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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2009.10.29 22:58:00 - [31]
 

Just signed up for the beta and downloaded the client. Hopefully will be playing soon so keep tuned to this thread.

N Ano
Caldari
Templars of Space
Posted - 2009.10.29 23:00:00 - [32]
 


Elisean
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2009.10.29 23:02:00 - [33]
 

downloading

D3F4ULT
Gallente
Pegasus Mining Korp
Posted - 2009.10.29 23:03:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Zeba
Just signed up for the beta and downloaded the client. Hopefully will be playing soon so keep tuned to this thread.

ditto. I just signed up 2 hours ago. Still no conformation fyi. Don't expect one until tomorrow.


Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Posted - 2009.10.29 23:13:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Seishomaru
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
IBTL

(In Before The Lawyers)


it might not be easy at all to lawyers do anything. Check for example titan quest. an even more price ripoff of diablo 2 than this game is from eve. Even the keys commands are exactly the same.

Even tough it was considered valid since all the art was original and the game had a different scenario.

You really cannot sue someone from usign generic things liek signle server (daaa by default most systems in world are single server) or even having 4 different damage types (you know.. 4 is a free number.. liek any other).


If you could really sue a game company because simple concepts as that , ID could have sued every single FPS game developer in computer game history!

So things are not that simple!


How much would you bet that nothing anywhere in the game constitutes a breach of IP rights? I mean, EA infamously trademarked the use of an emote for triggering a barrel roll...

Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2009.10.29 23:14:00 - [36]
 

will apply for beta...

Drakarian
Viziam
Posted - 2009.10.29 23:27:00 - [37]
 

Aren't the basic eve mechanics the same as what Freelancer was supposed to be? If I was ccp i'd be ****ed, but don't think there's anything they can do.

The thing that bugs me the most about this game is the obvious lack of effort to come up with a unique story...the whole concept of the game is ground based eve.

Anyone know if the movement is the same as eve, or if it's a twitch game?

Seishomaru
Posted - 2009.10.29 23:32:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Originally by: Seishomaru
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
IBTL

(In Before The Lawyers)


it might not be easy at all to lawyers do anything. Check for example titan quest. an even more price ripoff of diablo 2 than this game is from eve. Even the keys commands are exactly the same.

Even tough it was considered valid since all the art was original and the game had a different scenario.

You really cannot sue someone from usign generic things liek signle server (daaa by default most systems in world are single server) or even having 4 different damage types (you know.. 4 is a free number.. liek any other).


If you could really sue a game company because simple concepts as that , ID could have sued every single FPS game developer in computer game history!

So things are not that simple!


How much would you bet that nothing anywhere in the game constitutes a breach of IP rights? I mean, EA infamously trademarked the use of an emote for triggering a barrel roll...


yes and several others did such type of patents.. but check how many times they were successful on enforcing them ... Even the whole concept of MMO has been patented loong long ago even before ultima online. Even so the ones holding the patent got NOTHING from any of the MMO companies.

The concept of text editor was patented.. now.. do you really think that patent got uphold? Things are not black and white in real world :)

Elisean
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2009.10.29 23:41:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Drakarian
Aren't the basic eve mechanics the same as what Freelancer was supposed to be? If I was ccp i'd be ****ed, but don't think there's anything they can do.

The thing that bugs me the most about this game is the obvious lack of effort to come up with a unique story...the whole concept of the game is ground based eve.

Anyone know if the movement is the same as eve, or if it's a twitch game?


See, that's the funny thing, if it is real time shooter type game, then it won't be anything like eve :P

it would be like is a megaman game used the UI for wow buy was still a 2d shooter.

Honestly, I bet CCP will be happy to see someone copy their UI. +10 internet points for CCP. They copied .. no wait, were inspired by many space games before it, as far as UI and story. And now eve is one of those games. This officially makes eve online a classic : )


D3F4ULT
Gallente
Pegasus Mining Korp
Posted - 2009.10.29 23:46:00 - [40]
 

Honestly, If I had the ability like these developers. I would try to create something similar to EVE. EVE is getting bigger, it's been growing...err.. I mean dieing.

So another company is trying to take some of the sunshine by doing what has given CCP success. It's only logical, but pushes the border of legality. :P

LeBelInconnu
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2009.10.29 23:50:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: D3F4ULT
Honestly, If I had the ability like these developers. I would try to create something similar to EVE. EVE is getting bigger, it's been growing...err.. I mean dieing.

So another company is trying to take some of the sunshine by doing what has given CCP success. It's only logical, but pushes the border of legality. :P


yeah, form what i've seen they aren't a bad company, everythign but the UI, which is all orginal (as far as we eve fan know) so I guess they just said, hey, hell, **** wow, lets use eve, they must be doing something right.

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2009.10.29 23:56:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: LeBelInconnu
Originally by: D3F4ULT
Honestly, If I had the ability like these developers. I would try to create something similar to EVE. EVE is getting bigger, it's been growing...err.. I mean dieing.

