes forever to actually do it. Running missions? Don't want to loose faction standings? No problem, decline the mission. Oh, another faction mission. Wait 4 hours, or travel to another agent, which takes about 45minutes. Fantabulous. Can I use the autopilot please? Yes, sure, but then it'll take 1h 30m.

Good stuff. Now why's that? Oh, because we have to cater to a few people that like to sit around and wait for an opportunity to shoot something valuable. That's very clever. Excellent game design.

Wanna run some plexes instead? Well, sure! Just spend hours scanning system after system, then spend half an hour to grab your plexing ship, then spend 45m flying your plexing ship to the plex that you scanned down before.

Ok, that doesn't work for me, how about wormoles? Yeah, that sound exciting! Ah, but in wormholes, EVERYTHING has to be scanned down. Ok, no thanks. Looks like we're fresh out of pve options. Can I interest you in some pvp? SURE!

Ok, now you have to wait for an hour so all your m8's can join the fleet! Um, hang on, can't I just do this alone? No, this is a MMO, you have to interact with people! But, isn't shooting people a form of interaction? Yes, but they've all learn that the bigger blob wins, so they will shoot you first, and you will die.

Ok fantastic, is there anything I can do in this game without havinig top wait for hours before actually playing the game? Um, yes, you can run missions! Ok, fair enough. But be warned, most players frown upon this. Why? Because you don't have to wait for hours to actually play!

Yeah, whatever. Ok, accept mission. HEY, what's this now? I have to travel four jumps? And in to lowsec? Why of course! So that you interact with people! Um, you mean to give other people a chance to shoot me right? Well, yes. Because we the developers also frown upon you mission runners! But we have given you an option to cancel the mission once every four hours...

Ok, cancel. New mission. Fly to deadspace... HEY, HOW COME microwarpdrives don't work? Oh, that's because then you could fly really fast in mission spaces, and we don't want that. Ok, I'm not even gonna ask why. NVM, I'm sure I can manage without. Okey cokey. Mission, rats, loot. Good times. All done. Oh no, there's a gate... WTF?!?! THIS GATE IS 50KM AWAY FROM THE WARP IN POINT! Oh yes, we thought that would be fun without a MWD.

Neutral

On top of that, we nerfed the speed of battleships! Now you can spend even more time flying from gate to gate! Oh great. Fantastic. WHY? TIME SINK! If you didn't spend all that time flying from A to B, you'd be earning far too much cash! We can't have that, now can we? But wouldn't it make more sense to just add other things to do that don't yield any monetary rewards?

Yes, but that would take a lot of time and effort to implement. So we did it this way instead.

tl;dr: There too many time sinks in this game, and the excuses for keeping them make no sense. Other games offer you something to do while traveling, like random NPC's attacking you. Why can't eve have this?


Well sure your right but eve is still unique Laughing but anyways STO look like n awesome game i see no reason as to why not to try it out..

About the time issue its pretty simple Idea the more time you spend on this game the more money CCP makes Wink

Giribaldi
Posted - 2009.11.23 20:25:00 - [65]
 

TBH guys ive beta tested for them and tbh ill nvr pla that game unless they introduce a pvp sector of the game and increase the graphics and give us complet control of the ship cus atm u contral it with wsad and ur camera veiw so if u look down and press w itll go down its pretty horibble tbh nothing liek the cababilties of eve i mean serisly eve is better

EVE TILL I DIE!

Traidor Disloyal
Private Nuisance
Segregati0n
Posted - 2009.11.23 21:15:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: 1OfMany
If you want a real PVP game, go buy SOF or CoD MOAH or whatever Unreal tournament...

I always get a kick out of it when I see stuff like this on the forums (or any forum). It's on par with "Man, in Eve if you want real PvP you need to go out to Low Sec/O.O/The Backyard".

You want real PvP? Go outside, go to the most rundown part of your town, and then hit the first big MoFo you see. That should get you some PvP.

Real PvP? What the heck is real PvP?

