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Riso Makaan
Posted - 2009.11.27 01:56:00 - [121]
 

We'd better call it a day, mr. Jakiiin, it seems we have exhausted Jade's rhetoric for the moment

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.11.27 02:00:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: Riso Makaan
We'd better call it a day, mr. Jakiiin, it seems we have exhausted Jade's rhetoric for the moment


I'd hardly call changing somebody else's words in quotes much of a challenge to rhetorical talents to be quite honest. But then as a PIE ensign you might have a different perspective on communication standards.

Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.11.27 02:08:00 - [123]
 


I find it very refreshing Jade has admitted an error in judgement. I will let it go at that.

I will state for the record we have completed our investigation and those involved will be notified of it's findings shortly. We stand by our decision to keep our investigation internal. That said the presence or non-presence of Garst Tyrell on the shortlist for the nomination will not be either an acceptance of his actions nor a condemnation of his actions. It's a nomination for his activity for the militia and Amarr. Be known though we take everything into account.

Archbishop


von Khan
Amarr
Posted - 2009.11.27 03:31:00 - [124]
 

Jakiin for Amarrian Capsuleer of the Year!

Jakiin
Amarr
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Posted - 2009.11.27 06:22:00 - [125]
 

Originally by: von Khan
Jakiin for Amarrian Capsuleer of the Year!


Dissidents, in MY Awards nomination? It's more likely than you think.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.11.27 09:48:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: The Cosmopolite


You see, people don't expect you to do anything to actually right the wrong here. I don't. I doubt Jade does. I would be surprised if anyone does. But this is a former PIE pilot and a militia commander. This is an Amarrian militia corporation. This is a pilot who has commanded fleets containing PIE pilots while he has been doing this sort of thing. PIE pilots were present in the fleet that attacked our starbase which all attest was under the direct command of Garst Tyrell.

People would be justified in concluding, in the absence of comment from PIE, that PIE and its pilots are happy to see Tyrell engage in his activities. Indeed, given PIE pilots have been in fleets he has commanded, people would be justified, in the absence of a clear statement otherwise, to conclude that PIE pilots might themselves engage in this sort of thing.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the allegations against No.Mercy made after the destruction of your POS?

So what are you suggesting here? That we should determine who we fly with based on what will happen in the future?

Does anybody else see a small problem with that?

Garst Tyrell
No.Mercy
Merciless.
Posted - 2009.11.27 19:21:00 - [127]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine

The outcome will be obvious based on whether you shortlist Garst Tyrell in your "amarrian-of-the-year" award. If you shortlist Garst it means PIE condone piracy against innocent industrial alliances in the name of 24th Crusade isk-raising. If you remove Garst from the shortlist it means you condemn him as a villain and traitor to the Amarrian Nationalist movement. its pretty simple.



Ah and the real motive comes out at last. You were speaking of extortion Jade?

Garst Tyrell
No.Mercy
Merciless.
Posted - 2009.11.27 19:32:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: The Cosmopolite


You see, people don't expect you to do anything to actually right the wrong here. I don't. I doubt Jade does. I would be surprised if anyone does. But this is a former PIE pilot and a militia commander. This is an Amarrian militia corporation. This is a pilot who has commanded fleets containing PIE pilots while he has been doing this sort of thing. PIE pilots were present in the fleet that attacked our starbase which all attest was under the direct command of Garst Tyrell.

People would be justified in concluding, in the absence of comment from PIE, that PIE and its pilots are happy to see Tyrell engage in his activities. Indeed, given PIE pilots have been in fleets he has commanded, people would be justified, in the absence of a clear statement otherwise, to conclude that PIE pilots might themselves engage in this sort of thing.


Its quite simply really. PIE Praetorians were simply shooting a -10 entity (SF) at the same time my corporation was shooting a -10 entity (SF). Similar to you murdering the -10 (to SF) targets of the Rabbits, minus the inherent hypocrisy and double talk.


The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.11.28 01:39:00 - [129]
 

Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 28/11/2009 04:39:22


Originally by: Rodj Blake
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the allegations against No.Mercy made after the destruction of your POS?

So what are you suggesting here? That we should determine who we fly with based on what will happen in the future?


No, not at all.

