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Alth
Caldari
Tripping the Rift
Posted - 2009.11.04 18:43:00 - [1]
 

Hiya everyone.

Me and some corp mates are tying to put together a 3-4 man tengu rr fleet but i can't seem to find much out there fittings wise. Checked the obvious places (eve search, battle clinic, google) to no avail :(

So far (depending on system bonuses ofc) we can do all C4 sites with 3 ravens and a scorp all remote repping.

With the reduced sig radius and remote rep bonus subsystem, are these just pipe dreams or is there a viable fit? only major draw backs i can see is no ecm and reduced range if we use HAMS.

Any constructive input would be greatly received, many thanks.

mxzf
Minmatar
Shovel Bros
Posted - 2009.11.04 20:04:00 - [2]
 

The Tengu is a shield tank, not armor tank. And there's no RR bonus subsystem that I can see; Legion and Proteus have RR-bonused subsystems, Loki and Tengu have Shield Transfer bonused subsystems.

LordThyGod
Posted - 2009.11.04 20:11:00 - [3]
 

ummm.... last i checked remote shield reps, are remote reps....

DeputyFruitfly
Posted - 2009.11.04 20:15:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: mxzf
The Tengu is a shield tank, not armor tank. And there's no RR bonus subsystem that I can see; Legion and Proteus have RR-bonused subsystems, Loki and Tengu have Shield Transfer bonused subsystems.


tengu defensive - adaptive shielding.

Alth
Caldari
Tripping the Rift
Posted - 2009.11.04 20:16:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: mxzf
The Tengu is a shield tank, not armor tank. And there's no RR bonus subsystem that I can see; Legion and Proteus have RR-bonused subsystems, Loki and Tengu have Shield Transfer bonused subsystems.


Thanks for the reply but i think you misunderstood a little, it is a shield remote rep gang we have, hence the ravens and scorp.

Lugalzagezi666
Posted - 2009.11.04 21:29:00 - [6]
 

Its possible, but id suggest using hmls. Hams dont have enough range for wh pveing imo /also tengu eats too much of them + rr isnt range bonused on t3s/.

From what i heard, tengu can solo c4s if decently pimped, so this fit should work ok with 3-4 tengus :

[Tengu, New Setup 4]
Damage Control II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

It needs cheap cap implants to permarun /or t2 cccs/, does around 550dps with furys /without implants/ and tanks around 2300 dps with 3x bonused rr.
You can also try it with rr + local tank if you feel comfortable without 2x lse buffer /faction lsb should work well and will add some dps tanked - dont forget when you will be target you will stop to rr your mates, so you dont have to permarun both rr and local tank.
Also AB - im not sure you really want one /from my experience there are alot of webs in c3+ sites/, if not, change it for lse, hardener etc.
If you dont want to use expensive faction stuff, you will prolly run into cpu issues, but you can solve it by changing diss sequencer to cpu efficiency sub /you dont need sensor strenght, but targeting range isnt bad with hmls/.

mxzf
Minmatar
Shovel Bros
Posted - 2009.11.04 22:02:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Alth
Originally by: mxzf
The Tengu is a shield tank, not armor tank. And there's no RR bonus subsystem that I can see; Legion and Proteus have RR-bonused subsystems, Loki and Tengu have Shield Transfer bonused subsystems.


Thanks for the reply but i think you misunderstood a little, it is a shield remote rep gang we have, hence the ravens and scorp.


Sorry, that makes much more sense, I'd just never heard RR used to refer to shield, but I haven't been around PvP too long either.

Alth
Caldari
Tripping the Rift
Posted - 2009.11.05 10:29:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Lugalzagezi666
Its possible, but id suggest using hmls. Hams dont have enough range for wh pveing imo /also tengu eats too much of them + rr isnt range bonused on t3s/.

From what i heard, tengu can solo c4s if decently pimped, so this fit should work ok with 3-4 tengus :

[Tengu, New Setup 4]
Damage Control II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

It needs cheap cap implants to permarun /or t2 cccs/, does around 550dps with furys /without implants/ and tanks around 2300 dps with 3x bonused rr.
You can also try it with rr + local tank if you feel comfortable without 2x lse buffer /faction lsb should work well and will add some dps tanked - dont forget when you will be target you will stop to rr your mates, so you dont have to permarun both rr and local tank.
Also AB - im not sure you really want one /from my experience there are alot of webs in c3+ sites/, if not, change it for lse, hardener etc.
If you dont want to use expensive faction stuff, you will prolly run into cpu issues, but you can solve it by changing diss sequencer to cpu efficiency sub /you dont need sensor strenght, but targeting range isnt bad with hmls/.