Izo Alabaster
Posted - 2009.11.23 22:07:00 - [67]
 

Edited by: Izo Alabaster on 23/11/2009 22:07:55
Confirmed: EVE is dying. You should all migrate out now, and contract me your stuffs. Rolling Eyes

Vall Kor
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.11.23 22:52:00 - [68]
 

I'm actually looking forward to it. PVE is horrible in EVE, and unless you want to mine or use real life money for ISK it's all you got. And what kind of MMO doesn't support grouping for missions? I know, I know EVE is only for teh PVP and no one ever pve's... That's why they spent all that time and money working on epic arcs and such...

I'm the odd ball MMO player that enjoys group play, and outside of PVP EVE doesn't offer anything. Now, I'm not saying zomg EVE is dying. But, a space based game that allows me to actually play with friends is a huge plus in my book.

One day someone will hit that 'perfect' storm of play for a space based MMO, and with what I see from CCP they'll be late to the party.

I've always enjoyed space based games, and with WoW crap finally winding down it's nice to see something other than fantasy MMOs.

I'll give STO a shot, and will also give stars wars a shot when/if it comes out. Hell, I may even try Jump Gate if Rolling Eyes it ever actually comes out.....

Shawna Gray
Gallente
Posted - 2009.11.23 23:00:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Wet Ferret
Originally by: Shawna Gray
The players that cant stand bubbles dont see them either as they are not in 0.0

Get some friends, pvp is more fun with bubbles around.


There's nothing that discourages PvP more than the giant, undulating I-WIN button that is the mobile warp disruptor. Gee I wonder why 85% of the EVE population sits in high-sec, could it be because just entering 0.0 is practically guaranteed death? And sitting on a bubble is practically the definition of "boring". Worst mechanic in any game ever.

Now you may carry on.


Use the right ships if you fly solo in hostile territory and bubbles are not that much of a problem. Otherwise, again get some friends to scout. Its a team game after all.

Bubbles make pvp more fun than pvp with uncatchable ships. Bubbles make it possible to actually defend a territory to a certain degree.

Lemmy Kravitz
Minmatar
Rebirth.
Posted - 2009.11.24 11:13:00 - [70]
 

I've said this once before and I'll say it again, I'd stop playing EvE at the drop of a hat if. I can loot the corpse in WOW and make someone cry. Seriously, if I can take another's stuff in Wow, and he loses it permanetly. I'd play wow all the time. But only two games I know of that lets you do this. Old School Ultima Online, and EvE. And I tried Ultima like two years ago and unfortunaly I couldn't take the crappy graphics. so it's eve until Eve 2.0 or something better comes out.

tib0
Posted - 2009.11.24 11:44:00 - [71]
 

STO trailer looks quite lame to me Confused i like eve much more, however better UI would rock

~sneaking back to bong

Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
Posted - 2009.11.24 19:12:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Nika Dekaia
Look mom, I can quote other people and alter their posts


Originally by: Nika Dekaia's mom
If you think that's going to make me proud of you, you're wrong. Why don't you get a job and get a social life?


Originally by: Nika Dekaia
But mom, I have friends! In eve-o!


Originally by: Nika Dekaia's mom
No, I meant real friends. And stop playing that game all the time. All you do is sit around and chat anyways, if you're gonna play a game, then at least play a game where you actually DO something


lol, pwn'd by your mom! Ouch. Oh, and FYI, I actually favor TBS games, all though I do play fps' sometimes.

Originally by: Souverainiste
First of all, I love eve and will continue playing.


I totally agree. There is in fact only one game I'm seriously considering migrating to, but it's not a spaceship mmo. It's a mechwarrior like mmo, but it appears to have some features that are very similar to eve. It's called Perpetuum online if you're interested, and it's currently in beta. http://www.perpetuum-online.com/Main

Nye Jaran
Posted - 2009.11.24 19:53:00 - [73]
 

The game doesn't have graphics, it has cartoons. Sod that.

Schani Kratnorr
x13
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.11.24 20:40:00 - [74]
 

Eve is not a game, and as such cannot be compared to Star Strek Online. I will try anyway.

