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Zartanic
Posted - 2009.10.17 19:30:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Zartanic on 17/10/2009 19:35:45



There are certain posts that I tend to jump on, especially in the new player forums, as I think they contribute a lot to either stopping player's enjoying the game or put them off starting.

I think all the following are either wrong or extremely simplistic, so they may as well be wrong:




1. You cannot do anything worthwhile in this game without several weeks or even months training.

2. A character with high SP will always beat a character with low SP

3. You need a lot of ISK to even get started.

4. PVP is hard to get into and extremely expensive. You can't PVP in a cheap ship.

5. Low and nul sec is boring and pointless (I say that myself sometimes, I must stop doing that)

6. You spend all your time travelling between systems and nothing else

7. Mining is the only way to earn ISK for noobs (some EVE reviews say this but they are several years out of date)

8. The game is taken over by Griefers

9 The game is taken over by Carebears

10 You need a maths degree to do anything like research, trading or manufacturing.

11. You cannot enjoy the game playing solo.

12. You cannot have fun in PVP in a cheap Frigate

13. The game has a very steep learning curve which is a major barrier to even starting

14. PVP and PVE takes no skill, it's just point and click.

15. You must train your learning skills as soon as possible.


Does anyone think some of the above is correct or even a desirable feature? Should CCP do more to try and stop these fallacies and how could they do that?




Fulbert
Gallente
Posted - 2009.10.17 19:49:00 - [2]
 

1. False, even a 3 weeks old character can tackle or paint a target
7. Mining isn't a good way to make money, with a single account you'll make something like 8mil per hour with a full-cargoexpander Hulk.
10. that's because the game is realistic..
11. Why the hell on earth should we enjoy playing solo in MMORPG?
12. A T1 frigate is almost a free ship you can sacrifice in PVP with no regret...
13. The learning curve is perhaps the ultimate device that prevents immature morons from other MMOGs from invading EVE...
15. Yeah, because all EVE skill system is about long-terme character management, and not grinding nor powerleveling

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2009.10.17 19:55:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Fulbert
1. False, even a 3 weeks old character can tackle or paint a target
7. Mining isn't a good way to make money, with a single account you'll make something like 8mil per hour with a full-cargoexpander Hulk.
10. that's because the game is realistic..
11. Why the hell on earth should we enjoy playing solo in MMORPG?
12. A T1 frigate is almost a free ship you can sacrifice in PVP with no regret...
13. The learning curve is perhaps the ultimate device that prevents immature morons from other MMOGs from invading EVE...
15. Yeah, because all EVE skill system is about long-terme character management, and not grinding nor powerleveling


you are basically saying the op is right.

as for the learning curve, it really isn't that steep. the learning cliff pic was funny the first time, after that, someone seemed to have taken it seriously, with a likely mindset of "like zomg I play eve "eve is hard" therefore I'm a smart/good person zomg lol wow!!!!!"

Burukt Vri'ra
Locus Industries
Posted - 2009.10.17 20:13:00 - [4]
 

Pretty much looks right to me. Back in the day of 5000 SP starting characters I'd say point 15 is debatable. Now? Yeah, long term.

Asillia
Posted - 2009.10.17 20:35:00 - [5]
 

As a relatively new player I figured I'd throw my .02 isk in. ^_^

1. One week of training is all it takes at most to start getting into something worthwhile, that is if a space MMO is something you consider worthwhile of course

2. I think it's been said enough, player skill > SP, and besides which it's an MMO, not "space duelz online" so even if this was true it would be irrelevant, your pvp worth in a group is again mostly player skill dependant aswell.

3. ISK is easy to make anyway, and you don't need a great deal of it to get the ball rolling.

4. I've yet to dabble yet, but I have currently (through solely mission loot, mission loot reprocessing [only items under 200~k in value] and some lowball buy orders in level 3/4 mission hubs) 125 rifters with full meta 3+ fittings ready for my throwaway pvp spree, they are cheap and by all means quite effective I've heard, even if I were buying them outright they would still be cheap enough to keep me throwing myself into the fray for months to come with no noticable financial hardship.

5. Only been there once, it was far from boring, and I suspect as I get into PvP it's going to be all good, although it could do with some tweaking to lure the "carebears" in and make the risk/reward worthwhile for them and the pirates etc.

6. Barely, although some "shortcuts" would be nice the travel isn't that bad and not something I consider a priority to look into.

