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Deckape Hangers
Posted - 2009.11.19 21:12:00 - [1]
 

I have a question about offline towers.

Would it be possible (I mean even remotely worth the time) to kill a POS, even a small one with a battlecruiser? If I'm reading this right, the POS will have 99% resistance to all damage but I don't know if that's still the case if it's offline and un-fueled. If there were no resists, EFT says I can dish out a small POS in a little over two hours.

It seems like it would be a decent isk generator to take down the POS's of defunct corps and it'd free up the moon for someone else.

Thanks.

Khors
El Barco Pirata
Posted - 2009.11.19 21:25:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Khors on 19/11/2009 21:26:24
It can be done. I did it in w-space on a small gallente tower with my harbinger. It took probably 8 hours though. At first I just wanted to try and get a response from the owners for some pew pew. But they never came and I figured I could reinforce it for the hell of it. But meh, wasnt stronted so I shot it down. Had a friend come by in a stealthbomber in the end, which probably saved me an hour.
Allthough, I didn't change my setup, so I was pretty much stuck with 400 dps as I couldnt use drones, and the pos had decent resists against the thermal damage

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2009.11.20 01:48:00 - [3]
 

Imo, use a Harbinger. Really. Reloads.

Also, I'd preferably do this with something with 6 damage mods, just bugger off in case of trouble.

That said, after you do it once you'll never want to do it again, it takes so bloody long.

Dimitryy
Gallente
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
Posted - 2009.11.20 03:06:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Deckape Hangers
I have a question about offline towers.

Would it be possible (I mean even remotely worth the time) to kill a POS, even a small one with a battlecruiser? If I'm reading this right, the POS will have 99% resistance to all damage but I don't know if that's still the case if it's offline and un-fueled. If there were no resists, EFT says I can dish out a small POS in a little over two hours.

It seems like it would be a decent isk generator to take down the POS's of defunct corps and it'd free up the moon for someone else.

Thanks.


Yes and No. The only 99% resists you will see on a POS is incapped mods that are being shot before the tower is dead. In that case they will have 99% resists in structure. It is quite possible to kill a small or medium offlined tower just afking with a laser boat, as it will only have native resists and will not go into reinforced mode when its shields get low.

However, there is rarely a market for such services, as towers are generally only offlined in highsec or on ****ty moons, and there are usually plenty of other moons to anchor a pos on in such a situation. Also, even fail corps can usually muster 5 or so people to blow an hour shooting a pos. Ya never know though, maybe there is some highsec pos thats an insta from a mission hub station or something, and you can get some money for it. Cant hurt to try.

Dimitryy
Atlas Alliance

tehSiner
Abnormal Experience
Posted - 2009.11.20 11:20:00 - [5]
 

a small caldari tower, offlined, took about 1.8m dmg. largest part was shield, armor and struct went down fast.

Chaibat
Posted - 2009.11.20 13:25:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Chaibat on 20/11/2009 13:31:10
watching this thread..

Deckape Hangers
Posted - 2009.11.20 13:40:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Dimitryy


Yes and No. The only 99% resists you will see on a POS is incapped mods that are being shot before the tower is dead. In that case they will have 99% resists in structure. It is quite possible to kill a small or medium offlined tower just afking with a laser boat, as it will only have native resists and will not go into reinforced mode when its shields get low.

However, there is rarely a market for such services, as towers are generally only offlined in highsec or on ****ty moons, and there are usually plenty of other moons to anchor a pos on in such a situation. Also, even fail corps can usually muster 5 or so people to blow an hour shooting a pos. Ya never know though, maybe there is some highsec pos thats an insta from a mission hub station or something, and you can get some money for it. Cant hurt to try.

Dimitryy
Atlas Alliance


I was hoping to get mods, blueprints, and the like from the loot drops. My harb can do in the neighborhood of a million damage an hour, not taking into account any resists.

I was assuming the shields would be down if the tower was out of fuel and offline, is that not the case? Do the structures become unanchored when the tower fails? I'm assuming I can't just cart off the other POS modules for a quick sale? I'm not interested in putting up my own POS, just cleaning up space while making some coin. :)


Thanks for the help so far, all. I'd rather do a little research before wasting hours looking for an offline tower to shoot at in futility.

SetrakDark
DarkCorp Citizens Holdings
DarkCorp Citizens
Posted - 2009.11.20 13:43:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: SetrakDark on 20/11/2009 13:45:17
wow....8 hours?....1.8m HP?

You still have to destroy the shield on an offlined POS

A small cal has around 14m hp altogether, faction around 17m

That's closer to 16 hours in a BC

Edited in closer HP totals

Brandoe Chung
Gallente
Phoenix Industries
Saints Amongst Sinners
Posted - 2009.11.20 15:18:00 - [9]
 

You should be able to put down some pretty serious dmg to an offline tower in a BC.

Here's an example of what kind of damage can be put out with a cruiser hull. Granted I wasn't alone and it would've taken quite a bit more time by myself but this tower went down in about 2 hours. Granted my Deimos was fitted for pure gank down to the rigs and since I was just shooting a tower I used Void M. http://www.wicked-nation.com/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10481 But you can imagine you could take down a small POS by yourself in a gank fitted command ship with blasters in a few hours at most.

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2009.11.20 15:31:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Cpt Branko on 20/11/2009 15:31:10
Originally by: Deckape Hangers

I was assuming the shields would be down if the tower was out of fuel and offline, is that not the case?



It's not. You must still knock down the shields, the armor and the structure.

Originally by: Deckape Hangers

Do the structures become unanchored when the tower fails? I'm assuming I can't just cart off the other POS modules for a quick sale? I'm not interested in putting up my own POS, just cleaning up space while making some coin. :)



You can take it after the POS tower dies.

Originally by: Deckape Hangers

Thanks for the help so far, all. I'd rather do a little research before wasting hours looking for an offline tower to shoot at in futility.


Well. it's like this. A max max gank (6x HS II, HPL II fit) Harbinger using Conflag M and two Garde IIs (since I'm fairly certain Hammerhead IIs will orbit in a too idiotic fashion to hit the tower properly) will do 2.8 million raw damage a hour. Idk after how much shots on average does Conflag break, but I suspect a whole lot and it's not really expensive.

That translates into approximately 6-7 hours of shooting a small non-faction offline POS on your own. In short, you will go mad from boredom unless you get friends to help you. 6-7 max max gank BCs will do it in a hour (although non-harbinger ones better have a ammo hauler with them) which is already manageable.

But I don't think it's a reasonable business venture unless you want the moon out of there for some reason (eg. moon minerals).

Deckape Hangers
Posted - 2009.11.20 16:56:00 - [11]
 

Thanks all. It's been enlightening and I was full of bad assumptions. I suppose I'll need to shelve this until I'm able to field more ships.

I might do it if I find a random small POS only because I can go afk while the pos is chewed up but I think anything larger is out of the question. It'll be more for laughs than a real attempt at making isk, though.

If I get ganked while afk it's not a big deal. I won't have implants and the insurance and 0.0 ratting will cover any loss.

Again, thanks for the info. Fly safe.


 

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