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Roland Deschaines
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.11.01 11:47:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Roland Deschaines on 01/11/2009 11:51:31
Edited by: Roland Deschaines on 01/11/2009 11:49:23
Currently there is no centralized resource to know which changes are in effect on Sisi.

You have to go back and forth b/e various threads, incomplete patch notes, not knowing whether the changes are only announced or already there.

It'd be great to have one nice, clean page, with all the changes currently ON Sisi.

If I'm wrong about this and there are some good resources, or there are some ways which I'm not aware of of getting the information, troll me all you want but please also point me to said resources.

EDIT: While I'm at it, why is there one station for reps and one for the market in FD-?

HeliosGal
Caldari
Posted - 2009.11.01 12:21:00 - [2]
 

patch notes for each build. CCP staff all seem to be on holiday it would seem so the few dev replys we have gotten have been very vague. the ones that are working are beavering down busy at work generally balancing the new hub system and focusing on planetary graphics i would guess

Roland Deschaines
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.11.02 08:56:00 - [3]
 

Meh. So there's absolutely nothing?

CCP Atropos

Posted - 2009.11.02 09:02:00 - [4]
 

I know it may sound like a simple request, but the compositing of the various teams changes is only done prior to release, when we're sure that a feature is complete and won't be pulled at the last minute. To do otherwise would require a lengthy collation and review process for each build, something that we're not really willing to undertake.

Just rest assured that there will be one, before release.

MuffinsRevenger
Kenny Starfighter Appreciation Club
Posted - 2009.11.02 09:23:00 - [5]
 

How about having a wikipage and uppdating it everytime to add somthing onto singularity?

Ivanna Nuke
Gallente
Holders Of The Cowbell
Posted - 2009.11.02 10:58:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: MuffinsRevenger
How about having a wikipage and uppdating it everytime to add somthing onto singularity?


This

Even a rough idea would be handy.

Caldor Mansi
Posted - 2009.11.02 11:25:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: CCP Atropos
I know it may sound like a simple request, but the compositing of the various teams changes is only done prior to release, when we're sure that a feature is complete and won't be pulled at the last minute. To do otherwise would require a lengthy collation and review process for each build, something that we're not really willing to undertake.

Just rest assured that there will be one, before release.


No wonder the game is so bugged...

Roland Deschaines
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.11.02 11:28:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Roland Deschaines on 02/11/2009 11:30:26
Originally by: CCP Atropos
To do otherwise would require a lengthy collation and review process for each build, something that we're not really willing to undertake.


You make it sound like you'd have to log in to Sisi after each new build, look at everything's that changed and create a changelog anew.

1. Make one initial changelog for the first build of the new patch. Takes some time to code the page possibly, but you're going to have to do it anyway eventually, whether it's at the beginning of the testing phase or just before release.
2. Dev is working on the next build, changes something, jots it down on a piece of scrap paper.
3. While new build is deployed, someone looks at said piece of scrap paper and copies it to the top of the changelog page.

Problem solved.

Draco Argen
Posted - 2009.11.02 13:51:00 - [9]
 

I agree it is not "simple" to release patch notes, in general.

However I can not believe that Eve is not on version control.

So, for example with Subversion, you could post the diff between the last Sisi release (marked as a tag) and current. This wouldn't be appropriate on its own (Customers would be confused), but with a bit of creative scripting you could pull all the commented check-in's for the files altered. Bingo, from one man days work, automated release notes. Anything pulled before Sisi release isn't included, and no dev or admin time to check whats changed. This could be done on git, bizzar or any Version control with comments and ok queries.

I suppose you may not want us to see every commit, but there are easy ways round that. This all just requires a bit of formality with your check-in comments.

It defiantly does surprise me that management doesn't want the differences between Sisi each deployment, to see progress. Let alone for the bug hunters to track success of fixes.

The final benefit would be use greedy customers Very Happy. Which for Sisi patch notes per build, we don't really have much umph to ask for, as long as you get the release build up to scratch Twisted Evil

Fvmosvs
Posted - 2009.11.02 16:12:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Fvmosvs on 02/11/2009 16:12:43
Facebook does something like this: Push Changes - Sep 29 2009

of course, this works better with a public bug tracker and such..

An Anarchyyt
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.02 16:22:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: MuffinsRevenger
How about having a wikipage and uppdating it everytime to add somthing onto singularity?


Will you also be making sure that every change that gets taken out or feature that gets scrapped is deleted?

Roland Deschaines
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.11.04 11:54:00 - [12]
 

Bump.

An Anarchyyt
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.11.04 14:06:00 - [13]
 

If you can't figure out how to get them yourself, you don't need to be on the test server.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2009.11.04 14:25:00 - [14]
 

CCP are good at asking for testing help on the big-ticket items, but absolutely crap at doing the same for the "small" stuff ..

I have been asking for testing lists for a long time(ie. what I am to try to break), but so far no joy.
Considering that the small things seem to be more prone to generate bugs post release I am honestly a little perplexed as to why not.





 

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