Allegations, right or wrong, obviously have to come after that which they deal with and the indications are that the buccaneer Tyrell has planned, advocated and taken part in more than one activity of the type indicated or similar of varying scope. Talk of 'multiple wardecs' for 'the same reason' as a previous 'temporary wardec' and 'big hopes for this haul' are, to my mind, highly suggestive. This kind of talk is closely contemporaneous with the Battle for Space and Freedom and discusses previous events as well as future 'operations'.

Now, all I suggest is that PIE would probably wish to assure themselves not necessarily of the future actions of an ally in the field — though being sensible it is good to have an idea of at least what is likely in the future and accept one can't always predict everything — but rather so far as they can of the current activities of an ally in the militia and potential commander in militia fleets of their pilots.

I also obviously leave it to PIE to sift and weigh the evidence. I personally am not going to make any determinations for PIE. I make them for myself and contribute those to the Star Fraction view of what the gangster Tyrell has been up to but that's my affair. PIE have to come to their own view. The contention regarding PIE is primarily in the matter of the organisation remaining silent about their view.

By the by, partially in response to you, Blake, and partially in response to the racketeer Tyrell, if you wish to state that no PIE pilots have flown in unified Amarr militia fleets under the command of the thug Tyrell since he formed No Mercy, and most especially during and after the Battle for Space and Freedom Starbase, I will take your word for it. It somewhat flies in the face of a lot of talk about the 'unified Amarr militia fleet' that attacked our starbase and which multiple people have attested was under the wolfshead Tyrell's direct command but I recognise it could have been a mistake or hyperbole on the part of some. I can't really do other than accept the word of PIE officers on the question having no direct evidence to the contrary.

The brigand Tyrell is obviously correct to suggest that if PIE operated as a distinct unit with its own command and was merely fighting against a mutual hostile to the rest of the Amarr militia forces under the command of the blackguard Tyrell, then it is of broadly similar case to the Star Fraction fighting mutual hostiles of various people on various occasions.

I would be happy to agree that when it comes to independently-operating units fighting mutual enemies no firm conclusions as to influence or shared responsibility or matters similar as to one or the other units can be drawn. I would especially welcome this view being taken by Amarrian loyalists.

Is that what PIE are now saying? Even though the other units are in the same militia? I wouldn't necessarily object but you would see that saying that no conclusions as to general shared responsibility, historical entanglement, political allegiance and so forth can be drawn as regard independently-operating units even when they are in the same militia is quite a strong claim.

I would accept it as your view. We certainly take that view about independently-operating units and entities that are in no way part of the same organisation. Your view, if that's what it is, would be a bit stronger. I might be persuaded if the claim was that the organisation is in fact no organisation at all and merely a sort of... oh, flag of convenience or, perhaps putting it more politely, marker of state allegiance.

I'm quite interested to know what PIE thinks in this regard actually.

The Cosmopolite

Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.11.28 02:53:00 - [130]
 

Quote:
no conclusions as to general shared responsibility, historical entanglement, political allegiance and so forth can be drawn as regard independently-operating units even when they are in the same militia is quite a strong claim.




Actually, no it is not a strong claim at all. Given that the entry requirements for militia's are minimal, trying to draw conclusions about other militia corps based on the actions of one militia corporation is farcical at best.

But I will make a strong claim: PIE has in the past and will continue to fly beside those who are of a less savory character in the defense of the Empire. The lives of Amarrian civilians do not wait for our scruples.

What we will not do is condone acts of piracy or take part in acts of piracy. If a Garst led militia fleet ever committed an act of piracy, then PIE pilots would be obligated to immediately leave that fleet.

However, given the nature of militia fleets as being drawn from all sorts, so long as the fleets are "on target" and aimed at enemies of Amarr, PIE pilots are justified in putting Amarr first and supporting that fleet. It is only when the fleet goes "off target" and is taken that way by its FC that there is a problem that affects PIE participation in general militia fleets.

Now, that said, the reality is that PIE interaction with main militia fleets is limited and usually on a single pilot level. Our primary focus is and will remain different than the space superiority fleets that Mr. Tyrell leads, as we care far more about the defense of Amarrian systems and the general persecution of Shakor than we are in the destruction of the money of immortal pod pilots.

