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Xostean
Posted - 2010.06.06 02:42:00 - [151]
 

Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Originally by: Xostean
Sorry im a bit of a noob here. But exactly how do i fit 3 missile launchers that each take over 3k power to support and a cloak that takes over 10k CPU when the SB only has 43W and 368CPU?


check its bonuses. SB gets a bonus that allows it to fit torp launchers.


Oh wow, they really need to take that into effect when you look at it in the market

Mark Hadden
Amarr
Endstati0n
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.07.05 15:57:00 - [152]
 

the best fit for soloing, I figured out is this one:

it works very, very well IMO, tanks a lot and does decent damage to larger targets.

Andreya
Red Federation
Posted - 2010.07.08 16:24:00 - [153]
 

I read this whole thing through.
The main issue is dealing with drones. one guy even fits a small smartbomb (it works for him i guess) that does 9 dps (over multiple targets of course). but a small autocannon can get you 28 dps.
giving up the bomb launcher for a way to kill drones. ive fitted this before intending to try it, but i never actually had to deal with light drones when i attempted.
other than the fact the target may have friend arrive... but i would think your usually missing kills cause the drones deny you the kill.

this would add some credibility to the MSE setups, seeing as you will tank the drones long enough to kill them all.
(also maybe an option for manticore/nesmesis)

yes/no?
(ill be trying it out again this weekend, i suppose i could just test this with frineds)

Valadeya uthanaras
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:55:00 - [154]
 

Let me explain why such drone killing tactic is flawed at the very core:

to kill drone you need to do so at the expense of your bomb launcher!

the bomb launcher is one of the strongest equipement in the game because it give insane versatility for 3 main reason:

it can instakill mwding frigate with relative safety
it unlock the damage barrier inherent to the bomber , aka if you are not using racial torpedoes you are doing it VERY wrong

and third and most importantly

its an amazing alpha strike tool, equivalent to 2-3 torp volley worth of damage


the problem with smartbombs and guns killing the opponent drone come from many factor:


how fast does the target take deploy them?

if he deploy them early, a bomb might have outright killed them, if he deploy them after an initial bomb strike they are not yet on you and you still have time to kill the target with the amazing alpha the bomb gave you


how long for them to be in your gun effective range?

if he deploy them and they are now on their way to you, how long does that represent relative to your speed and the drone speed. the longuer they take , the longuer you can't apply your anti-drone strategy to them
meaning time that a bomber with no anti-drone strategy would be able to use relativly safely


how long it will take to kill them? Does he have spare?


The smartbomb, especially a small one, will take an extremly long time to kill the drones, at the cost of capacitor, that you need to run the point, and your speed mod
With a small autocannons how long does it take to kill each drone, if longer than your sheild can hold , its pretty pointless to try to kill the drone. how long does it take you to lock the drone and be effectivly damaging them?
if he got spare, can you handle them as well?




The main point of all this is , with a MSE/bomb launcher setup, you will most likely kill the target before the drone even start to hurt you badly, While the smartbomb/MSE will still be dealing with drones

with the cap booster setup, you indeed ignore most small drone using target, but there is a good proportion, because of the initial volley with the bomb launcher, that will die before they even launch small drones, or if they did, before the small drone reach you

therefore, no drone killing tactic are not viable Rolling Eyes

Valadeya



Andreya
Red Federation
Posted - 2010.07.10 07:01:00 - [155]
 

I understand all your points, and they are definately valid.
i was also implying that for low sec use (im currently in Red Vs Blue corps, which is all empire space) so i dont get to use bombs either.

with a single autocannon, range and tracking of the turret on the drones should be pretty fair.
and im not implying it would fix all drone ship scenarios.. it can just be an oppertunity to increase the amount of targets you can take down. if they have only 5 small drones (plus whatever meds and heavys) then you can wipe out their only defense against you.

also, keep drones on overview, and the second he launches them, just start targeting them all, and just have the gun plink away at them.

plus, that autocannon has saved me from a the odd frig thats gotten on me twice...

that being said, ill admit, i have not properly tested this on killing drones off (i tried back in the day, i havent played in 8 months)
and i cant test it currently as im on a 3g connection :(

but by all means, if one of you guys can hop out there with a friend and see if you can plink off his warrior IIs with your autocannon, i would appreciate it Very Happy

and yea, im not really a supporter of the smartbomb idea, not that it wouldnt work. and yes i agree the bombs are a huge sacrifice... but i guess its up to the pilot and what they are comfortable with.



