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Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Global Economy Experts
Posted - 2009.10.13 19:18:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Cista2
Edited by: Cista2 on 13/10/2009 18:50:45
Originally by: Roguehalo
If I heard this in an ipo I was considering investing in I'd run a mile

Sigh.
1) You cannot consider this bond because it is not open
2) It was open for new investors yesterday from 10:12:00 to 10:25:00. In that space of time the header was "JIDSALE - 3rd bond - open".
After 10:25:00 it was closed for reservations and the header became "open for A-list investors only".

See - there's an explanation for everything :)


Meesa thinks he must feel threatened, as he seems to be trying quite hard to derail potential investors from investing in you. There's already been enough of a warning in this thread.

Case in point: Not until we shot down his other "problems" he found with you (while at the same time acknowledging the risk all investors in you would take) did he come up with trying to pick on the name of your thread.

Though maybe that was just, as you said, because the name was originally different.

ginlaan
Posted - 2009.10.13 20:18:00 - [32]
 

Isk will be sent tonight reserve ginlaan for 200million isk as a a-list investor

ginlaan
Posted - 2009.10.13 22:58:00 - [33]
 

Isk sent to cista2 on the 13th of oct at 6:58pm est

Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools
Posted - 2009.10.13 23:56:00 - [34]
 

You know how you can sometimes make ISK by sending one of those "10x your ISK back" guys a million, because he wants you as a reference so someone will send him 100 million?

This is what this is. I don't think he'll scam for 3b, but eventually... he will. Enjoy the ride while it lasts!

MP

P.S. *hurflesnurf* "A-list"

Nemex
Legion of Tovil-Toba
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2009.10.14 01:01:00 - [35]
 

200M isk sent for 2 bonds.

Thanks.

flakeys
The Great cornholio's
Paper Tiger Coalition
Posted - 2009.10.14 06:33:00 - [36]
 

I will have to retract my reservation.It is known that i only do X amount of risky investments and unfortunatly i feel i can not pass out on the goonbond.

I apologise for this cista.


Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
Posted - 2009.10.14 07:51:00 - [37]
 

Bond re-opened.

Quaz0r
Posted - 2009.10.14 10:30:00 - [38]
 

want to reserve 5 bonds, sending isk asap

Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Posted - 2009.10.14 10:34:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Motivated Prophet
You know how you can sometimes make ISK by sending one of those "10x your ISK back" guys a million, because he wants you as a reference so someone will send him 100 million?

This is what this is. I don't think he'll scam for 3b, but eventually... he will. Enjoy the ride while it lasts!

MP

P.S. *hurflesnurf* "A-list"


This!

Quaz0r
Posted - 2009.10.14 10:36:00 - [40]
 

isk send

Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
Posted - 2009.10.14 11:43:00 - [41]
 

Since 48 hours have passed, the remaining A-list investors have defaulted their priviliges.

Last 8 bonds (12 %) are now open for direct purchase from any investor.
Posting here to reserve does NOT guarantee you the bonds.


Oltham
Posted - 2009.10.14 13:25:00 - [42]
 

I am interested in investing for 5 bonds.

Coleostro
Posted - 2009.10.14 15:38:00 - [43]
 

I will take the last 3 bonds if they are available.

Thanks,

Coleostro
Posted - 2009.10.14 15:44:00 - [44]
 

Isk for 3 bonds sent: 300m

Thank you!

Oltham
Posted - 2009.10.14 17:17:00 - [45]
 

Iskies for my 5 bonds will be sent this evening approx 9pm eve time

Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
Posted - 2009.10.14 17:24:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Oltham
Iskies for my 5 bonds will be sent this evening approx 9pm eve time
I am sorry but the bond was already filled - as I said reserving was not a guarantee at this point.

Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
Posted - 2009.10.27 13:05:00 - [47]
 

I have paid out the interest on 3rd bond today.

Jidsale is going well, we have staff in all the major hubs now. Personally I am looking to further enlarge my trade activities, so a 4th bond or an auction of shares is coming up.

Tommy Tucker
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.10.27 13:49:00 - [48]
 

I would like to be in on that, so hard to find a reputable investment in todays MD.

/Tommy

Einear Lightfingers
Posted - 2009.10.27 19:00:00 - [49]
 

Got my interest and I think it was ahead of schedule by a couple of days, but better early than late. I'd be interested in the 4th bond or shares which ever you decide to take this.

Coleostro
Posted - 2009.10.27 20:43:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Cista2
I have paid out the interest on 3rd bond today.