So another company is trying to take some of the sunshine by doing what has given CCP success. It's only logical, but pushes the border of legality. :P


yeah, form what i've seen they aren't a bad company, everythign but the UI, which is all orginal (as far as we eve fan know) so I guess they just said, hey, hell, **** wow, lets use eve, they must be doing something right.
Also as far as the legality is concerned well lord of the rings online is pretty much an exact clone of wow only with hobbbits and I have never heard even a peep about blizzard sueing them for ip infringment.

D3F4ULT
Gallente
Pegasus Mining Korp
Posted - 2009.10.30 00:18:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: D3F4ULT on 30/10/2009 00:17:51
http://perpetuum-online.blogspot.com/

They have a blog spot, check out how they record online players to the right. Seem familiar as well? lol

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2009.10.30 00:21:00 - [44]
 

Heh, 28 players peak pcu. I bet they ok the aps we all sent asap. Razz

Graelyn
Amarr
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2009.10.30 00:27:00 - [45]
 

Good lord, what a ripoff job! Shocked

D3F4ULT
Gallente
Pegasus Mining Korp
Posted - 2009.10.30 00:30:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Graelyn
Good lord, what a ripoff job! Shocked

Actually, it seems pretty awesome. *this is viewing from outside the beta*
http://www.perpetuum-online.com/Media:Videos

I'm loving the a,s,w,d movement. Or at least I'm hoping it's a,s,w,d. It seems like it.



Kazang
Wrecking Shots
Posted - 2009.10.30 00:40:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: LeBelInconnu
Originally by: D3F4ULT
Honestly, If I had the ability like these developers. I would try to create something similar to EVE. EVE is getting bigger, it's been growing...err.. I mean dieing.

So another company is trying to take some of the sunshine by doing what has given CCP success. It's only logical, but pushes the border of legality. :P


yeah, form what i've seen they aren't a bad company, everythign but the UI, which is all orginal (as far as we eve fan know) so I guess they just said, hey, hell, **** wow, lets use eve, they must be doing something right.

Also as far as the legality is concerned well lord of the rings online is pretty much an exact clone of wow only with hobbbits and I have never heard even a peep about blizzard sueing them for ip infringment.



Wrong.

For a start Blizzard was not the first company to do a fantasy mmo so would not be entitled to sue and they full well know that. Wow was an everquest clone, a number of ex-everquest devs work for blizzard now. In its turn Everquest was based on ultima online, and UO on earlier MUD MMOs.

Lord of the Rings online is nothing like wow. I've played both and they are chalk and cheese as far as mmo's go, LotRO is more like Guildwars than wow. Its like comparing Colin Mcrae Rally to Gran Turismo, they are both racing games yes but they entirely different to play.
You cannot copyright a genre anyway.

An IP is not a genre. The IP in game terms is the actual code base, the art, lore, world, characters, the universe and features of it.
Warhammer is an IP, its a world and the ideas and features associated with it. But tabletop games as a whole are not included in this, only features that involve Games Workshop's IP, such as the Chaos Faction and certain abilities and features associated with that.
The EVE IP is the same. For example if this new game copied the pod mechanic and story, cloning and other details included that would be IP infringement. The details are important.


There are certain things that fall under copyright laws as i mentioned above and things that are blatant copies with only the name changed are included in that.
If Perpetuum infringes on CCPs IP is up to them and eventually the courts to decide. Its blatantly a clone but it is different in a lot of key areas (its not about spaceships for one huge one) and if the key details enough then it is not illegal.
Cloning games is as old as the industry itself and you can see that for yourself if you google for pong clones.


Copyright and patent law is extremely complicated and its pretty much impossible for any bystander to say what is and is not against the law.



iP0D
Posted - 2009.10.30 00:42:00 - [48]
 

It's interesting though, as a concept. Good old mechs, some serious EVE err "inspiration", "similar" mechanisms, part of me is really curious for the open beta I have to admit.


Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2009.10.30 00:50:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Kazang
Wrong.

For a start Blizzard was not the first company to do a fantasy mmo so would not be entitled to sue and they full well know that. Wow was an everquest clone, a number of ex-everquest devs work for blizzard now. In its turn Everquest was based on ultima online, and UO on earlier MUD MMOs.

Lord of the Rings online is nothing like wow. I've played both and they are chalk and cheese as far as mmo's go, LotRO is more like Guildwars than wow. Its like comparing Colin Mcrae Rally to Gran Turismo, they are both racing games yes but they entirely different to play.
You cannot copyright a genre anyway.

An IP is not a genre. The IP in game terms is the actual code base, the art, lore, world, characters, the universe and features of it.
Warhammer is an IP, its a world and the ideas and features associated with it. But tabletop games as a whole are not included in this, only features that involve Games Workshop's IP, such as the Chaos Faction and certain abilities and features associated with that.
The EVE IP is the same. For example if this new game copied the pod mechanic and story, cloning and other details included that would be IP infringement. The details are important.


There are certain things that fall under copyright laws as i mentioned above and things that are blatant copies with only the name changed are included in that.
If Perpetuum infringes on CCPs IP is up to them and eventually the courts to decide. Its blatantly a clone but it is different in a lot of key areas (its not about spaceships for one huge one) and if the key details enough then it is not illegal.
Cloning games is as old as the industry itself and you can see that for yourself if you google for pong clones.