Robert Caldera
Posted - 2010.07.11 03:38:00 - [156]
 

dont kill the drones, tank them

Andreya
Red Federation
Posted - 2010.07.11 05:08:00 - [157]
 

damn me and my 3g internet... i get 3 Gigs a month... damn you australia! (only only who doesnt have unlimited internet.. ever YARRRR!!
BM'd that vid for later when i got the bandwidth, cheers. what were you using? mind explaining wether your using AB or MWD, what speed? what sorta drones can hit ya?
sorry :(

Cobaltblack
Posted - 2010.07.12 16:53:00 - [158]
 

Great guide!! quick question, what is considered a "small target" for Malkuth' Siege Missile Launcher I?

Lance Freedom
Posted - 2010.08.24 22:11:00 - [159]
 

Edited by: Lance Freedom on 24/08/2010 22:11:08
Valadeya,

I took the liberty of turning your guide into a PDF file for portability. I hope you don't mind. I threw in some pretty pictures too ;)

SB_GUIDE.pdf

-LF

Jonkain
Posted - 2010.08.25 11:31:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: Lance Freedom
Edited by: Lance Freedom on 24/08/2010 22:11:08
Valadeya,

I took the liberty of turning your guide into a PDF file for portability. I hope you don't mind. I threw in some pretty pictures too ;)

SB_GUIDE.pdf

-LF


Great guide Valadeya and nice work on the PDF conversion Lance Freedom.

Space Concubine
Posted - 2010.08.25 23:32:00 - [161]
 

Originally by: Robert Caldera
dont kill the drones, tank them


Is this you in the video? If so, I have a question (or maybe others can answer it)

When flying a SB with an AB rather than a MWD, why would you stay at 20+ km? If you close to say, 5km, you can orbit at full speed, with a higher angular velocity, and use a scram instead of a disruptor to save a lot of capacitor.

So, somebody enlighten me.

Leranthe
Posted - 2010.08.26 14:01:00 - [162]
 

Originally by: Space Concubine
Originally by: Robert Caldera
dont kill the drones, tank them


Is this you in the video? If so, I have a question (or maybe others can answer it)

When flying a SB with an AB rather than a MWD, why would you stay at 20+ km? If you close to say, 5km, you can orbit at full speed, with a higher angular velocity, and use a scram instead of a disruptor to save a lot of capacitor.

So, somebody enlighten me.



Because if you are that close they could webb you.

Johnny cruz
Posted - 2010.08.26 16:49:00 - [163]
 

If you notice, none of the dps he ever takes with the AB fit is due to guns being able to track him. It's drones/missiles. getting closer only puts him at more risk (nuets, can't gtfo quickly, etc).

That bomber fit though heh... expensive losses, and he does lose them :P.

Thermo Luminescence
Posted - 2010.10.13 05:41:00 - [164]
 

thank you for this thread :P

Stygian Knight
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.10.13 07:35:00 - [165]
 

Best solo guide is:

- find biggest blob on the map
- sneak into system
- warp on the grid where 300+ hostiles are fighting each other
- launch bomb
- profit on multiple killboards



Armtoe
Posted - 2010.10.16 05:10:00 - [166]
 

Edited by: Armtoe on 16/10/2010 21:30:23
I'm realtively new to eve and I thought that I would give this a shot since I really like the hound, but I've been having trouble making this work. I tired against a tempest and I thought that I would be able to out run his hammerhead x2 -- am i mistaken in this? I also tried against a rupture and his guns tracked and killed me just fine. Am I doing something worng? In both cases I mwd at 20k. I also notice that Im so soft that I cant get out if it goes wrong. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Also -- how does this all play out in empire where bombs are not allowed? It seems that most folk carry light drones just in case they are ganked, so it doesnt seem there is much opportunity to solo.