Jidsale is going well, we have staff in all the major hubs now. Personally I am looking to further enlarge my trade activities, so a 4th bond or an auction of shares is coming up.



Payment received!

...and would be interested in 4th bond or perhaps bidding on shares.

Thank you,

Quaz0r
Posted - 2009.10.29 09:20:00 - [51]
 

* Interest received, thanks
* Keep me in the loop for upcoming ventures
reg.Q

Babyface Thirteen
Posted - 2009.10.29 13:17:00 - [52]
 

Exactly how do you come in contact with manufacturers and "traders" who will sell stuff for prices "inbetween" sell and buy orders?

I dont get it. If you are a manufacturer with your brains in the correct place you will sell for max profitt. And if you label yourself as a trader you will obviously not sell to you unless the trader is sitting on huge quantites and the going volume is low. If the latter is the case dont see any reason to buy from this trader.

Also, I assume more and more of theese manufactorers and traders want to sell their stuff to this scam operation since it seem to be a requirement for more isk.

Lol at the investors.

Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
Posted - 2009.10.29 13:43:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Babyface Thirteen
Exactly how do you come in contact with manufacturers and "traders" who will sell stuff for prices "inbetween" sell and buy orders?
I dont get it. If you are a manufacturer with your brains in the correct place you will sell for max profitt. Lol at the investors.
1) We advertise
2) Not everyone enjoys babysitting sell orders in Jita and elsewhere. We do it for them.

Babyface Thirteen
Posted - 2009.10.29 14:19:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Babyface Thirteen on 29/10/2009 14:19:54
That might be two facts, but can theese facts be correlated to your business modell.

Lets see who will NOT be selling directly to you!

1. Pure traders. For obvious reasons, unless they sit around with -5 in broker relations there would be no incentive to take advantage of your offer.

2. Manufacturing traders. Buy stuff, make stuff, sell stuff with good margins. Selling to you would be just as stupid as selling to the normal buy orders. After all, what you offer is just a higher buy order which gives both you and the seller less margins.

3. Industry corps. I just dont see an industry corp make tons of stuff and then cutting their margins by selling to a buy order.

Who might sell stuff to you

1. Mission runners. Theese guys are per definition not intelligent so if you really have a business going your stuff will come from theese guys. Some salvage here and there, som modules, a little ammo. But the amount of mission runners that would be needed to make your business effective would result in way to much work on you side. Accepting contracts from hundreds of mission runners would for obvious reasons be way to much hazzle. Or do you really accept contracts with 50+ different items? Who do the math? you or the mission runner?

2. Stupid people in general. You know, thoose who think tritanium is free if you mine it yourself so they will sell a ship for 110mill which gives the buyer a 5mill bonus if he decide to plat insure it and blow ut up.

Anyways, lets assume there are several manufacturors who supply you with goods. We can also assume none of theese are sitting on T2 blueprints. So you are limited to people producing T1 stuff or people who for some reason waste their time inventing and selling their stuff to your buy orders.

Besides, most T1 stuff have non existing profitt margins. And you must be really lucky to find all thoose manufacturing guys out there who make the stuff that actually have a margin.

I just dont see how it can work.

Signore Kaeota
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Posted - 2009.10.29 14:20:00 - [55]
 

To answer a question a couple of posts up (basically, 'why?') - I have a little under 200m minerals worth of something due up in 12 hours (literally, I just put it on :P); I can either a) Play the 0.01 isk wars, or b) sell to JIDSALE. Option a will net me a 40-45% ROI, b will return 30 - 32.5% (with buy orders going for a 20% ROI). Option a; 1% Of the value is gone straight away because I have almost no trade skills - which reduces my ROI to 38% - 43%; another 0.6% due to minimal standings - ROI is now 37% - 42%; so the overall difference is about a quarter in actual profit. However, on top of that, I don't have to baby sit my order, selling x thousands of item y for a day or two - I can go mine in that time which I assure you, will net more than I lost selling to Cista.

*looks up* Sorry about the wall of text and cr*ppy formatting, I honestly suck at it; though I did try.

Babyface Thirteen
Posted - 2009.10.29 14:58:00 - [56]
 

Exactly what "investment" are you talking about Signore?

Besides, you do realize that contracting 200mill of minerals is not free dont you? And havent you just lost isk if jidsale dont accept the contract?

Also, in Jita low volumes of minerals dont need babysitting.

Magnu Stormhawk
Stormhawk Enterprises
Posted - 2009.10.29 15:14:00 - [57]
 

Its not that hard to understand. There are many reasons why people might want to use this service.