Eve is the first single shard space MMO that emphasized audiovisual stimuli, as part of the entertainment appeal. For all its charm, Star Trek online will mimic Eve and other games. It will rely on the Star Trek brand to attract attention. I am worried about the lack of innovation.
  • Graphical appeal - check
  • Classes, levels, mission, adventure - check
  • gold & grinding - check
  • I-am-the-HERO-of-MY-Game, the universal attractor of RearEndHattery - check

Star Trek online will boldly go, where all their competitors have gone before.

Gael Itrus
Posted - 2009.11.24 23:06:00 - [75]
 

Infinity the Quest for Earth is a much larger threat to EVE honestly

Grarr Wrexx
Posted - 2009.11.25 04:04:00 - [76]
 

You know, if you like that game's features more, why don't you go play it? Molding games to be other games just to lure in a broader spectrum of 'gamers' is why we get unadulterated **** like world of warcraft, and korean grinding crap.

Tuscun Nebular
Posted - 2009.11.26 00:41:00 - [77]
 

For me, Eve is totally new (2 months) I've been gaming since the begining of gaming (Atari and beyond) When another game came along with the updated tech. and as long as it was for me, I moved along with the others, (even if it ment updating my computers) and the same goes for this game. If I can get better, as much as I like it, sorry but goodbye to Eve online.

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2009.11.26 02:11:00 - [78]
 

What STO, and Jumpgate if they ever get going, etc will probably do is to take away new players from Eve. Eve is very hard on new players what with the eternal and slow skill training, the terrible UI and the complexity of the game and the very unintuitive way many things work. Once you've played Eve for long enough and have a grip on how things work you grow to love the game but for many new players it's a horror, and a boring one at that.

I see the twitch PvP and Trekkie PvE along with all the things that CCP promised but never managed, such as WiS, *** etc being very attractive to new players.

Personally I don't care much, but CCP will certainly **** the boat if their player base suddenly starts dropping. I do however, think that CCP really deserves it. They've had a monopoly on internet spaceships since 2003 and IMHO they've become very arrogant and distanced from the player base.

Atthe very least I hope it makes them become a bit more attentive to pressing problems in this game and to the player base and to stop hyping themselves as being so utterly fantastic.

Total Disaster
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.11.26 12:18:00 - [79]
 

eve is attracting a totally different group of people anyways, no danger will come from SOT.
some will try it and stay with it for some time, but then they'll come back for more.

anyways, I'll certainly will try it out, but I'm a bit afraid of those hardcore trekkies complaining about "OMG, KIRK WOULD HAVE DONE THAT"

Pod Amarr
Posted - 2009.11.26 13:49:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Brolly
Yes, both games are MMO's and based in the future and space, but what people seem to be missing is that they are 2 completely different games.

Eve fans will never leave eve, they make take a holiday once in a while, but no other MMO is remotely the same and never will be.

There are a myriad of generic 3rd person avatar games based around the same mechanics, fortunately eve is not one of those.




This man I started 2005 played 6 7 months got bored left for bit came back left came back.

Only mmogame that ever made me come back all others are gathering dust on the shelf so to speak.


SJ02
Posted - 2009.12.17 16:45:00 - [81]
 

Anyone changing their mind about this as the release gets closer? Its available for pre-order now with access to the beta in Jan.

I for one am going to give it a try. Mostly because I want some kind of concrete story. As a 'carebear' I actually would like to feel like I'm doing something more then just making money. I'll still keep my eve account open as I don't have any issue with this game and will most likely return at some point but I hold out hope that STO delivers on their promises.


Robert Caldera
Posted - 2009.12.17 18:15:00 - [82]
 

I'm playing eve because its not as flat as other MMOs.
Star Trek will probably suck because they rely on the big brand (which I dont even like) as compensation for its flatness.

Comparing it to eve is like comparing a damned open air pool for kids equipped with slides, big colored balls and stuff where you stand half in water to the pacific ocean...

