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Serpents smile
Posted - 2009.10.19 11:21:00 - [1]
 


My apologies upfront for asking noobesque questions, but what is the difference between pirates PvP-ing and other players PvP-ing?

In the end it all boils down to 'you got something I want and I'm going to do my best to take it' or 'you are where I don't want you so I try my utmost best to kill you'.

What's the difference? Surprised




Bellum Eternus
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.10.19 11:25:00 - [2]
 

The difference is that Pirates look extremely stylish and attractive while they're destroying your ship. The rest are just rabble. YARRRR!!

Julius Rigel
Sub-warp Racing Venture
Posted - 2009.10.19 11:28:00 - [3]
 

The difference is about one yeaaarrrrr of experience! Arrgh! YARRRR!!

Amanda Brighteyes
Caldari
Rancer Defence League
Posted - 2009.10.19 11:29:00 - [4]
 

Hi there, my name is Amanda and I'm the admin assistant for Rancer Defence League.

While I do not often see 'action' myself, due to having my head in ledgers the whole time, my CEO warned me that pirates do not have souls, and that they are much like schoolyard bullies.

"Regular" pvp is between two honourable opponents, just duking it out. Pirating is for sociopaths who lack souls and/or a conscience. Or so I'm told.


Regards,

Amanda

BlindLemonJeferson
Posted - 2009.10.19 11:36:00 - [5]
 

The real difference is primarily location...

In 0-0 everyone is fair game (subject to alliances / allies etc) whereas in low sec or high sec, shooting people outside of wars is a criminal act in game terms.

Thats about it in many ways.

In practical terms, pirates are generally trying to prey on people going about their business in a non agressive manner.

Tsunami Dream
Caldari
Priory Of The Lemon
Posted - 2009.10.19 11:43:00 - [6]
 

PvPers look for a Fight.
Pirates look for a kill.

that sums it up pritty well tbo

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2009.10.19 11:45:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Serpents smile

My apologies upfront for asking noobesque questions, but what is the difference between pirates PvP-ing and other players PvP-ing?

In the end it all boils down to 'you got something I want and I'm going to do my best to take it' or 'you are where I don't want you so I try my utmost best to kill you'.

What's the difference? Surprised






Its all blowing ships up.

The question is why. For fun? For your allainces benefit? In defence? In war?

The name pirate is used mostly for its romantic accosiation of the dashing swachbuckler form old pirate movies :)

Few pirates in game are actually pirates.

Janie Suspect
Posted - 2009.10.19 12:04:00 - [8]
 

Quote:

......

Few pirates in game are actually pirates.



Most 'pirates' you find are sitting at a gate in a BS with smartbombs. They think that is 'pvp' when actually engaged in a fight they lose.

Tolrok Qorte
Minmatar
The Red Pill Taker Group
Talocan United
Posted - 2009.10.19 12:21:00 - [9]
 

Hey, I've been a solo pirate for a couple years now, and by my terms "pirate" is different by this:

PvPers kill, Pirates ransom

If you're a pirate and you just blow someone up, that's simply pvp, if you ransom their ship/pod, that's piracy. Yes, you can be a pirate and do both. There are many types of pirates that do many things, I personally love frigate fights and often fight outnumbered, makes it more challenging and fun. I hate gatecamping. Some love to camp, some love the big ships, it all depends on the player. But that one rule is what separates the pirates from the pvpers.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.10.19 13:16:00 - [10]
 

Someone is a "pirate" when the loser whines that the fight was "unfair".

Else: a PvPer.

MatrixSkye MkII
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.10.19 13:18:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Tolrok Qorte
Hey, I've been a solo pirate for a couple years now, and by my terms "pirate" is different by this:

PvPers kill, Pirates ransom

If you're a pirate and you just blow someone up, that's simply pvp, if you ransom their ship/pod, that's piracy. Yes, you can be a pirate and do both. There are many types of pirates that do many things, I personally love frigate fights and often fight outnumbered, makes it more challenging and fun. I hate gatecamping. Some love to camp, some love the big ships, it all depends on the player. But that one rule is what separates the pirates from the pvpers.
This man gets it!