I trade by casting a wide net in certain regions, over a large range of items, and doing a big haul every few weeks. It works for me. At the end of that haul I stack up my sell orders in jita. I am usually getting low on funds at that point and could do with a quick capital injection so i can stack some more buy orders. I pick a few items, usually where the margin between sell orders is not so huge in any case, and sell a batch of them to Jidsale. Its not far off what i would have got selling by sell order, taking into account the broker fees and taxes that i havent had to pay. I could have made a profit even just selling to jita buy orders as i buy cheap, so JIDSALE gives me a much better deal. I also throw in a few items that i dont have so many of, where i cant be bothered to go to the trouble of selling them. This might represent 5-10% of the value of the stuff i am putting up for sale.

Cash is king, and time is money. JIDSALE capitalises on this and makes profit on some players' need for cash and/or wish to do something else other than babysit sell orders.

I'm not getting paid for marketing services by the way Razz, i'm just a happy investor.

Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
Posted - 2009.10.29 15:16:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Babyface Thirteen
I just dont see how it can work.
I do appreciate your concerns, but you seem to be missing the fact that the company is not starting up today, rather it began almost 2 months ago now. In that time we have had quite a few clients.

* Btw none of us trade in either minerals or blueprints atm - well I don't and Eeqo neither (maybe blueprints though), so that's Jita.

Signore Kaeota
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Posted - 2009.10.29 23:31:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Babyface Thirteen
Exactly what "investment" are you talking about Signore?

Besides, you do realize that contracting 200mill of minerals is not free dont you? And havent you just lost isk if jidsale dont accept the contract?

Also, in Jita low volumes of minerals dont need babysitting.


Isk investment, my dear. What else do you invest?

I bought the minerals - so of course they weren't free; and I've never been one of the 'I mine it it's free' crowd. And no, if JIDSALE doesn't accept my product, there is the option to sell them myself (at the mentioned 40-45% ROI), or fill buy orders (for the mentioned 20% ROI).

JIDSALE is an option that gives me the best return/time. That's what it boils down to; the mining was mearly an example of what I can do in that time.

I don't sell minerals, sorry if my post was confusing.

Syphal
Posted - 2009.10.30 04:23:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Babyface Thirteen
That might be two facts, but can theese facts be correlated to your business modell.

Lets see who will NOT be selling directly to you!

1. Pure traders. For obvious reasons, unless they sit around with -5 in broker relations there would be no incentive to take advantage of your offer.

2. Manufacturing traders. Buy stuff, make stuff, sell stuff with good margins. Selling to you would be just as stupid as selling to the normal buy orders. After all, what you offer is just a higher buy order which gives both you and the seller less margins.

3. Industry corps. I just dont see an industry corp make tons of stuff and then cutting their margins by selling to a buy order.

Who might sell stuff to you

1. Mission runners. Theese guys are per definition not intelligent so if you really have a business going your stuff will come from theese guys. Some salvage here and there, som modules, a little ammo. But the amount of mission runners that would be needed to make your business effective would result in way to much work on you side. Accepting contracts from hundreds of mission runners would for obvious reasons be way to much hazzle. Or do you really accept contracts with 50+ different items? Who do the math? you or the mission runner?

2. Stupid people in general. You know, thoose who think tritanium is free if you mine it yourself so they will sell a ship for 110mill which gives the buyer a 5mill bonus if he decide to plat insure it and blow ut up.

Anyways, lets assume there are several manufacturors who supply you with goods. We can also assume none of theese are sitting on T2 blueprints. So you are limited to people producing T1 stuff or people who for some reason waste their time inventing and selling their stuff to your buy orders.

Besides, most T1 stuff have non existing profitt margins. And you must be really lucky to find all thoose manufacturing guys out there who make the stuff that actually have a margin.

I just dont see how it can work.

As a seller setting up a sell order, you take on the risk of your stock dropping in value while you're waiting for it to sell, and you accept a delayed return. Your reward is the difference between buy and sell order prices.

As a seller selling to a buy order, you accept a lower price but you receive it immediately, allowing you to invest your cash and time in something else, and you take on no risk of loss.

Neither the people selling to buy orders or the people placing sell orders are necessarily "stupid".

A seller who sells to an underpriced buy order on a high margin item when a sell order would be accepted almost as quickly is stupid.

A seller who places a sell order on a low margin item because they're obsessed with getting that extra 2% profit, and then spends days trying to sell it, competing with others to babysit their order as the price falls, is stupid.

Whether it is best to set up a sell order or sell to a buy order is not always a straightforward question, especially in competitive markets where the difference between sell and buy order prices is often negligible.


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