7. Never mined once since starting and have always been able to afford ships and fittings way before I could concievable have the skill to use them

8. The game is populated by people that make it fun, as an oldschool UO player the freedom is refreshing, and the griefing/scamming makes me feel all gooey inside.

9 Carebears need looking at imo, like I said above, more things in place to coax them out of safety, motivation and ample risk/reward would really make EvE great, that was one thing about pre-tram UO that I loved, you wanted to "farm" you did it in the same free for all setting as everyone else, and the best spots usually carried the most risk, PvE/PvP hotspots where one and the same 85% of the time and the cluster****s it created were some of the best fights I ever had in MMOs

10 You need patience not a maths degree, there are plenty of programs that do the complex calculations for you if needs be, if you can't stomach it then it isn't for you, that's how it should be, not a case of "buy X, jump 6 systems, sell X" rinse repeat: RICHES!! but more a cut throat game of poker esque bluffing and well thought out market manipulation and the like. The devious and smart should prosper in this arena that is how it should be, there are still oppurtunities for the less attentive trader but if you want to make big figures you should have the attention span and head for it.

11. Wrong, but it's an MMO, it's much better with friends

12. As above, wrong.

13. Learning curve kind of sucks, but it's getting better.

14. Just wrong, not worth explaining but it really is more than point and click, unless you like losing ships.

15. I dislike learning skills but they are far from essential, and with EvEmon you can work them into plans that allow you to still play as you work through them and work towards certain goals, they need looking at imo but they aren't the end of the world.

Eli Porter
Posted - 2009.10.17 20:59:00 - [6]
 

The main issues in the OP are a result of the lack of new player guidance. A new player may not be aware of all the stuff he can do, what he's doing wrong, etc. And then complain about it by spouting nonsense on some kind of gaming forum, which is bad for EVE of course.

The new player experience is being worked on and some of it should be fixed come Dominion.

D3F4ULT
Gallente
Pegasus Mining Korp
Posted - 2009.10.17 21:08:00 - [7]
 

I love how people believe this should be a jump into game and all of a sudden the servers fall to their knees.

Long term game is long term. There's a reason why it takes so long to do things, to keep you playing. But this should not be a factor of dismissing fun. I personally fitted a Vexor *after training for 1 month*, and took down a Catalyst that was jet can mining, and then a 4 year old player thought he could take me down right there so he stole from the can too, and I was able to fight him.

I got a double kill off a new character and a 4 year old at the same time with a 1 month account. It was the biggest rush I've ever had in a game. Eventually the 4 year old fitted a new ship and took me down, but it didn't matter to me after what I personally accomplished on my own for my first 2 kills ever. This game is not a "set" game, you have to determine what YOU want to do. That's why it's a sandbox game. Find a corp that's active and all ways doing new things, talk to people in local or private chat. Get to know people, it's all apart of the game. the "MM" in MMO is "Massive Multiplayer" not, "MSC" Massive singleplayer campaign.

Welcome to EVE.

Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Spikes Chop Shop
Posted - 2009.10.17 21:14:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Jagga Spikes on 17/10/2009 21:14:31
1. You cannot do anything worthwhile in this game without several weeks or even months training.
- false. you can be useful from second 1. you may not like it, but you can be useful.

2. A character with high SP will always beat a character with low SP
- false. don't look for a fair fight. bring friends. lots. and if you can't beat them, join them. you can always backstab later. and it's legal, too!

3. You need a lot of ISK to even get started.
- false. while ISK help, you don't really need a lot to start. and there is literally TONS of ISK around, waiting to be used. MMO. make friends.

4. PVP is hard to get into and extremely expensive. You can't PVP in a cheap ship.
- false. it's easy and cheap to get into PVP. it's hard and expensive to come on top.

5. Low and nul sec is boring and pointless (I say that myself sometimes, I must stop doing that)
- matter of taste. tho, staring at blank wall is boring, as well. do something about it. like, paint a picture. go ahead. anything you like.

6. You spend all your time travelling between systems and nothing else
- false. traveling is a mean to an end. and also a way to spread out traffic. you don't want every single one in your own backyard.

7. Mining is the only way to earn ISK for noobs (some EVE reviews say this but they are several years out of date)
- false. there is plenty of different ways to earn ISK as rookie. noobs, on the other hand, only lose money, whatever they do.

8. The game is taken over by Griefers
- false. griefers are too busy... griefing. doh.

9 The game is taken over by Carebears
- false. carebears are too busy making ISK.

10 You need a maths degree to do anything like research, trading or manufacturing.
- false. everything has been figured out, courtesy of smart and helpful people. plug in, push button, print ISK. basic math is needed.

