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SULAN BARHIR
Gallente
United League of Independents
Posted - 2009.11.02 20:14:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: SULAN BARHIR on 02/11/2009 20:22:13
So I went to the doctor today because I had H1N1 symptoms yesterday. I just seem to have a runny nose and a cough today so no big deal.

Anyways I ask for a doctor's note explaining that I came for treatment(I missed work).

And I am asked for 10$ at the counter! (This is Vancouver, Canada)


Anyways I said no thanks and made a photocopy of my prescription at the pharmacy just because I think my boss has a right to see that I got treatment and didn't just stay home for nothing.

My question is, why are they charging money for a note? I mean I have heard of my coworkers getting charged for a doc's note before, but it didn't hit me until I experienced it myself.

EDIT: Just to clarify, doc's note used to be free.

ps.
In Canada, you don't have to pay at the doctor's office for anything cause the visiting fees are covered by the Universal Health Care Coverage. Prescriptions are paid by my private insurence.

Spaztick
Terminal Impact
Kairakau
Posted - 2009.11.02 20:40:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Spaztick on 02/11/2009 20:41:48
Because your doctor is a schmuck.

Okay really, what retarded pencil-thin neckbeard came up with these censors?

Brolly
Caldari
5ER3NITY INC
Posted - 2009.11.02 21:35:00 - [3]
 

Same here in the UK, it's freaking sick imho. Surely taking 2 minutes to write something isn't that traumatic for them, it would be nice if they could do a propper job for the money they are on.


Something Random
Gallente
The Barrow Boys
Posted - 2009.11.02 21:39:00 - [4]
 

Should live in Wales mate, its all free. Pills and Notes.

Irida Mershkov
Gallente
The Reformed
Chaos Theory Alliance
Posted - 2009.11.02 22:08:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Something Random
Should live in Wales mate, its all free. Pills and Notes.

This.

Jacob Mei
Gallente
Posted - 2009.11.02 22:27:00 - [6]
 

In the US and havent had a need for a note (whenever sick my employeers take my word for it, guess im lucky). In any case, as I always say, if something does not make sence there are always two reasons, money and or politics. In this case its money.

Doctors likely figure its an easy 10 bucks they can bleed from their customers considering how many places request a note as proof of your absence (not sure if its still practiced, but up until college for me schools requested a doctors note to excuse an absence.

To be honest I never understood the actual idea behind a doctors note. I personally only go to the doctor if I think I have something serious. If its a cold or fever ill just stay home, pop vitamins, drink chicken broth and generally sweat it out (its what the doctor would say anyway, or perscribe a broad antibotic which is worse), why go out and sit in a doctors office where you may make your recovery longer when I already know what to do?

Bestofworst
Gallente
Posted - 2009.11.02 22:31:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Jacob Mei
In the US and havent had a need for a note (whenever sick my employeers take my word for it, guess im lucky). In any case, as I always say, if something does not make sence there are always two reasons, money and or politics. In this case its money.

Doctors likely figure its an easy 10 bucks they can bleed from their customers considering how many places request a note as proof of your absence (not sure if its still practiced, but up until college for me schools requested a doctors note to excuse an absence.

To be honest I never understood the actual idea behind a doctors note. I personally only go to the doctor if I think I have something serious. If its a cold or fever ill just stay home, pop vitamins, drink chicken broth and generally sweat it out (its what the doctor would say anyway, or perscribe a broad antibotic which is worse), why go out and sit in a doctors office where you may make your recovery longer when I already know what to do?


Because the american school system sees every child as a lying, thieving miscreant that is only out to do harm and is not mature enough, even passed college, to do what is right. This is why we have the Censorships.

Jacob Mei
Gallente
Posted - 2009.11.02 22:39:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Bestofworst

Because the american school system sees every child as a lying, thieving miscreant that is only out to do harm and is not mature enough, even passed college, to do what is right. This is why we have the Censorships.


Pretty much but honestly not past college (at least in my experinece). They just give you X number of times you can miss class regardless of the reason and trust that you will be wise about it.

Bestofworst
Gallente
Posted - 2009.11.02 22:49:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: Bestofworst

Because the american school system sees every child as a lying, thieving miscreant that is only out to do harm and is not mature enough, even passed college, to do what is right. This is why we have the Censorships.


Pretty much but honestly not past college (at least in my experinece). They just give you X number of times you can miss class regardless of the reason and trust that you will be wise about it.
That's because you aren't required by law to take college, and they are getting their money anyway.

Ashani Osaka
Amarr
Ethereal Acolytes
Posted - 2009.11.02 23:09:00 - [10]
 

i live in england.

it rocks.

Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
Posted - 2009.11.02 23:49:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Originally by: Something Random
Should live in Wales mate, its all free. Pills and Notes.

This.


Indeed!

