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Vadimik
Gallente
Posted - 2009.11.15 19:49:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Vadimik on 16/11/2009 05:06:25

I mean, numbers speak for themself, I just, you know... can't quite believe it.

Why would a tengu of all have a 0.387 agility mod vs 0.5+ on all other strat cruisers? Am I missing something or tengu just has better agility out of blue?

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2009.11.15 20:12:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Grimpak on 15/11/2009 20:12:32
Originally by: Vadimik
I mean, numbers speak for themself, I just, you know... can't quite believe it.

Why would a tengu of all have a 0.387 agility mod vs 0.5+ on all other strat cruisers? Am I missing something or tengu just has better agility out of blue?



er.....


what?


align time for loki + intercalated nanofib sub = 3.30 secs
align time for tengu with the same subsystem = 3.09 secs.

this with lvl4 sub skill, but values can change if you add subs that alter mass. HOWEVER, I was able to make a setup where a tengu can enter warp nearly as fast as a frigate, and it's pretty viable (3.72secs with mwd on, 2.75 secs with mwd off)



...unless of course you're a troll, and you're using the interdiction nullifier sub which has a poor base agility, compared with even non-agility bonused subs.

Vadimik
Gallente
Posted - 2009.11.15 20:15:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Vadimik on 15/11/2009 20:21:30
Originally by: Grimpak

er.....


what?


You do realise that for agility better = lower, right?

And that that's exactly my question - why tengu has better agility than even loki with agility sub.

ropnes
Posted - 2009.11.15 20:29:00 - [4]
 

Because Tengu is space language for win

Move on

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2009.11.15 20:45:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Vadimik
Edited by: Vadimik on 15/11/2009 20:21:30
Originally by: Grimpak

er.....


what?


You do realise that for agility better = lower, right?

And that that's exactly my question - why tengu has better agility than even loki with agility sub.


oh then I misread, cuz I thought you meant tengu had the lowest agility of them all.



well.... I dunno, and simply don't care. all that I care is the omfgalign times are awesomeCool

too bad it can't hit the same warpspeed as a frig tho, but that would be asking too much tbh.

Vadimik
Gallente
Posted - 2009.11.15 20:56:00 - [6]
 

Quote:

oh then I misread, cuz I thought you meant tengu had the lowest agility of them all.


Yes, tengu has the lowest agility of all. But in eve lower agility means faster align, not slower.

And I'm ok with legion being solopwnmobile because of supertank and high cap-independent DPS. But agility on top of that? That part got even me by suprise.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2009.11.15 22:20:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Vadimik
Quote:

oh then I misread, cuz I thought you meant tengu had the lowest agility of them all.


Yes, tengu has the lowest agility of all. But in eve lower agility means faster align, not slower.

And I'm ok with legion being solopwnmobile because of supertank and high cap-independent DPS. But agility on top of that? That part got even me by suprise.


my tengu setup might be a combat probing cloaker with 95k EHP and frigate agility, but it's no omfgsolopwnmobile, unless you count 3 heavy launchers as omgwtfpwn.

Wet Ferret
Posted - 2009.11.15 22:31:00 - [8]
 

Almost all caldari ships are a little more agile than other ships in their class. This is supposed to counter their higher mass, or something like that.

Letifer Deus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.11.16 03:00:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Letifer Deus on 16/11/2009 03:01:42
Originally by: Vadimik


You do realise that for agility better = lower, right?


It has lower inertia modifier, higher agility. Saying it has the lowest agility is incorrect.

Don Pellegrino
Pod Liberation Authority
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.11.16 04:17:00 - [10]
 

The proteus is almost always fitted with at least a 1600mm plate, often with 3 trimarks on top of that, so it's REALLY slow to align when fitted.

The base ship agility doesn't matter, you're never going to fly your ship unfitted anyway.

Ignitious Hellfury
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
Posted - 2009.11.16 04:21:00 - [11]
 

yes, but he's talking about the tengu. I really think it's absurd the advantage how many advantages the tengu has... The proteus has no propulsion subs that effect its mobility with the exception of the warp speed one (woooo...)

But I've given up writing long posts about how wretched the T3 balancing is (between the 4 i mean, overall they are ok, but legion sucks, proteus and loki meh, tengu holywtf)

Vadimik
Gallente
Posted - 2009.11.16 05:12:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Letifer Deus
Edited by: Letifer Deus on 16/11/2009 03:01:42
It has lower inertia modifier, higher agility. Saying it has the lowest agility is incorrect.


Actually, you are correct. I think I just got kind of used to referring "inertia modifier" as "agility".


Quote:
The base ship agility doesn't matter, you're never going to fly your ship unfitted anyway.

Except that fits that don't have a single module that modifies that "base agility" are quite common. Twice so on shield tanking ships.

Quote:
But I've given up writing long posts about how wretched the T3 balancing is (between the 4 i mean, overall they are ok, but legion sucks, proteus and loki meh, tengu holywtf)

Again, the agility part just caught me by suprise, and I'm yet to find an explanation as to why it is the way it is, with all T3 having the same base mass.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2009.11.16 05:58:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Grimpak on 16/11/2009 06:04:19
Originally by: Don Pellegrino
The proteus is almost always fitted with at least a 1600mm plate, often with 3 trimarks on top of that, so it's REALLY slow to align when fitted.

The base ship agility doesn't matter, you're never going to fly your ship unfitted anyway.



even without plates, the best align time I could churn out of it is pretty much 2 to 3 times more than the tengu with the agility sub. Hell, the sub that gives out the worse agility, interdiction nullifier, makes the tengu sit at a 4sec align time.

Originally by: Ignitious Hellfury
But I've given up writing long posts about how wretched the T3 balancing is (between the 4 i mean, overall they are ok, but legion sucks, proteus and loki meh, tengu holywtf)


been flying a covert probing tengu for some time and I found out the following:

discarding damage, the tengu is the one that does best in such role. Sure my setup "only" hits 1500m/sec with 3.7 sec align time with mwd on, but yeah.

Damage-wise the proteus is better, but then again, I wanted a prober that was nimble, capable of warpscram a target and enough EHP to hold while the gang arrived. (and I managed it, with 95k EHP, not stellar, but still enough)

proteus might be able to do it solo, but it seems to suffer from ******-syndrome.

legion is lol.

loki suffers from schizofernia since it can't decide if it wants to armor-tank or shield-tank.


overall, the tengu is the most general-purpose of all T3 (can do pve and pvp roles quite easily). proteus and loki are somewhat restricted to not that many roles, and legion suffers from lolwut? syndrome.

Morgan La'Chance
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.11.16 06:21:00 - [14]
 

Since last year, Caldari ships are almost always more agile than other ships. Look at Harpies versus Jaguars, for example.

Spartan dax
Posted - 2009.11.16 07:34:00 - [15]
 

Caldari ships may have lower inerta modifiers but they also tend to have more base mass which affects percieved "agility". They used to be bricks with their BC's aligning slower than battleships, horrid times.

Tagami Wasp
Caldari
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.11.16 08:55:00 - [16]
 

Tengu is really versatile. I wonder for how long will they be so expensive. Everyone is buying one and going into whs as it seems. Shouldn't the prices start falling a bit?


 

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