The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.11.28 03:44:00 - [131]
 

Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Quote:
no conclusions as to general shared responsibility, historical entanglement, political allegiance and so forth can be drawn as regard independently-operating units even when they are in the same militia is quite a strong claim.



Actually, no it is not a strong claim at all. Given that the entry requirements for militia's are minimal, trying to draw conclusions about other militia corps based on the actions of one militia corporation is farcical at best.

But I will make a strong claim: PIE has in the past and will continue to fly beside those who are of a less savory character in the defense of the Empire. The lives of Amarrian civilians do not wait for our scruples.



I am not talking about drawing conclusions about any given militia corporation purely on the basis of the actions of any other militia corporation regardless of whether they have operated in even the same region, let alone been in the same field of battle operating against the same targets. That would possibly approach farce, I agree, but context in this thread, and people will note you chopped what I said out of preceding context, does indicate clearly that I was talking about independently-operating units fighting the same targets in the same instance, and let us also say on a more or less regular basis as I do think that is what is being discussed.

Please, for the sake of any sense being wrung from what we all say, don't continue to miscast what I say, inadvertently or not, to suggest I am saying bizarre or outré things. I do believe that in the past PIE officers and other ranks have publicly come very close to drawing conclusions about the Star Fraction on the basis of it happening to fight the same targets as other organisations of... shall we say differing character? I think I am being generous actually and can fairly say that on occasion some have come more than close.

We say that conclusions as to general shared responsibility, historical entanglement, political allegiance and so forth cannot be safely drawn as regard independently-operating units even though they be fighting the same targets alongside one another. We have long said this. We have long been criticised for this view. I am glad you accept it is a reasonable claim.

What I merely point out is that it is a stronger claim to say that similar conclusions are equally unsafely drawn even when the units in question are in the same militia. It may well be barely stronger but the claim is stronger nonetheless because the units are, at least notionally, in the same organisation. How much stronger the claim is depends on such things as you allude to.

I would accept the the claim is no stronger in the eyes of someone who considers that the militia in question does not constitute an organisation in the generally accepted sense of the term. Perhaps that is your position?

I seem to read in your remarks that position but I am a little weary of misintepretations that have abounded lately and am not minded to add more to the mix. I prefer you confirm it is a fair reading.

In general, I must say I understand the stance you describe as your own strong claim regarding PIE and I hope it means that talk from various PIE personalities of the Star Fraction supporting piracy, territorialism, various governments and what have you merely because we happen to be firing at the same targets as some other entity is firmly in the past.

The Cosmopolite

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.11.28 10:06:00 - [132]
 

Edited by: Rodj Blake on 28/11/2009 10:11:30

Originally by: The Cosmopolite
By the by, partially in response to you, Blake, and partially in response to the racketeer Tyrell, if you wish to state that no PIE pilots have flown in unified Amarr militia fleets under the command of the thug Tyrell since he formed No Mercy, and most especially during and after the Battle for Space and Freedom Starbase, I will take your word for it.


Once again, I'd like to point out to you that the allegations against No.Mercy were made after the battle.

I'm a little curious why you want me to state that PIE won't fly in the same gang as an alleged pirate, especially when just yesterday an SF pilot was observed operating in the same gang as someone much more likely to be a pirate than Garst Tyrell.

The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.11.28 15:14:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: Rodj Blake

Originally by: The Cosmopolite (my emphasis)
By the by, partially in response to you, Blake, and partially in response to the racketeer Tyrell, if you wish to state that no PIE pilots have flown in unified Amarr militia fleets under the command of the thug Tyrell since he formed No Mercy, and most especially during and after the Battle for Space and Freedom Starbase, I will take your word for it.


Once again, I'd like to point out to you that the allegations against No.Mercy were made after the battle.



Once again, I have to point out that allegations can only be made after the incidents and facts they are concerned with. I think Lok'ri is on stronger ground on this point when he claims that in fact PIE pilots do not fly under the command of such as the gangster Tyrell but rather will fight alongside them against mutual enemies. That I can understand and I welcome the fact that it must mean PIE personalities will no longer be trying to make adverse claims about the Star Fraction on the basis of who we happen to be flying alongside.

