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small chimp
Posted - 2009.11.13 01:40:00 - [1]
 

For some reason i seem to be unable to make a decent armor tanking fit.

Could someone help?

Asuka Smith
Gallente
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Posted - 2009.11.13 02:12:00 - [2]
 

[Ishtar, Blasters]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Signal Amplifier II
Damage Control II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Scrambler II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
[empty high slot]

Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Medium Hybrid Collision Accelerator I


Ogre II x5

Peckles
The Reformists of the West
Posted - 2009.11.13 08:07:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Asuka Smith
[Ishtar, Blasters]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Signal Amplifier II
Damage Control II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Scrambler II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
[empty high slot]

Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Medium Hybrid Collision Accelerator I


Ogre II x5


I assume troll, but if not...

I don't like the looks of that fit at all. Unless you can explain your strategy in using it, it doesn't look very good. Why would you want to have kill your range advantage in a ship that can do so much from 24km?

Your tank is mediocre at best and the low slots make no sense to me at all. Why the signal amp? You don't gain much of anything you need from it besides a slight boost to targeting speed. Why nano when you probably won't have your MWD on and odds are you will be webbed.

You rig for more damage from your three blasters instead of dropping one of your low slots and adding extender rigs.

Honestly I'm just baffled.

TRD 2371
Posted - 2009.11.13 09:42:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Peckles
Originally by: Asuka Smith
[Ishtar, Blasters]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Signal Amplifier II
Damage Control II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Scrambler II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
[empty high slot]

Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Medium Hybrid Collision Accelerator I


Ogre II x5


I assume troll, but if not...

I don't like the looks of that fit at all. Unless you can explain your strategy in using it, it doesn't look very good. Why would you want to have kill your range advantage in a ship that can do so much from 24km?

Your tank is mediocre at best and the low slots make no sense to me at all. Why the signal amp? You don't gain much of anything you need from it besides a slight boost to targeting speed. Why nano when you probably won't have your MWD on and odds are you will be webbed.

You rig for more damage from your three blasters instead of dropping one of your low slots and adding extender rigs.

Honestly I'm just baffled.



switch shield to dualrep armor tank, kinda fiddle around abit and it should turn out quite nicely for you.

Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.11.13 10:10:00 - [5]
 

Probem with ishar armour fits is that they're a **** to make fit. Dual rep kills your grid and your cap, and the tank remains weak regardless. Shield buffer + some sort of speed remains the only viable solution in my book but then again I haven't flown them recently.

Norwood Franskly
Minmatar
Fleet of the Damned
Eternal Ascension
Posted - 2009.11.13 10:53:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Sokratesz
Probem with ishar armour fits is that they're a **** to make fit. Dual rep kills your grid and your cap, and the tank remains weak regardless. Shield buffer + some sort of speed remains the only viable solution in my book but then again I haven't flown them recently.


I have flown it recently and I agree, never been a fan of armor fits for pretty much the reasons you mentioned.

This was my fit for a long time:

[Ishtar, nor]

Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Small Nosferatu II
150mm Railgun II, Spike S
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor I
Invulnerability Field II

Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

More recently I've been using a fitting with sentry damage rigs, but thats in gangs not solo

For solo this is what I've come up with but not had a chance to test it yet:

[Ishtar, neuts]

Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Improved Cloaking Device II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Warp Scrambler II

Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Overdrive Injector System II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

I think we careful target selection it could work well. You probably don't need the cloak if you have someone to scout for you.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.11.13 11:08:00 - [7]
 

What kinds of newbs are we talking about here, and in what situations?

Titan Pilot
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2009.11.13 11:32:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Titan Pilot on 13/11/2009 11:38:20
Shield buffer Ishtar is what you want, just swap the scrambler for Disruptor II, blasters for T2 ACs and make it as fast as possible.

Stay out of scramble range. The first fit was terrible, although I understand why he wants to get close (scoop drones and suck some cap to keep the MWD running. Problem with this strategy is the moment you get scrambled, your MWD shuts off and so does your speed tank...






small chimp
Posted - 2009.11.13 13:46:00 - [9]
 

thanks for suggestions! I would like to kill normal mining or orethieving newbies in arnon (which is a newbie and miner infested system)

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.11.13 13:51:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: small chimp
thanks for suggestions! I would like to kill normal mining or orethieving newbies in arnon (which is a newbie and miner infested system)
Ishtar is not what you're looking for.

Dr Fighter
Posted - 2009.11.13 14:22:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: small chimp
thanks for suggestions! I would like to kill normal mining or orethieving newbies in arnon (which is a newbie and miner infested system)
Ishtar is not what you're looking for.


use a thrashYarr

Samaritan Azuma
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2009.11.13 14:31:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Samaritan Azuma on 13/11/2009 14:31:38
EDIT OH SNAP I THOUGHT IT WAS AN ISHKUR THREAD....

but really you wanna hunt newbs in a HAC?...

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.11.13 14:36:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 13/11/2009 14:36:18
Originally by: Dr Fighter
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: small chimp
thanks for suggestions! I would like to kill normal mining or orethieving newbies in arnon (which is a newbie and miner infested system)
Ishtar is not what you're looking for.
use a thrashYarr
That and…
Originally by: Samaritan Azuma
but really you wanna hunt newbs in a HAC?...
…this is what I was thinking. Razz

Ore use a Hurricane. If they're newbies, they'll appreciate being blown up in a vaguely Star Destroyer-shaped ship.