Rafus
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Aeternus.
Posted - 2009.11.03 03:35:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Rafus on 03/11/2009 03:35:52
It's something they can charge you for. That's really it. Simple greed. Why give something out for free if you can make a profit. I live in Canada and I would've had to pay $20 for a note excusing my absence from work for 3 days. But I was a student so the clerk bumped it to $10.

Juan Valhdez
Posted - 2009.11.03 08:22:00 - [13]
 

I dont know how it is everywhere, but my local public health clinic might be a good devils advocate. People go in for notoriously stupid things. Someone sleeps on their shoulder wrong, shows up, wants Vicodin, wastes taxpayers money. Requiring people to pay $10 a visit (and not even require up front payment), has reduced many nonsense visits. Might be a simmaler kind of thing going on up there.


my question is,
why do most employers feel that they need a note saying you saw a doctor? If they truly feel they cannot trust their employee on that level, they should be fired.

besides...

Walter Sobchak: You want a toe? I can get you a toe, believe me. There are ways, Dude. You don't wanna know about it, believe me.
The Dude: Yeah, but Walter...
Walter Sobchak: Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o'clock this afternoon... with nail polish.


KingsGambit
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.11.03 09:32:00 - [14]
 

I think the charge serves a couple of purposes. I'm not sure about the system in Canada specifically, but if it's similar to here then your employer might ask for a doctor's note when you take a day off sick. Here, people were abusing the system and going to the doctor with a made-up illness, got a note and pulled a sickie. The charge was introduced to cover the administrative costs of the extra workload created by this, and to gently discourage the behaviour.

They changed it in the UK now so you only need a doctor's note if you're off sick for more than 3 or 5 days (I forget which). For one or two days you just sign a company form of some sort. However, 99% of the time a doctor will issue a certificate for free for their patients who are genuinely ill.

Neyro7830
Gallente
Red Federation
Posted - 2009.11.03 10:17:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Ashani Osaka
i live in england.

it rocks.


how are you liking your police state? :D

dr doooo
Posted - 2009.11.03 10:39:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Rafus
Edited by: Rafus on 03/11/2009 03:35:52
It's something they can charge you for. That's really it. Simple greed. Why give something out for free if you can make a profit. I live in Canada and I would've had to pay $20 for a note excusing my absence from work for 3 days. But I was a student so the clerk bumped it to $10.


But it's the schools/employers who aren't trusting you, are demanding a note, and are expecting the Drs to supply it for free. They should pay, and if not your venom should be directed at them. The days when Doctors only did a few hours surgery a day handing out antibiotics, sugar pills, and sick notes to people with nothing more than a cold cluttering up the surgery, are long gone.



Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.11.03 11:31:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Neyro7830
Originally by: Ashani Osaka
i live in england.

it rocks.


how are you liking your police state? :D


Not much less than I'm liking my free healthcare and not ending up $75000 in debt because I had an accident.

Given the law enforcement over here I'm less likely to be a victim of violent crime, and very unlikely to have to use that free healthcare to be treated for gunshot wounds because some group of morons thought it would be a good idea to make it every inbred halfwit's right to own a firearm 300 years ago.

Suck it up Laughing


TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2009.11.03 11:41:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: KingsGambit
I think the charge serves a couple of purposes. I'm not sure about the system in Canada specifically, but if it's similar to here then your employer might ask for a doctor's note when you take a day off sick. Here, people were abusing the system and going to the doctor with a made-up illness, got a note and pulled a sickie. The charge was introduced to cover the administrative costs of the extra workload created by this, and to gently discourage the behaviour.

They changed it in the UK now so you only need a doctor's note if you're off sick for more than 3 or 5 days (I forget which). For one or two days you just sign a company form of some sort. However, 99% of the time a doctor will issue a certificate for free for their patients who are genuinely ill.


Aye I'm pretty sure Canada and UK shouldn't be charging for doctors notes, as its one of those things that "taxes the poor more than the rich".

Tallaran Kouros
Cryptonym Sleepers
Posted - 2009.11.03 12:49:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: KingsGambit
I think the charge serves a couple of purposes. I'm not sure about the system in Canada specifically, but if it's similar to here then your employer might ask for a doctor's note when you take a day off sick. Here, people were abusing the system and going to the doctor with a made-up illness, got a note and pulled a sickie. The charge was introduced to cover the administrative costs of the extra workload created by this, and to gently discourage the behaviour.

They changed it in the UK now so you only need a doctor's note if you're off sick for more than 3 or 5 days (I forget which). For one or two days you just sign a company form of some sort. However, 99% of the time a doctor will issue a certificate for free for their patients who are genuinely ill.


Aye I'm pretty sure Canada and UK shouldn't be charging for doctors notes, as its one of those things that "taxes the poor more than the rich".


A medical certificate != a doctor's letter.

When you are on benefits and require a medical certificate for some sort of exemption (or for say, a claim for Incapacity Benefit) then there is a standard form that a GP can fill in for this.