Interesting stuff, you confirmed my thoughts about the HAMs so HML 2's it is. Maybe i would be able to loose the Afterbuner in place for maybe another cap mod to help perma run it without implants or T2 CCC's (Esp. with the extra range of the HML).

As there will be a few of us maybe i could drop one of the 4 BCS (i think its worth about 50dps) for another cap mod too. I'll have a play with the fitting ingame tonight, thanks again for the advice :)

Poeser Rufus
Posted - 2009.11.05 12:03:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Poeser Rufus on 05/11/2009 12:08:56
Well,
if you take the unscanable Booster Tengu from the other Thread and fit for Deadspace/Faction Tanks on the other Tengus youll end up with 2230 local Tank on those little Cruisers.
Cap stable with mwd, unless neuted (heavy neut 1min / med 1:30min, if i remember right, cant look up my eft since im at work.)

Giving the fact that an Alt can be sitting somewhere in that booster you wont loose any Dps from a missing Gangship, nor from a missing Launcher on each Tengu. Only problem would be the missing buffer, but if you dont care bout the mwd, and drop the cap mod with it to fit 2 LSE II that should be a nonissue.

Droping one Launcher and still going the Shieldtransfere + Local tank as propsed should then give the Rrepped Tengu over 3200 Tank... Shocked (since its amplyfier and not adaptive shielding)
Should be overtanked in C4 Cool

Will post my eft-war when im home later, but that RR seems overkill on Tengus.

Lugalzagezi666
Posted - 2009.11.05 13:46:00 - [10]
 

Hm, i completely forgotten about gang boosting, very good idea.
But imo better to be on field and provide at least little dps, you can still be rred very efficiently with t2 resists.
And ofc 3k tank is overkill for c4.

Alth
Caldari
Tripping the Rift
Posted - 2009.11.05 14:15:00 - [11]
 

Thanks Poeser Rufus and Lugalzagezi666 for the input, tis definatly giving me food for thought. Un-scannable tengu is something i never considered either, will deffo play around wiht this once I get home and log in.

Which leads me to my next question, as this will be overkill for C4's will if be fine for c5's :D

Thanks again for your help guys :)

Poeser Rufus
Posted - 2009.11.05 17:30:00 - [12]
 

So, played a bit to make that large shield transporter fit on my tengu:

[Tengu, alt boosted wh runner w buffer]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Damage Control II

Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Pithum A-Type Magnetic Scattering Amplifier
True Sansha Medium Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 400

Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

Resis: 80,5/90,8/86,3/77,1
Cap booster 50 charges for selftank, lasts 40min7sec. With 3 remote reps and Gangboost 3347dps omnitank @ 10354 shield hp (76k ehp) with crystal. This is @ 186m Sig-Radius...
Cap booster 400 charges for 21min43sec remote rep. (squire cc8 implant)
This Setups are dealing 486 dps @ ~90km (max targeting range) with no missle-implants and cn-scourge
536 dps with HM-implants and cn-scourge.


Have fun, an let me know how they do in your WH, will be flying a Tengu in 3 Weeks, so this really is of interest to me ;-)

Lugalzagezi666
Posted - 2009.11.05 18:11:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Poeser Rufus
...

Very, very expensive - 1,5b booster and crystals... not sure id take that into wh. Btw properly fitted /deadspace/ tengu with crystals can tank c4s on its own. And cn hmls, cap booster and sub selection are not opitmal.

Originally by: Alth
Which leads me to my next question, as this will be overkill for C4's will if be fine for c5's

Hm, im not sure, wait for responses from ppl who actually did c5s, i havent. But i think in c5s more buffer will be needed.

Important questions are :
- how much buffer do you need? /to survive sleeper alpha and get rrs/
- its ab worth fitting? /i experienced 4x webs even in some c3s/
- how much dps tanked you need /much smaller sig compared to bses/

Poeser Rufus
Posted - 2009.11.05 22:41:00 - [14]
 

i agree on the expensive part, and the not perfect fitting overall, but fitting a large RR on a Tengu while still having a decent active tank will do that to a Tengu.
But i dont see anything wrong with using cap boosters in WH ,since you will have some logistics behind you when flying 4+ Tengus in a C4. And if you get neuted with an active tank fitted youll be glad you had those 400 caps lying around. Afterall your flying some Billion isk and i wouldnt risk them on 38% cap stability.
Without the RR id fly 6xHM II, faction AB, 2nd Invul. 2213dps active tank with 43k buffer. But even there id take the cap booster over a cap batterie which would make its tank stable.


 

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