Himnos Altar
Gallente
Daisy Cutter's
Posted - 2009.12.17 19:02:00 - [83]
 

eh, nothing really compares to EVE. I looked at the graphics for STO and Jumpgate and went "duuuuuuuuuuuuuuur....must....mine......asteroids.....so....big...."

lulz.

seriously, if those graphics are the "cutting edge", I'll stick with EVE's "aged" graphics.

I thought that STO might be interesting, but after watching some gameplay, it looks like WoW with Phasers.

no thanks.

James Razor
Amarr
Fallen Angel's
White Noise.
Posted - 2009.12.17 21:43:00 - [84]
 

Well, Eve's biggest Plus Point for me is the great community. Without my Corp, Alliance and friends i would have given up Eve a long time ago.

But i will definatly try out alternatives, because atm CCP seems to be failcascading.

Dominion is right now a catastrophy. Server is unstable, they messed around with things they should have left untouched (Navy Ship Designs, Moros, Naglfar, CNR). Not to mention the Motherships.

Well, i still have hope that this problems will get fixed. But the question is: What will get broken next?

Drakarin
Gallente
Absentia Libertas Solus
Posted - 2009.12.18 01:25:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Lemmy Kravitz
I've said this once before and I'll say it again, I'd stop playing EvE at the drop of a hat if. I can loot the corpse in WOW and make someone cry. Seriously, if I can take another's stuff in Wow, and he loses it permanetly. I'd play wow all the time. But only two games I know of that lets you do this. Old School Ultima Online, and EvE. And I tried Ultima like two years ago and unfortunaly I couldn't take the crappy graphics. so it's eve until Eve 2.0 or something better comes out.


You might be interested in http://www.darkfallonline.com/index.html

Lucifer Mullins
Caldari
Posted - 2009.12.18 03:48:00 - [86]
 

Okay, to get this out of the way, I don't want Eve to be PvE, et al. I like the game, and the time it takes, but maybe...

they can learn a little from the WoW's and such. WoW is a hugely popular game because it is accessible. We don't have to dumb down Eve to do this, and CCP has been making baby steps towards it. Let's take a look at some enhancements (yes enhancements, not nerfs) CCP could take to fix some problems (yes, actual freakin' problems) in-game.

Accessibility:

The UI is terrible in some ways. The new Chrome browser is great (and I wouldn't doubt that other games might copy this idea) but the UI in general is clunky. Looking sleek and being sleek are two different things. How about allowing some of us geeks to write "add-ons" that redo it a bit.

The overview needs simplification. How about making it one of the default options that only enemy ships / drones show up in a PvP tab? How about only enemy ships, drones, and friendly ships? Automatically highlighted? Right now setting up the overview is an exercise in irritation right now. I had my machine crash (HDD) and had to toy with that for a bit to get it back to the way I liked.

Drones are in need of a reinstatement of easy command authority. Too many clicks (or keys to rebind) to make it easy for newcomers to appreciate how they can help.

Lag is a constant issue in big fleet fights, as evidenced by the constant harping in the CAOD board. How about if Eve picked up a lesson from WoW and had some equipment up and could "hot instance" so that you didn't have to notify them of fleet fights or worry so much about blobs? (basically talking about dynamic server allocation for zones rapidly filling up)

UO was a great game (before Trammel), but a lot of people quit it early on without learning how it worked. There should be one training zone for each race. No real market access of course (the computer buys at low prices when a player sells) and they setup the common pitfalls of a new player. Once you leave that system, incidentally, you never come back, and you leave with no more money than a regular new player, et al. The trick is to teach newbs about the market, combat, can-flipping, aggression and criminal flagging, et al., so they don't go out into New Eden on the trial accounts and get insta-ganked by somebody in a T3 cruiser. You're not really giving them anything free, except some extra knowledge. You're making the game more accessible, without diluting it. (Of course you can check a box in the client to skip said tutorial zone)

How about we remove the free ISK bounty system (which never really worked) and come up with a better idea to replace it. One where a guy doesn't hop into a blank JC, leave the station in his pod, and let his friend pop him for a split ISK perhaps? Seriously CCP, this has failed in every MMO it's been tried in. Why even bother perpetuating the pathetic myth?