Ghengis Tia
Posted - 2009.11.13 20:13:00 - [14]
 

Warp Core Stabilizer I
Warp Core Vaporizer I
Expanded Cargo Hold I
Civilian Armor Repairer
50mm Nanofiber Plate

1mn AB I
ECM White Noise
ECM "Penumbra" Hallucination Generator
Small Cap Booster
Analyzer I

75mm Gatling Rail
75mm Gatling Rail
75mm Gatling Rail
75mm Gatling Rail
Tractor Beam

No Rigs

Acolyte I x 5

There. Now you've got a challenge and tne newbs have a chance.

Asuka Smith
Gallente
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Posted - 2009.11.13 20:31:00 - [15]
 

You guys are savaging my fit pretty hard despite it fitting the OPs requirements perfectly. I do not fly that Ishtar however if I was going to gank a newb (gank meaning not a fair fight, meaning I am going to win and the only deciding factor is if I can tackle or if he warps in time) that is why I have the signature amp and the 9km and the blasters.

That fit is AWFUL if you expect a real fight, but it is GREAT if you are just ganking the **** out of a guy who stands no chance and you want lots of DPS and you want it fast.

Ghengis Tia
Posted - 2009.11.13 20:36:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Asuka Smith
You guys are savaging my fit pretty hard despite it fitting the OPs requirements perfectly. I do not fly that Ishtar however if I was going to gank a newb (gank meaning not a fair fight, meaning I am going to win and the only deciding factor is if I can tackle or if he warps in time) that is why I have the signature amp and the 9km and the blasters.

That fit is AWFUL if you expect a real fight, but it is GREAT if you are just ganking the **** out of a guy who stands no chance and you want lots of DPS and you want it fast.


My fit was tongue in cheek, didn't you notice the Warp Core Vaporizer I?

I just thought that anyone who wants a fit to gank newbs is just asking for sarcasm and ridicule.


Steppa
Gallente
Posted - 2009.11.13 22:02:00 - [17]
 

I spent the better part of two years (2005-2007) almost exclusively in an Ishtar, both ratting in 0.0 and pvp. I can honestly say I only lost a couple in that span.

I'm coming back to the game after a long while off. While I realize there is a lot to get used to, I simply don't understand shield gear on an Ishtar.

While ratting/missions, I went with one small railgun to pull when needed and the rest of the highs were vamps. Mids were utility depending on what I was doing, but at least two slots were for grid recharge. The lows were dual rep and the rest of an armor tank. The drones were my damage. No ammo, no slots.

So...why shield gear again?

dark slanesh
Posted - 2009.11.14 00:05:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: small chimp
thanks for suggestions! I would like to kill normal mining or orethieving newbies in arnon (which is a newbie and miner infested system)


Bait them into docking at IV 3 - Bridge manufacturing facilities.

They keep various trolls for testing their bridges there, simply set the troll on the canflipper.

Norwood Franskly
Minmatar
Fleet of the Damned
Eternal Ascension
Posted - 2009.11.14 02:58:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Steppa
I spent the better part of two years (2005-2007) almost exclusively in an Ishtar, both ratting in 0.0 and pvp. I can honestly say I only lost a couple in that span.

I'm coming back to the game after a long while off. While I realize there is a lot to get used to, I simply don't understand shield gear on an Ishtar.

While ratting/missions, I went with one small railgun to pull when needed and the rest of the highs were vamps. Mids were utility depending on what I was doing, but at least two slots were for grid recharge. The lows were dual rep and the rest of an armor tank. The drones were my damage. No ammo, no slots.

So...why shield gear again?


Because the game has moved on, modern pvp is all about effective hit points, not rep amount you need a buffer tank for pvp (especially in 0.0), 1600mm plate is too hard to fit with the ishtars grid setup and gimps your maneuverability which is key advantage in flying a hac. Nos got nerfed hardcore a full rack of nos will do stuff all in modern eve, neutralizers are the better choice.

For missions the ishtar can passive shield tank better then a drake (mainly because of the high T2 base Resists a HAC gets), so why not take advantage of it. Sentry drones give you good dps (~550dps out of Garde II's with sentry damage rigs). Combine that with the ability to kite damage using a AB and it's a very effective pve ship. I know people who solo level 5 missions in ishtar (but this thread is about pvp fits so lets no digress to talking about pve here).

As a few people have mentioned dual armor rep tank has too few hit points if you fight more then 2-3 people your ship will melt very very fast (In 0.0 you will get blobbed), the reps won't have a chance to cycle. The big weakness for ishtar is the 2pt scrams (which now, since late'08 I think disable microwarp drives), THe ishtar is one of the main ships I fly including in large roaming gangs and I live in fear of the day an interceptor is able to land a 2pt scram on me.

Samantha Fu
Posted - 2009.11.14 11:21:00 - [20]
 

[Ishtar, New Setup 1]
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Ogre II x5

blasters are for tacklers & drones


 

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