11. You cannot enjoy the game playing solo.
- matter of taste. tho, it's MMO game, interaction is recommended.

12. You cannot have fun in PVP in a cheap Frigate
- matter of taste. besides, you don't have to PVP in a *cheap* frigate. get an expensive one.

13. The game has a very steep learning curve which is a major barrier to even starting
- true. game is wide and deep, and skill system prevents early entry into certain activities. it's a slow game.

14. PVP and PVE takes no skill, it's just point and click.
- false. as in, chess takes no skill, it's just moving pieces across board.

15. You must train your learning skills as soon as possible.
- matter of taste. recommended if playing for a long time.

it's a game. you like it, you play. you don't like, don't play. it isn't for everyone, and neither it intends to be.

Linda Lipsynch
Posted - 2009.10.17 21:26:00 - [9]
 

And misinformation helps those that rely on it.

Rellik B00n
Posted - 2009.10.17 22:04:00 - [10]
 

They come up like tooltips everytime a player logs in, like they do with them "this advert will only appear once" things on the splash.

so you just have this constantly revolving "dont undock in anything you cant afford to lose" and etc and etc and so on w/e you log in.

I would like a 1% cut of CCP for this idea and i think i deserve it.

AdmiralJohn
Gallente
Origin of Sanshaa
Posted - 2009.10.17 22:24:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Zartanic
12. You cannot have fun in PVP in a cheap Frigate


This is completely wrong, and it's sad that some people believe it. Just yesterday I was flying around lowsec in an Incursus. In less than ten minutes I was pew-pewing with another Incursus. It was close and a ton of fun, and both of us risked less than two million ISK combined. T1 frigate PvP best PvP.

Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
Posted - 2009.10.17 22:26:00 - [12]
 


No, CCP should not do anything about it. Its the players privilegie to have their opinion. But CCP should NOT give in, and insead tell those players that what they advocate for is not what EVE online where meant to be!

And ofcource, I keep my rights to disagree with those who complains about EVE! That is my privilegie.




CommmanderInChief
Posted - 2009.10.17 22:51:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: CommmanderInChief on 17/10/2009 22:55:36
Well the above is because eve is very niche game, and yes thats why eve hasnt and i dont think will become mainstream, and thats why its stayed steady for quite some time in the amount of players despite all the advertising. Strange as CCP want more people yet make it ultra difficult for new players. To be honest you either love it or hate it.

But as ive played this game for quite a while im going to answer your questions honestly, and not from a typical i love eve, you cant say anything about eve player..Very Happy



1. You cannot do anything worthwhile in this game without several weeks or even months training.

True it does take time to learn the skills, i would say easily 2 years before you really become competent and have those skills needed.
However you can earm isk from missions, I know its not exciting but you can. Also try joining a corp, they usually help with stuff. Eve University, a new one EVEFleet Academy all help and guide new players.

2. A character with high SP will always beat a character with low SP
Well not always true, i do think there is that imbalance in the game however, its all about the ships and tactics to be honest. If i flew a battleship, and you came along in your tackling, neut ship then theres a possiblity you could win. I do have an issue with everything on your ship totally reliant on cap..but anyway.

3. You need a lot of ISK to even get started.
not true, not to get started, no ..again join a corp..

4. PVP is hard to get into and extremely expensive. You can't PVP in a cheap ship.
I often flew around in a rifter!! its fun and cheap and its a pretty decent pvp ship :)

5. Low and nul sec is boring and pointless (I say that myself sometimes, I must stop doing that)

Low sec is not what it used to be, however the introduction of faction warfare was supposed to help that..it kind does..0.0 well depends what your doing.
Lots of pvp in 0.0 NPC regions. Normal 0.0 ueah kinda quiet except for hubs. But also its where the big battles happen that you dont see!!..

6. You spend all your time travelling between systems and nothing else
To be honest yeah i hate this, can take ages! but its a MMO they want you yo play it for as long as they possibly can!

7. Mining is the only way to earn ISK for noobs (some EVE reviews say this but they are several years out of date)

nope missioning and ratting

8. The game is taken over by Griefers
Well not really just got to know how to avoid them..its a sandbox people can be whatever they want to be. But i do think that 1.0 should be totally safe.

9 The game is taken over by Carebears

so what? and how does this affect you?

10 You need a maths degree to do anything like research, trading or manufacturing.
You cant expect to learn all the complication stuff in like a day..spend time doing it and it becomes second nature.