/thread


Another Whine
Caldari
Minions of Hasselhoff
Posted - 2009.10.19 13:37:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Another Whine on 19/10/2009 13:37:19
Difference between "PvP" and "piracy", even though both paths ends with pain and bloodshed and are the same, is, self-proclaimed "PvP'ers" or "blobbers" as many call them need 10:1 numbers because .... "think of the horror if they lost a ship"

"Pirates" however likes odds of 1:10 because ..... we really like blowing stuff up and if one of the explosions happen to be ourselfes well thats (eve)life Confused

And Gatecamps in lowsec are myths, the only thing going on in lowsec is chaining ...... if you shoot enough haulers they are bound to spawn a BS fleet

Find the Magic word :
"you only kill unscouted innocent players in low sec" YARRRR!!YARRRR!!

Sorry about the excesive use of qutation marks but im wasted atm and it looks cool

Happy San
The Bastards
Posted - 2009.10.19 14:19:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Happy San on 19/10/2009 14:19:45
Originally by: Tolrok Qorte
Hey, I've been a solo pirate for a couple years now, and by my terms "pirate" is different by this:

PvPers kill, Pirates ransom

If you're a pirate and you just blow someone up, that's simply pvp, if you ransom their ship/pod, that's piracy. Yes, you can be a pirate and do both. There are many types of pirates that do many things, I personally love frigate fights and often fight outnumbered, makes it more challenging and fun. I hate gatecamping. Some love to camp, some love the big ships, it all depends on the player. But that one rule is what separates the pirates from the pvpers.


This. There are far too many pvp corps around who call themselves pirates and are really nothing but low sec pvpers.

We Bastards love ransoms!
The Bastards Ransom Board

Zeromentor
Private Renegade Corporation
Posted - 2009.10.19 15:04:00 - [14]
 

Now to throw my 2 cents into the ring!
Ok, so this is all my opinion and is not backed up by any facts or links.

Pirates: Those people that travel around all secs and look for people to kill or ransom. They tend to want the money and loot more than the kill (not all of us play with a L4 mission runner). Losses are fine, so small gangs or rolling solo is fine. Can flipping (not as much baiting) is seen. Anything that has to do with deception and maybe some amounts of trust gaining conversations. Some people just refer to them as "clever griefers" or "parasites of the game".

PvPers: People that look for kills. And many do so in any way possible, from can flipping and baiting, to camping gates. Some actually try to look for the fun, and are more honorable than others. These people don't ransom too often, and would rather see a shiney new killmail than a shiney new wallet blink. They also have some kind of alt for money making (can't fund PvP without cash).

And last, the PvP Cearbear. Nope, not Carebears that PvP, but supposed PvPer's that REFUSE to lose thier ships. What do I mean? These people refuse to fight even the weakest of ships without a blob backing them up, or a logistics fleet waiting for thier signal. They will jump through any hoop to kill someone without loseing a ship. These are the same kind of people that call for support to kill a rookie ship (IE, they bring in a Curse, a Blackbird and other ships to pound the poor Ibis or 'Velator'.)

What do all of these people have in common? Well, they have the love of killing stuff in thier veins, just some perfer different ways to go about doing it.

Tom Willson
Posted - 2009.10.19 15:18:00 - [15]
 

The term "pirate" is simply just a roleplaying concept. It has no real weight other then that a self-proclaimed pirate corp is most likely interested in playing the game as a possible space pirate would be percieved to act. I.e. camping gates in hope of destroying something and scooping up some valuable cargo, hold someone at ransom, etc.

Then again the above is not exclusive to "pirate" corporations and as such it is much more accurate to assume that it's merely a description of the corporation's mindset.


Neamus
Posted - 2009.10.19 16:16:00 - [16]
 

Pirating is for THE WEAK!

Yeppers, its a pretence centred around the concept of PvP.. But is in reality actually PvC (Prick vs Carebear). Most PvC'ers run from a proper fight.

Svetlana Kouri
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.10.19 17:04:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Svetlana Kouri on 19/10/2009 17:05:26
Eyepatches. It's all about the eyepatch YARRRR!!