Quote:

I'm a little curious why you want me to state that PIE won't fly in the same gang as an alleged pirate, especially when just yesterday an SF pilot was observed operating in the same gang as someone much more likely to be a pirate than Garst Tyrell.


You should not be curious about that because that is not what I have asked about. I have asked about PIE pilots being under the command of the racketeer Tyrell, as shown by the emphasis I have introduced into the passage you yourself quote, not them simply being in the same fleet. It does seem that both Gaven Lok'ri and the brigand Tyrell are aware of this and I'm forced to conclude that you, Blake, are once more deliberately misrepresenting me for your usual petty logic-twisting purposes.

As it happens, I think Lok'ri has answered far more honestly and compellingly than you ever could and I am simply interested in the clarification of his recent remarks I requested. Clarification that I think would be useful for all concerned. Again, I do note that from your remarks and Lok'ri's it does seem that PIE accept that one cannot make sound conclusions about the character of an organisation from the character of other organisations they happen to fight alongside against mutual enemies.

It does seem that the main outstanding issue now is whether or not PIE will be showering approval on the buccaneer Tyrell by shortlisting him for the Amarrian Capsuleer of the Year Award... or indeed perhaps even crowning him as such!

The Cosmopolite

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.11.28 15:40:00 - [134]
 

Edited by: Rodj Blake on 28/11/2009 15:40:52
Originally by: The Cosmopolite

You should not be curious about that because that is not what I have asked about.



I'll be the one to decide what I will or will not be curious about, thank you very much.

And right now, I'm curious about an SF pilot flying in the same gang as a member of a pirate corp.

Will there be an investigation into this apparent breach of SF policy?

The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.11.28 15:59:00 - [135]
 

Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 28/11/2009 16:22:36

Actually, no, you should not be curious about things you represent me as having said when I have not said them. You are not justified in being curious about such things. Should I be curious about you saying that you repudiate slavery? Would that be justified? No, it would not because you have not said any such thing. Similarly, you are not justified in being 'curious' about something I have not said. You are regularly 'curious' about things people have not said and it really is past time you were challenged on it. It amounts to lying about what people have said and I think you should stop it.

What I am pointing out is that you are ignoring the context and development of this thread, your curiosity about whether I wish PIE to state who they fly alongside or not is a misdirection based on a misrepresentation. It is the issue of command that has been discussed in the exchanges involving Gaven Lok'ri and the thug Tyrell. I can quite understand why you are trying to deflect attention from the issue of command though.

Originally by: Rodj Blake

And right now, I'm curious about an SF pilot flying in the same gang as a member of a pirate corp.

Will there be an investigation into this apparent breach of SF policy?


There is nothing 'apparent' in this regard at all, and as there has been no prima facie breach of Star Fraction policy there is nothing to investigate. Your constant misrepresentation of Star Fraction policy does you no favours.

Gaven Lok'ri says:

Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
But I will make a strong claim: PIE has in the past and will continue to fly beside those who are of a less savory character in the defense of the Empire.


The Star Fraction has long said that in a roughly similar manner we will fly alongside those who differ with us in the fight against mutual enemies.

Do you agree with Gaven Lok'ri that this longstanding policy is reasonable in pursuit of one's goals?

The Cosmopolite

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.11.28 16:25:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: The Cosmopolite


Gaven Lok'ri says:

Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
But I will make a strong claim: PIE has in the past and will continue to fly beside those who are of a less savory character in the defense of the Empire.


The Star Fraction has long said that in a roughly similar manner we will fly alongside those who differ with us in the fight against mutual enemies.

Do you agree with Gaven Lok'ri that this longstanding policy is reasonable in pursuit of one's goals?

The Cosmopolite



Personally, I consider anyone not Amarrian to be a little bit unsavoury, but sometimes one has to lower one's standards slightly in pursuit of a higher aim.

There are of course degrees of savouryness or the lack thereof, and clearly there's a line that has to be drawn somewhere.

So whilst at times circumstances might dictate that we find ourselves working with pilots who don't have a whiter than white background, our pilots wouldn't gang themeselves up with members of the sort of alliance that sits in a system like Egghelende attacking random ships.

Unlike Star Fraction.



Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.11.28 16:53:00 - [137]
 

Personally I wouldn't describe declaring war on a non-involved peaceful industrial corporation in an attempt to extort isk from them via a ransom demand or destroying their POS to loot their research structures a less 'whiter than white' background.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.11.28 17:13:00 - [138]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 28/11/2009 17:35:39

Originally by: Rodj Blake

Personally, I consider anyone not Amarrian to be a little bit unsavoury, but sometimes one has to lower one's standards slightly in pursuit of a higher aim. There are of course degrees of savouryness or the lack thereof, and clearly there's a line that has to be drawn somewhere. So whilst at times circumstances might dictate that we find ourselves working with pilots who don't have a whiter than white background, our pilots wouldn't gang themeselves up with members of the sort of alliance that sits in a system like Egghelende attacking random ships. Unlike Star Fraction.


By the same measure I will say that lines must be drawn:

I cannot see Star Fraction pilots deciding to adopt convenient NBSI from simple paranoia. Unlike PIE

I cannot see Star Fraction pilots prepared to fly under the command of pirate wolfheads like Garst Tyrell. Unlike PIE

And I particularly cannot see the Star Fraction prepared to entertain the notion of providing said rogues with a prize for their accomplishments in ransoming neutral industrial alliances and committing acts of piracy against innocents. Unlike PIE

You are very weak ground here Rodj Blake as you see the principles, reputation, standards and whole name of your organization dragged in the mud not by the propaganda of others, but by your own choices and gradual slide towards organizational NBSI and all that entails.

PIE Inc. no longer have any firm position from which to accuse others of lapse standards.





Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.11.28 17:42:00 - [139]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine


I cannot see Star Fraction pilots deciding to adopt convenient NBSI from simple paranoia. Unlike PIE


A prior link between the pilot in question an Star Fraction has been determined. As you are well aware.

Quote:
I cannot see Star Fraction pilots prepared to fly under the command of pirate wolfheads like Garst Tyrell. Unlike PIE.


As you are well aware, PIE has conducted an investigation into the activities of No.Mercy, and will be notifying involved parties as appropriate.

Furthermore, the allegations against No.Mercy pale into insignificance next to the piratical actions of the Black Rabbits and the Dead Terrorists and are roughly on a par with the brand of extortionism championed by none other than The Star Fraction

Quote:
And I particularly cannot see the Star Fraction prepared to entertain the notion of providing said rogues with a prize for their accomplishments in ransoming neutral industrial alliances and committing acts of piracy against innocents. Unlike PIE.


And as you undoubtedly know, PIE nominated none of the pilots on those lists. If you object so much to Garst being nominated, then perhaps you should have spoken to those pilots who did nominate him.

Now that we've cleared those issues up yet again, perhaps you can provide me with an explanation as to why one of your pilots was observed yesterday flying in the same gang as a member of a pirate alliance?

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.11.28 18:16:00 - [140]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 28/11/2009 18:16:42
Originally by: Rodj Blake

Now that we've cleared those issues up yet again, perhaps you can provide me with an explanation as to why one of your pilots was observed yesterday flying in the same gang as a member of a pirate alliance?


You haven't cleared anything up. Your explanations are not sufficient. Whereas the Cosmopolite has already addressed the issue with your Armageddon being blown to pieces yesterday by a Star Fraction pilgrim providing a cyno for a Dead Terrorist Thanatos. Read again and try to let it sink in this time.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.11.28 18:22:00 - [141]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 28/11/2009 18:16:42
Originally by: Rodj Blake

Now that we've cleared those issues up yet again, perhaps you can provide me with an explanation as to why one of your pilots was observed yesterday flying in the same gang as a member of a pirate alliance?


You haven't cleared anything up. Your explanations are not sufficient. Whereas the Cosmopolite has already addressed the issue with your Armageddon being blown to pieces yesterday by a Star Fraction pilgrim providing a cyno for a Dead Terrorist Thanatos. Read again and try to let it sink in this time.



Thank you for confirming this.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.11.28 18:27:00 - [142]
 


Originally by: Rodj Blake

Thank you for confirming this.


Something tells me your own ship systems should have done that while registering the imminent collapse of structural integrity under weapons fire. We have always been prepared to help -10s destroy -10s and prioritize regressive imperialist dogs on the targetting lists.



Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.11.28 18:34:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine

Originally by: Rodj Blake

Thank you for confirming this.


Something tells me your own ship systems should have done that while registering the imminent collapse of structural integrity under weapons fire. We have always been prepared to help -10s destroy -10s and prioritize regressive imperialist dogs on the targetting lists.



The confirmation that I was referring to was your confirmation of The Cosmopolite's interpretation of your policy.

Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.11.28 18:39:00 - [144]
 


So the Star Fraction readily admits its willingness to join forces with -10.0 pirates to kill another who is not a pirate... and not even a legal war target at that... just because you've sent them to -10.0. Thank you for that confirmation.

Archbishop

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.11.28 18:44:00 - [145]
 

Originally by: Rodj Blake

The confirmation that I was referring to was your confirmation of The Cosmopolite's interpretation of your policy.


I hardly see why it needed further confirmation. Our policy has always been entirely clear. Unlike your own "flexible NBSI depending on the paranoia of the individual pilot" policy in PIE inc. Really Rodj, there is a reason this thread is called the "failure of PIE" rather than the "failure of SF" and thats because our principles are both consistent and honest. Two attributes you have entirely lost sight of yourselves.




Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.11.28 18:50:00 - [146]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 28/11/2009 18:53:10

Originally by: Archbishop

So the Star Fraction readily admits its willingness to join forces with -10.0 pirates to kill another who is not a pirate... and not even a legal war target at that... just because you've sent them to -10.0. Thank you for that confirmation. Archbishop


I am honestly not at all sure that Rodj Blake isn't a member of a pirate corporation any longer. After all. He is happy to cooperate with pirates to attack non-pirates himself. He is happy to allow pilots under his command to engage neutrals whenever they see fit. His officers have said they operate on the basis of whatever means neccessary and they don't consider capsule pilots members of the Amarrian nation. He is happy to commend other pirate organisations that have ransomed neutral industrial alliances and he is not prepared to rule out giving material aid to said pirates in the form of faction battleships in reward for those acts of very public piracy against peaceful industrialists in the Amarrian hisec zone.

Really Archbishop. I'm not sure what PIE Inc. is any more. And I think your standards have slipped so far you are not sure of that yourself.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.11.28 18:55:00 - [147]
 

Edited by: Rodj Blake on 28/11/2009 18:55:51
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Rodj Blake

The confirmation that I was referring to was your confirmation of The Cosmopolite's interpretation of your policy.


I hardly see why it needed further confirmation. Our policy has always been entirely clear. Unlike your own "flexible NBSI depending on the paranoia of the individual pilot" policy in PIE inc. Really Rodj, there is a reason this thread is called the "failure of PIE" rather than the "failure of SF" and thats because our principles are both consistent and honest. Two attributes you have entirely lost sight of yourselves.



Conistent? Honest? Star Fraction?

The only thing that's consistent about you is your hypocrisy.

For example, we have that thing about Star Fraction being opposed to the holding of territory whilst openly describing a territorial alliance as an ally.

Or those times that you claimed that your alliance was anti-slavery whilst having well known slave-owners as a member or in your bed.

And there are more. I'm sure that everyone here has their own favourite example.

As for honesty, do you really want me to list some previous lies that have come from SF, just in case thre's anyone about who might not be aware of them?

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.11.28 19:01:00 - [148]
 

Edited by: Rodj Blake on 28/11/2009 19:02:02
Originally by: Jade Constantine

I am honestly not at all sure that Rodj Blake isn't a member of a pirate corporation any longer. After all. He is happy to cooperate with pirates to attack non-pirates himself.



If someone who co-operates with pirates to attack non-pirates is themself a pirate, and given that both you and The Cosmopolite have confirmed that SF co-operates with pirates to attack non-pirates, then doesn't it follow that SF are pirates?

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.11.28 19:04:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Rodj Blake

If someone who co-operates with pirates to attack non-pirates is themself a pirate, and given that both you and The Cosmopolite have confirmed that SF co-operates with pirates to attack non-pirates, then doesn't it follow that SF are pirates?


Address the whole post or address none of it. I don't have the patience for your deceitful partial word-games.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.11.28 19:07:00 - [150]
 

I'm simply following your logic through to its natural conclusion, m'dear.


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