Valadeya uthanaras
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.10.20 03:01:00 - [167]
 

Originally by: Armtoe

I'm realtively new to eve and I thought that I would give this a shot since I really like the hound, but I've been having trouble making this work. I tired against a tempest and I thought that I would be able to out run his hammerhead x2 -- am i mistaken in this? I also tried against a rupture and his guns tracked and killed me just fine. Am I doing something worng? In both cases I mwd at 20k. I also notice that Im so soft that I cant get out if it goes wrong. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Also -- how does this all play out in empire where bombs are not allowed? It seems that most folk carry light drones just in case they are ganked, so it doesnt seem there is much opportunity to solo.



In the case of the tempest, you should have been able to outrun the hammerhead II, them being the slowest medium drone out there. You might also be missing speed increase from higher skill and implants, you should normally have a speed of over 2.6km/s, if you didnt have such speed, you might be missing some crucial skills and implants.

It is also possible, but unlikely, that he was carrying drone navigation link to significantly increase his drone speed.

Finally, and other reason might be that he had his drone already out and your automatic orbit pat took you directly into them.

When it come to the rupture, it would have been better to avoid it, medium autocannons loaded with long range ammo have sufficient tracking and range to hit a bomber orbiting at 20km. As said initially, this bomber setup is mostly to kill battleship, where you can evade their guns tracking.

valadeya

Vol Arm'OOO
Posted - 2010.10.25 15:18:00 - [168]
 

Originally by: Valadeya uthanaras
Originally by: Armtoe

I'm realtively new to eve and I thought that I would give this a shot since I really like the hound, but I've been having trouble making this work. I tired against a tempest and I thought that I would be able to out run his hammerhead x2 -- am i mistaken in this? I also tried against a rupture and his guns tracked and killed me just fine. Am I doing something worng? In both cases I mwd at 20k. I also notice that Im so soft that I cant get out if it goes wrong. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Also -- how does this all play out in empire where bombs are not allowed? It seems that most folk carry light drones just in case they are ganked, so it doesnt seem there is much opportunity to solo.



In the case of the tempest, you should have been able to outrun the hammerhead II, them being the slowest medium drone out there. You might also be missing speed increase from higher skill and implants, you should normally have a speed of over 2.6km/s, if you didnt have such speed, you might be missing some crucial skills and implants.

It is also possible, but unlikely, that he was carrying drone navigation link to significantly increase his drone speed.

Finally, and other reason might be that he had his drone already out and your automatic orbit pat took you directly into them.

When it come to the rupture, it would have been better to avoid it, medium autocannons loaded with long range ammo have sufficient tracking and range to hit a bomber orbiting at 20km. As said initially, this bomber setup is mostly to kill battleship, where you can evade their guns tracking.

valadeya


thxs for responding
Since that loss to the tempest, I've managed to get my speed boosted alot with additional skills etc. . . I've tested it out on some corpmates and its been working nicely. But I have one question left. What do you do about mission runners? I see you talk about an alternative ab fit -- is that what you use? Or do you simply avoid going after them.
Thxs in advance
-ARM

Valadeya uthanaras
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.11.02 16:07:00 - [169]
 

When it come to mission/complex runer, it really depend about what kind you are talking about, if its in empire, the unability to use bomb can really cripple the setup, when in 0.0, its really important that you have damage that are still in the resistance hole (a raven doing a sancha mission will have a EM tank, while if doing a guristas one, will not)

So I guess it is possible to hunt them (assuming you have a method for probing them) especially when it come to anomaly runner(will have a similar tank to ratter)

When it come to AB fit, I tried it, had some kill, but the lack of mwd for evasion and range control was really painfull, so i switched to mwd setup, I know a lot of people have sucess with AB setup and that why I also included it as a possible setup.

Valadeya

cpt evy
Posted - 2011.01.20 01:59:00 - [170]
 

Edited by: cpt evy on 20/01/2011 02:00:47
awesome guide!

can we expect a movie any time soon? :D


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