Copyright and patent law is extremely complicated and its pretty much impossible for any bystander to say what is and is not against the law.
Ok then everquest never sued wow or lord of the rings yadda yadda. And my point was that lotr 'looks' exactly like wow even if the particular gameplay elements differ subtly. That was why I said legal action is not really a concern in this case especially as ccp has left this thread open and in the gd. They are probably just as curious as us about how the game progresses and is gauging our interest too as they have thier own ground pounder in the works and this might suck some subs away to boot if it turns out to be well made gameplay wise. I'm suprised really that its not more visible in the media as this seems to be a mechwarrior veterans dream come true.

Zeredek
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.10.30 00:54:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: Zeredek on 30/10/2009 01:05:33
Originally by: PERPETUUM Guide
Moving the robot You have various ways of controlling your robot, be it manual or automatic, whatever fits your playing style:
W-A-S-D and arrows

Simple and easy way. W - forward, A - backward, S - strafe left, D - strafe right, and movement by cursor arrows is also available. The robot will then move until the button is released.
Robot movement can also be controlled by the camera movement. If You are going forward - by holding key W - the robot will follow the turning of the camera.

Tile selection
If You select a tile with a double-click, the robot will go to it.

Approach
After You have locked a target, simply click on the approach icon in the Landmark information window. In case the approached target is faster than You, Your robot will follow the targeted robot.


EDIT: Paragraphs

EDIT 2: Downlading. Anyone wanna fleet up in-game?

EDIT 3: Oh god, they need to confirm my registration? Mad

D3F4ULT
Gallente
Pegasus Mining Korp
Posted - 2009.10.30 01:10:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Zeredek
Edited by: Zeredek on 30/10/2009 01:05:33
Originally by: PERPETUUM Guide
Moving the robot You have various ways of controlling your robot, be it manual or automatic, whatever fits your playing style:
W-A-S-D and arrows

Simple and easy way. W - forward, A - backward, S - strafe left, D - strafe right, and movement by cursor arrows is also available. The robot will then move until the button is released.
Robot movement can also be controlled by the camera movement. If You are going forward - by holding key W - the robot will follow the turning of the camera.

Tile selection
If You select a tile with a double-click, the robot will go to it.

Approach
After You have locked a target, simply click on the approach icon in the Landmark information window. In case the approached target is faster than You, Your robot will follow the targeted robot.


EDIT: Paragraphs

EDIT 2: Downlading. Anyone wanna fleet up in-game?

EDIT 3: Oh god, they need to confirm my registration? Mad


If EVE Players did join, they'd run it the "real" way and destroy anyone that has any random curiosity of the game without any experience in EVE. I say we wait then attack the servers ^.^ :P

Zeredek
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.10.30 01:15:00 - [52]
 

Internet robots is serious bussiness...

Kharamete
Amarr
Posted - 2009.10.30 01:37:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Kharamete on 30/10/2009 01:37:38
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_uUn3C9_6Rv0/SuM9j5JyckI/AAAAAAAAAXU/4C6jguaW29c/s1600-h/Perpetuum_0206.png

lol

Check the picture out. Check the name of the robot. Check where it's standing. :P

Anhur Shu
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2009.10.30 01:38:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Anhur Shu on 30/10/2009 01:43:56
That right there! That's what the planetary interaction SHOULD'VE been in EVE!

I mean really, why would a civilization advanced enough to be flying cities in space NOT be using some sort of mechs for ground combat, rather than infantry.

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2009.10.30 01:42:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Zeba on 30/10/2009 01:43:16
Originally by: Zeredek
EDIT 3: Oh god, they need to confirm my registration? Mad

Its a closed beta so if they do happen to accept you then you will be treated to the standard horribly buggy and feature incomplete goodness that beta testers have to suffer through. So don't apply if your not interested in actually testing it and giving feedback and wait for the open beta which will be geared for the pew pew minded.

Zeredek
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.10.30 01:45:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Kharamete
Edited by: Kharamete on 30/10/2009 01:37:38
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_uUn3C9_6Rv0/SuM9j5JyckI/AAAAAAAAAXU/4C6jguaW29c/s1600-h/Perpetuum_0206.png

lol

Check the picture out. Check the name of the robot. Check where it's standing. :P


Nano it! Very Happy

Kharamete
Amarr
Posted - 2009.10.30 01:48:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Zeredek


Nano it! Very Happy


There is indeed a strong steel wire and duct tape feel to it. Very Happy

Zeredek
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.10.30 02:06:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Kharamete
Originally by: Zeredek


Nano it! Very Happy


There is indeed a strong steel wire and duct tape feel to it. Very Happy


Needs moar rust

Victor Vision
Amarr
Central Intelligence Service
Posted - 2009.10.30 02:10:00 - [59]
 

I liked it so much - I bought the company. Embarassed

Cheesestick Charlie
Posted - 2009.10.30 02:16:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Cheesestick Charlie on 30/10/2009 02:16:23
So I assume that EVE players are gonna end up being their only customers, at least in the Beta? That would be hilarious...

Also, CCP comment?


*signs up for beta*


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