11. You cannot enjoy the game playing solo.
I like to solo, but i do think solo pvp is dead, but you can do other stuff, trading, missions, production etc on your own..but again its an online game not supposed to be really solo..

12. You cannot have fun in PVP in a cheap Frigate
Yes you can see my point above

13. The game has a very steep learning curve which is a major barrier to even starting

Yes it has, find a goal and a career path and learn that..again its a niche game.

14. PVP and PVE takes no skill, it's just point and click.
Well yes and no, i do think pvp is abit boring, target fire..but there are tactics involved.

15. You must train your learning skills as soon as possible.

of course then you can train the others quicker duh!

What you need to do is get yourself into a corp, a decent corp, Eve Uni has a lot of players, Evefleet Academy has just opened and is an alternative, but ran by experienced guys.

Hope this helps...

Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.10.17 23:07:00 - [14]
 

I started out with nothing. Now I have a titan, a ms and billions in assets - it's not THAT difficult if even *I* can manage and it only cost me some free time, my first born, and a few bucks a month ;)

XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
Posted - 2009.10.17 23:13:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Sokratesz
my first born


sacrifice to the eve gods?Shocked

Dagsalt
Posted - 2009.10.17 23:14:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Zartanic
Edited by: Zartanic on 17/10/2009 19:35:45



There are certain posts that I tend to jump on, especially in the new player forums, as I think they contribute a lot to either stopping player's enjoying the game or put them off starting.

I think all the following are either wrong or extremely simplistic, so they may as well be wrong:


*15 points*




Is it wrong for me to laugh at the people who are arguing with the OP saying that his points are wrong, when the whole reason behind his post is that the points he lists are wrong?

If you read the *whole post* before commenting, it makes you seem smarter too..

(Sorry, I'm just easy amused today)

MaxxOmega
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2009.10.17 23:27:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: MaxxOmega on 17/10/2009 23:28:10
Originally by: Zartanic

11. You cannot enjoy the game playing solo.


While in a Corp for now, I mostly play solo. I have read in the forums and told by my RL friend that plays EVE, that you can never really trust anyone in the game. You never really have any friends in EVE just people who want to rob/grief/gank/backstab you at their first opportunity. All justified by statements like "This is EVE, if you don't like it go back to WOW". So when I can, solo it is...

Zartanic
Posted - 2009.10.17 23:31:00 - [18]
 

Thanks for all the relies so far even the few that thought I was stating the points as my own belief when I clearly stated the opposite, I do love forumsVery Happy

My point is that there is a substantial amount of players who wont even trial EVE due to the beliefs I stated being so endemic despite being complete rubbish or highly simplistic. Look at MMORPG.com for instance and see the same old spouted there, bravely refuted by a few posters.

CCP spends a lot in advertising and possibly has the best new player tutorials, a very helpful player base, excellent guides and corps who are highly active in assisting new players yet this crap keeps being spouted. Some reasons for this I think is:

1. It can take a lot of time to 'get' EVE and some never do. This is because its so different from other games.

2. Players have expectations from other games and assume the same mechanics are in place (such as skills = player level which is a very common error)

3. All other games corral players into a small, well defined experience which all players share. EVE does not so if a player thinks it is boring they assume everyone else has the same experience as them. The sandbox concept is totally alien to them.

4. EVE is seen as hardcore yet really it is not.

5. Players are used to content being thrown at them.

6. Many MMORPG players, in my opinion, are lazy and do not consider the learning experience part of the fun.

7. Players are used to the game correcting or stopping their mistakes. So only those that learn from them do well, the rest fail.

8. Players copy and believe what others have said with no evidence.

9 Gratification in EVE is more subtle than achieving easy objectives clearly signposted (such as levelling up, a new title, another mount or new gear to wear) Players need to find their own goals to achieve in EVE, not easy for a new player although some do it naturally, some simply can't.

10. The main demographic for online games is children and teens who tend towards wanting instant gratification and the game itself patting them on the back. However some adults fall into this category too and some younger players don't.

11. Many assume if a game is not for them then it can't be good for anyone else. They do not grasp we all enjoy different things in life.

12. The EVE UI is archaic and puts of players expecting a more polished or versatile interface.



Arch Law
State War Academy
Posted - 2009.10.17 23:57:00 - [19]
 

OP says: I think the following points are wrong.

Other ppl say: Dude, your points are wrong.

...