If you are working and need a doctor's letter (i.e. a professional service) for your employer then this is treated as a private request for the doctor's time and they quite reasonably charge for this.

dr doooo
Posted - 2009.11.03 12:51:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: KingsGambit
I think the charge serves a couple of purposes. I'm not sure about the system in Canada specifically, but if it's similar to here then your employer might ask for a doctor's note when you take a day off sick. Here, people were abusing the system and going to the doctor with a made-up illness, got a note and pulled a sickie. The charge was introduced to cover the administrative costs of the extra workload created by this, and to gently discourage the behaviour.

They changed it in the UK now so you only need a doctor's note if you're off sick for more than 3 or 5 days (I forget which). For one or two days you just sign a company form of some sort. However, 99% of the time a doctor will issue a certificate for free for their patients who are genuinely ill.


Aye I'm pretty sure Canada and UK shouldn't be charging for doctors notes, as its one of those things that "taxes the poor more than the rich".


Shocked If that's an issue in your UK, it must be a different country to the one I've been living in.


Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2009.11.03 12:53:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Neyro7830
Originally by: Ashani Osaka
i live in england.
it rocks.

how are you liking your police state? :D

I live in the US, pretty sure we have a police state too. I'd compare the two, but I just don't have time between my tasings.

People actually get Dr. notes for sick days? My employer doesn't care, we get 160hours per year to do with whatever we can manage (vacation days, sick days, etc). It's true FREEDOM.

Now some people think 160hours off a year is absurd. These people are either elitist socialists from old Europe or simply haven't been enlightened to the wonders of unbridled and unchecked capitalism. A system so healthy and vibrant that it has effectively purchased all of the peoples representatives, oversight elements and executive management of our fair Republic. *breath*

Seriously, i'm 1 bad day from 'victory to the proletariat!'.

Think i'll calm down w/ a cigarette.... (ohnoes now i have a pre-existing condition Crying or Very sad)

Midge Mo'yb
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.03 12:56:00 - [22]
 

v0v
tbh, other than been sent to ocupational health(mandatory Eye examination etc due to prolonged computer use) every 1-2 years by my employer ive not seen a doctor in over 10 years

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2009.11.03 15:42:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: dr doooo
Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: KingsGambit
I think the charge serves a couple of purposes. I'm not sure about the system in Canada specifically, but if it's similar to here then your employer might ask for a doctor's note when you take a day off sick. Here, people were abusing the system and going to the doctor with a made-up illness, got a note and pulled a sickie. The charge was introduced to cover the administrative costs of the extra workload created by this, and to gently discourage the behaviour.

They changed it in the UK now so you only need a doctor's note if you're off sick for more than 3 or 5 days (I forget which). For one or two days you just sign a company form of some sort. However, 99% of the time a doctor will issue a certificate for free for their patients who are genuinely ill.


Aye I'm pretty sure Canada and UK shouldn't be charging for doctors notes, as its one of those things that "taxes the poor more than the rich".


Shocked If that's an issue in your UK, it must be a different country to the one I've been living in.




lol I'm one of the people who votes Lib Dems. Labour are pretty fail socialists.

Nebulous
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.11.03 19:04:00 - [24]
 

Just like to clear something up about how it works in england.

Doctors note for longer than a week = FREE!

Doctors note for five days or less = You pay for it! (cost varies between practices)

In england your boss should "NOT" ask for a sick note for five days or less, the "LAW" says you are allowed to self cert when you are absent for five days or less. (of course if you have repeated sickness your employee may discipline you and/or request medical records)

The only time you should need a doctors note for less than five days is if your company pays you for being absent and therefore may request a note.... in which case they would usually cover the cost anyway.


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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2009.11.03 19:56:00 - [25]
 

Well that is kind of underhanded, but I guess that is how people are.

I work with what is called PTO (paid time off). Each pay period you acrue PTO hours and sick leave. You are unable to use sick days until you use 5 consecutive PTO days. This prevents people from getting sick/hungover and calling in sick. You want to take a day off to recover from some stupid ddecisions then take PTO. If you are really sick we will cover you once you prove that you are really sick, lol. I did not abuse the system and when I ended up in the hospital I got paid for three months straight without working a single hour Very Happy


Slade

Something Random
Gallente
The Barrow Boys
Posted - 2009.11.04 10:00:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Midge Mo'yb
v0v
tbh, other than been sent to ocupational health(mandatory Eye examination etc due to prolonged computer use) every 1-2 years by my employer ive not seen a doctor in over 10 years


These are the happy days my man. I was the same through my 20's with only one dip when i had a sciatic nerve problem (trust me THAT HURTS!) and had to be off work for 3 weeks - not bad for a decade. I trampled into my 30's and have been hit again and again with niggly little problems almost constantly.

It doesnt last sadly Crying or Very sad


 

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