Dammit, altpost

Cory Sopapilla
Minmatar
Kiroshi Group
Posted - 2009.10.19 17:19:00 - [18]
 

Pirates are the ones who buy up an entire region worth of goods and resell it, essentially stealing all of your build slots and making a profit at your expense.

PVPers are the ones who undercut your cost by .01 ISK and hope your passive tanked wallet runs dry.

Or was it the eye patches and parrots...I forget.

SomebodyKickedMyDog
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2009.10.19 19:16:00 - [19]
 

pirates are red.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2009.10.19 20:39:00 - [20]
 

Quote:
Pirates" however likes odds of 1:10 because ..... we really like blowing stuff up and if one of the explosions happen to be ourselfes well thats (eve)life

Lol, if you say it often enough you start believing it yourself?

Yerotun
Posted - 2009.10.19 20:45:00 - [21]
 

I just can't figure out the issue with losing, it isn't loseing, loosing, or any of your murderific ways of spelling the poor word.

sigh, that poor word is butchered more then your and you're, and I guess there is yore but still..

whatever.

stupid thread deserves stupid post

Lex Alandar
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.10.19 21:09:00 - [22]
 

I consider myself a pirate ingame, as that is where my roots were. I learned to enjoy the rush of combat early on, and will generally do anything I can to get that rush.

Things that don't give the rush (for me):

-can-flipping miners
-gate-camping losec (until a larger fleet comes to break it up =D)
-blobby ganks (7+ vs. 1 BS, or 2+ vs. anything smaller)

Things that do give me that rush:

-1v1 duels (never know what will happen, will you get ganked? logistic'd'd? will it be a fair fight?)
-Jumping into overwhelming odds
-Running a blockade runner through bubble camps (not exactly piracy lol but still a rush)
-Hunting in unknown (to me) space
-Moving anything valuable without a scout

Now, I don't usually engage in 'piracy' as such anymore, since that definition usually tends to imply the less fun things such as blobbing, gate camping, etc.

Despite not being blinky red any more, I will always consider myself a pirate in terms of eve. I really wish there was a purpose for piracy in this game, since any traditional definition of the term implies fights that are less than fun.

Whenever I think of "Pirate" I will always remember Dark Twilight Solutions. Those two ****ers gave me my EVEducation in their nano-vagas, and despite the bitter losses (my first 3 BS, and many BCs) I thank them, as without such a harsh lesson I would have surely ended up a carebear.

Able to fly a retriever since 2007 and not a SP in industrial since then, I am Lex, the pirate...YARRRR.

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
Posted - 2009.10.19 21:15:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: SomebodyKickedMyDog
pirates are red.



rells is blue

Pharago
Gallente
Nughat Corp
Posted - 2009.10.20 10:23:00 - [24]
 

the difference looks pretty obvious to me, and it is money and motivation. we do it for fun and thrill, we do it because we can, because we know how (we like to think so), and because it gives us a profit.

we always honor ramson agreements, some of you already know that, a 'pure pvper' whatever that may be, would not ask for a ramson, as his motivation is supossed to be to just kill players and not precisely to make a living out of them, as every pirate with a few sober neurons will try to do.

you have to understand that our bussiness is 'you', your belongings to be precise. or might i say... 'our stuff'

Arvald
Caldari
Drunken Space Irish
Posted - 2009.10.20 10:27:00 - [25]
 

pirates yell YAAAAAAR and wear awesome hats

King Rothgar
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2009.10.20 11:54:00 - [26]
 

Main difference is pirates pvp for profit while non-pirates do it as a side activity. Ultimately this leads to pirates going for ransoms and ship ejections rather than actual kills. To a true pirate in this game, a kill is a failed negotiation. I exclude t1 frigates and cruisers from that, those make pretty explosions that are worth more than any ransom you could hope to secure from their release. Of course, new pirates flying smaller ships will see it differently.

Gate camping in a smartbombing BS is piracy but it looks pretty boring imho. I've never done it but I know some who do and it does appear to be cost effective.

Tha'rin
Posted - 2009.10.20 12:21:00 - [27]
 

Pirates are 12 to 30 year old kids, without any social life and the mental capacity of a ******, and getting a boner from destroying other peoples games.