JohnMonty
Gallente
Northstar Cabal
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2009.10.18 00:13:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Asillia

6. Barely, although some "shortcuts" would be nice the travel isn't that bad and not something I consider a priority to look into.


Jump Clones

Cors
It's A Trap
It's A Trap Alliance
Posted - 2009.10.18 00:31:00 - [21]
 

All of the listed "myths" are true and false in some respect.

Most of pvp is about suprise, not about superior weapons. So even a noob can surprise a vet and kill them.

When it comes to production/invention/whatever, it's about getting enough skills to do the basics, and running with it.

Everything else is just a degree's thing. You CAN do most things in game with a new char, but only in a limited fashion. In almost all cases it's easier/faster with more skills/isk.

Vets just have more variety.

Julius Rigel
Sub-warp Racing Venture
Posted - 2009.10.18 00:35:00 - [22]
 

OP, where did the dots after 9 and 10 go? Are they on vacation?

Chaos Hellbreth
Caldari
Drusus Mercenaries
Sylph Alliance
Posted - 2009.10.18 00:42:00 - [23]
 

I'd say most of those eve 'myths' are false. Most of them sound like something a nub or a WoW fanboi would say.

TractionControl
Bad Company DBD
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2009.10.18 01:38:00 - [24]
 

Quote:
10 You need a maths degree to do anything like research, trading or manufacturing.


you say this, but i have a maths degree and i still dont know where even to start with research, trading and manufacturing. this point is more to do with motivation imo.. and i, sir, definately do not have the time nor the bother to do this.

MaxxOmega
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2009.10.18 02:17:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: TractionControl
Quote:
10 You need a maths degree to do anything like research, trading or manufacturing.


you say this, but i have a maths degree and i still dont know where even to start with research, trading and manufacturing. this point is more to do with motivation imo.. and i, sir, definately do not have the time nor the bother to do this.

But is it the new math or the old math?

Old math = 1+1=2, 2+2=4, 3+3=6, Passed.
New math = Who cares, we have an affirmative action quota to meet this week, Passed.

Ladani
Posted - 2009.10.18 02:36:00 - [26]
 

1. You cannot do anything worthwhile in this game without several weeks or even months training.
Wrong. You can do a lot of thins EVE has to offer your first months in game. Mining, mission running, trading, exploration, got anywhere lowsec and 0.0, you can even pvp.

2. A character with high SP will always beat a character with low SP
Wrong. There are other things like player's knowledge of game mechanics as well as ship/setup that determine who is going to win in a fight. Also players with high sp simply have more options in what they can fly/use. When I am flying my Rifter on a 50+ mil sp character I am really utilizing only 3 million skill points. The other 47 million of them don't apply to the ship and don't benefit me in the fight in any way.

3. You need a lot of ISK to even get started.
No, I started this game from scratch and within 7 months I made my first billion. You simply need to have some common sense while managing your finances. Don't fly what you cannot afford to replace at least 5x over. I typically don't fly anything I can't replace a few dozen times over. This means that if I have 500 mil ISK in wallet I am not going to spend 200 of those on purchasing a shiny new HAC for pvp. I will spend 200 mil to purchase a ton of cruisers and frigates for pvp, and invest 300 mil in various enterprises to make me more ISK.

4. PVP is hard to get into and extremely expensive. You can't PVP in a cheap ship.
No, I started pvping week 3 in game in a destroyer by flying in gangs with older players at first. There are options like RVB for cheap frig pvp as well.

5. Low and nul sec is boring and pointless (I say that myself sometimes, I must stop doing that)
Null sec is very fun, a place where you get to experience all of game mechanics. It is fun UNLESS you belong to some ****ty pet (renter) space-holding alliance that is ruled over by ego-centric morons. Don't join those alliances and your 0.0 experience will be much better. You can make a ton of ISK there on exploration, single drop can be worth from a few hundred mil to 2 bil ISK, much better than mission grinding in empire.

6. You spend all your time travelling between systems and nothing else
Many new players don't understand what opportunity cost is. They will go 10 jumps to purchase a frigate that is 10,000 ISK cheaper than one selling in system. Meanwhile they don't realize that in the 20 minutes it will take them to autopilot there they could have bought their ship on spot and done a single level 1 mission that would have made them 5x the ISK in this same 20 minutes.

7. Mining is the only way to earn ISK for noobs (some EVE reviews say this but they are several years out of date)
Written by people who got owned in their 1st mission and decided all missions are like that I guess and who never bothered giving the market window a closer look.