How about CCP ups the ante a bit for pirates, forbid normal gate use by anyone -1 or below, but instead create a pirate jump gate network? You'd need good standing with the pirate faction to use it though, and normal law-abiding characters would have to probe it out. The lower level of support might mean it's off-line for a time here and there. NOTE: Normal Concorde aggression rules apply. This would help the game have a slightly grittier feel and the pirate / smuggler network would create new opportunities.

How about CCP consider making mining something other than a mind-numbing experience? I can't think of a more boring way in any other game (other than possibly Entropia's "sweat" system) of making money. This makes it difficult for newbs to get started because they think the rest of the game will be that boring.

How about CCP put a skill planner (note: not expand the queue, just a planner) into Eve so that a newb doesn't have to track down something like EveMon to plan out what to train to do X? Talk about a serious lack of usability. There's more of course but I'm out of cha

Lucifer Mullins
Caldari
Posted - 2009.12.18 03:57:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
Eve is not a game, and as such cannot be compared to Star Strek Online. I will try anyway.

Eve is the first single shard space MMO that emphasized audiovisual stimuli, as part of the entertainment appeal. For all its charm, Star Trek online will mimic Eve and other games. It will rely on the Star Trek brand to attract attention. I am worried about the lack of innovation.
  • Graphical appeal - check
  • Classes, levels, mission, adventure - check
  • gold & grinding - check
  • I-am-the-HERO-of-MY-Game, the universal attractor of RearEndHattery - check

Star Trek online will boldly go, where all their competitors have gone before.


Not to knock your entire post, but Eve attracts plenty of "RearEndHattery" too. Chalk it up to having ZERO real consequences vs real life. You won't see most of New Eden's pirates breaking the law seriously out of game because you're life is altered in a REAL way if you do so. The lack of realistic consequences leads to said behavior, and Eve is not exempt.

Oh and Eve is a game. STO is a game. SW:TOR is a game. WoW is a game. They have zero correlation with, or consequences in common with, real-life. You kill people as a pirate / murderer in games, you might get a gold star or loot. You do that in real life, and pretty much you're either going to jail or could just be outright executed depending on country.

AbudSeab
Posted - 2009.12.18 05:14:00 - [88]
 

Nah, STO apears to be too much clean.

Eve is underground of internet space ships :-) I love Star Trek - the movies and original series. But can't think in move from Eve to Star trek just to walk and see ships all looking similar apearing to have been created by a very limited random ship generator.

May be STO can offer a strong PVE content for Star Trek fans. And this for sure is a concern for CCP. But may be they have a plan with Dust 514 ??? who knows ?

And at the end of the day a bit of competition may be good to CCP :-) as motivation and also for us as users.

Abud

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2009.12.18 08:45:00 - [89]
 

Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 18/12/2009 08:52:15
Originally by: Souverainiste
Star Trek fans will surely play it day after day.


Oh?

I am ahuge ST fan, but I am however not looking forward to this game, at all.

Basically you make a Picard clone and walk around staion "doing it all"*?

*Doing it all actually measn not doing much of anything that has any inpact on anything nor is relevant for any actuallt gameplay elements innvolving other players.


Quote:
Q: Will there be PvP, PvE and RP rule set servers?
A: There will not be separate servers for PvP and PvE rulesets. Open PvP will be restricted to designated sectors of space (far-off reaches of unclaimed territory). Consensual PvP and competitive PvE will occur between the realm borders (the Neutral Zone), where players will be competing over territory and resources with the option to PvP.


Nothing like a war based on concentual fighting Rolling Eyes

"Option to PVP"

Sounds real fun to me Rolling Eyes

Misanthra
Posted - 2009.12.18 12:43:00 - [90]
 

Not seeing why people think this is game is so great. Course also not seeing why die hard carebears who like this dedicated pve server idea even play mmo's. Like mobbing so much fire up diablo II or similar game and go to town in single player. Cheaper than spending 15 bucks a month to farm bots.




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