PvPers are people who have a social life and looking for a fight with some regards to other players.

/end rand

ps: Felt good to to lower myself to they're level.

Lars Lodar
The Python Cartel.
The Jerk Cartel
Posted - 2009.10.20 12:22:00 - [28]
 

MOTIVATION

Piracy is pvp for profit.

Unlike the majority of high sec mercs or 0.0 pvpers, most pirates kill to make a living and survive in the most restrictive and dangerous lifestyle in EVE (while being extremely sexy of course).

It's a lifestyle for people who hate the politics and blobs of 0.0 and the safety and boredom of high sec. For those who like to live in constant danger and make things explode. It's a lifestyle of glamor, forged by the blood and tears of hundreds if not thousands of players. It's about notoriety, respect, and reputation. It's about making a living in unconventional ways whether it be ransoming, extortion, blackmail, or scamming. It's about creating senseless destruction on those not expecting it.

It's about having FUN and being a maverick in a universe of faceless cogs, grinding towards the accumulation of wealth with no meaningful purpose.

Where else can you construct a giant dong in front of your home station, or make a terrified french man sing you a Christmas song on vent to save his pod, or completely bluffing some carebear out of countless hours of work with only the power of conversation and the force of personality. Hulkageddon billions worth of miners for the glory of Allah. Or receive hate mail knowing that the person you killed and forgot about will forever curse your name.

I've pretty much done it all and there is nothing better than being a pirate. YARRRR!!

Tengao Udehzar
TwentyThreeSeven
Posted - 2009.10.20 12:27:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Lars Lodar
MOTIVATION

Piracy is pvp for profit.

Unlike the majority of high sec mercs or 0.0 pvpers, most pirates kill to make a living and survive in the most restrictive and dangerous lifestyle in EVE (while being extremely sexy of course).

It's a lifestyle for people who hate the politics and blobs of 0.0 and the safety and boredom of high sec. For those who like to live in constant danger and make things explode. It's a lifestyle of glamor, forged by the blood and tears of hundreds if not thousands of players. It's about notoriety, respect, and reputation. It's about making a living in unconventional ways whether it be ransoming, extortion, blackmail, or scamming. It's about creating senseless destruction on those not expecting it.

It's about having FUN and being a maverick in a universe of faceless cogs, grinding towards the accumulation of wealth with no meaningful purpose.

Where else can you construct a giant dong in front of your home station, or make a terrified french man sing you a Christmas song on vent to save his pod, or completely bluffing some carebear out of countless hours of work with only the power of conversation and the force of personality. Hulkageddon billions worth of miners for the glory of Allah. Or receive hate mail knowing that the person you killed and forgot about will forever curse your name.

I've pretty much done it all and there is nothing better than being a pirate. YARRRR!!


Completely agree on this. YARRRR!!

Especially the hate mails and getting chased by 20 people after popping/ransoming some of their friends gives me a warm fuzzy feeling

Persephone Asphodel
Posted - 2009.10.20 12:38:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: King Rothgar
Gate camping in a smartbombing BS is piracy but it looks pretty boring imho. I've never done it but I know some who do and it does appear to be cost effective.


Being torn apart by smartbombs upon leaving warp has to be one of the most violent ways to end up shipless and back in station. Theres not much that gives me PVP shakes nowadays but this situation can do it if im not prepared.

By rights these should be easily avoided but people don’t always play so cautiously in low sec leading undoubtedly to plenty of classic OHSHII~~~~ moments.

In all honesty its amusing when it last caught me. I was blitzing through low sec in an Incursus, thinking only of the upcoming null sec access point and determining if it’s bubbled or not… then I got a funny feeling just as I entered warp with only one other pilot in local. Might as well run a check, -10 eh? Better scan and brace for… yup, lol there’s my exit gate and a Megathron. Patheticly hopufull activation of my DC and seconds later lag, flash, asplode! Naughty -10 disco’d got my ship but not my pod, harr. 28 jumps later and a refit I was back on my way to get blobbed by Sylph Alliance. Embarassed


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