8. The game is taken over by Griefers
Can't provide an un-biased opinion since I am one of them. Twisted Evil

9 The game is taken over by Carebears
The game has been drifting towards carebearism in the past 2-3 years (alliance P nerf, highsec suicide ganking nerf, can flipping nerf by orcas, 0.0 jump bridges so that you don't have to travel through gates, 90% of scams have been removed from the game as well)

10 You need a maths degree to do anything like research, trading or manufacturing.
No, I've done a lot of this stuff and don't even have a single spreadsheet running.

11. You cannot enjoy the game playing solo.
Played half my time in EVE solo. Not as fun, true, but I don't always have time to engage in group play.

12. You cannot have fun in PVP in a cheap Frigate
Depends. If you don't like small ships you probably aren't going to have fun in them.

13. The game has a very steep learning curve which is a major barrier to even starting
True.

14. PVP and PVE takes no skill, it's just point and click.
Wrong. A lot of PVP happens before you even engage anyone.


Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2009.10.18 02:43:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Arch Law
OP says: I think the following points are wrong.

Other ppl say: Dude, your points are wrong.

...




I thought it was too cute to tell them, aww look at the little forum nublets who cant read good and poast good too Embarassed

Zartanic
Posted - 2009.10.18 03:03:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Julius Rigel
OP, where did the dots after 9 and 10 go? Are they on vacation?


I could say I left them out to test observation but then I would be lying. The fact is they eloped and I've not seen them for weeks.

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2009.10.18 03:15:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Zartanic
Originally by: Julius Rigel
OP, where did the dots after 9 and 10 go? Are they on vacation?


I could say I left them out to test observation but then I would be lying. The fact is they eloped and I've not seen them for weeks.


10/10 best post I have seen in weeks on the forums.

xOm3gAx
Caldari
Stain of Mind
Posted - 2009.10.18 03:35:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Zartanic
Edited by: Zartanic on 17/10/2009 19:35:45



There are certain posts that I tend to jump on, especially in the new player forums, as I think they contribute a lot to either stopping player's enjoying the game or put them off starting.

I think all the following are either wrong or extremely simplistic, so they may as well be wrong:





1. You cannot do anything worthwhile in this game without several weeks or even months training.
False - Condor + target painter - very useful
2. A character with high SP will always beat a character with low SP
False - I have killed higher sp players dozens of times and i've lost to lower sp players - yes it was solo
3. You need a lot of ISK to even get started.
False - frigs are cheap high end is maybe 400k and very effective at mining / ratting for the cost / risk ratio with low skills.
4. PVP is hard to get into and extremely expensive. You can't PVP in a cheap ship.
False - I pvp and win in t1 fitted frigs and cruisers, yes i prefer bc and bs however frigs and cruisers are often underestimated or used wrong.
5. Low and nul sec is boring and pointless (I say that myself sometimes, I must stop doing that)
This is only occasionally true - they both need variety and something done to increase conflict and player count.
6. You spend all your time travelling between systems and nothing else
with worm holes yes, with normal travel no not unless im going 25+ jumps cus then even with WTZ it sucks
7. Mining is the only way to earn ISK for noobs (some EVE reviews say this but they are several years out of date)
False, missions are also good income so are belt rats. Mining is just the most efficient until you can use lvl 3 missions which takes about 1 week at 2 hours a day 3 - 5 missions per day.
8. The game is taken over by Griefers
False - This only exists if someone is constantly bothered in a noob system. Stay in a noob system until you learn the ropes. Also, its not hard to fight back.
9 The game is taken over by Carebears
False - care bears only exist in high sec mostly.
10 You need a maths degree to do anything like research, trading or manufacturing.
False -you just need basic understanding of the mechanics. Attainable through trial and error. Manufacturing is easy. Just add up the cost of mins have enought o build something and tack on a ton of profit.
11. You cannot enjoy the game playing solo.
True - BUT Its an mmo not a solo game. Possible but not fun. This is true.
12. You cannot have fun in PVP in a cheap Frigate
False - this is fun and cheap. Yes you may lose alot but its still fun. OFC if u use the right frig you get some kills, also if you make them opportune.
13. The game has a very steep learning curve which is a major barrier to even starting
T/F - Not compared to when i started, however some players will always have problems.
14. PVP and PVE takes no skill, it's just point and click.
False - it does take skill to use transversal to your advantage and properly fit a ship. But it doesnt take much skill no.
15. You must train your learning skills as soon as possible.
False - You must only do this is you want to have the best SP/time ratio possible in the shortest time possible.







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