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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
Posted - 2009.10.07 01:44:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: W3370Pi4
wow thats below average you better improve that game
Please improve your English. I hear punctuation can be your friend, you might want to try that next time.

Deva Blackfire
Viziam
Posted - 2009.10.07 01:59:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Jin Nib
Originally by: W3370Pi4
wow thats below average you better improve that game
Please improve your English. I hear punctuation can be your friend, you might want to try that next time.


Yet he was right. The thing i saw was:
- generic shooter (nothing special over what ive seen till now)
- empty locations (and way too large distances between cover)
- generic weapons

If this game wants to sell it needs more than "it is EVE but as an FPS". I know its still a bit till its get released but tbh at current level... every PS3 shooter (tpp/fpp, whatever) looks better and has some selling point. Hell even SOCOM (which imo sucks) looks better :X

Jacob Mei
Gallente
Posted - 2009.10.07 02:01:00 - [33]
 

I have to wonder if WIS is going to be some sort of middle ground for interactions between players in Eve and players in Dust. If Eve players are going to be allowed to make contracts for combat to Dust players WIS in my mind would be the perfect meeting place.

HeliosGal
Caldari
Posted - 2009.10.07 03:26:00 - [34]
 

looking very good. Im guessing incarna will be the mid year realise dust will probably be 3-4 months on from now

NSSQUAD
Posted - 2009.10.07 03:40:00 - [35]
 

im sure they will refine it i have faith in ccp look how far eve has come after all. i cant wait to play dust and fight on the ground and in space at the same time:-)

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2009.10.07 04:09:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 07/10/2009 04:11:43
Some things off the top of my head;

Map looks crap, if at all posing as a FPS/RTS you need to improve the map, if only for the RTS crowd.

Weaponry, same gun always? FPS people tend to love their guns & ammo, did I miss something here? The universal gun ain't going to sit well with the FPS people.

Movement and concealment, I did not see any crouching, lying down or leaning in this video, I sure hope there is and that you not just forgot about the survival instinct of people under fire. Hiding, it's going to be hard to do with such perhaps realistic but somewhat clean environments, especially if even the enemy comes with a big ass sign flying over their heads at all times.

Btw, was friendly fire off too? That's a turn-off to have turned off.

Gameplay, I hope it'll be more advanced than both sides having a command ship that needs taking out, the end.

Night commando raids where you kidnap/murder a scientist/CEO, sabotage of a specific installation or a takeover of a sensitive installation prohibiting the use of certain weapons...

Atmospheric flight on the other hand looks very interesting. All missiles or railguns too?

Valdarham
Caldari
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.10.07 04:13:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Mr. Orange
I like it a lot! Shocked

Please bring it to PC CCP!! ugh


The idea is to bring console users and PC users together on EVE. We fly the ships in space, they run around the planet and we meet up in stations as we walk about or something like that. So I don't think it will be released on the PC as it wouldn't make much sense.


metu
Minmatar
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.10.07 04:23:00 - [38]
 

bf 2142 anyone?

Eddie Gordo
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Damu'Khonde
Posted - 2009.10.07 11:30:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: metu
bf 2142 anyone?


Looks like it will be a lot more in depth than bf 2142 to me.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.10.07 11:44:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Map looks crap, if at all posing as a FPS/RTS you need to improve the map, if only for the RTS crowd.
Well, they specifically stated that it's only a prototype so far… which, admittedly, is worrisome on a completely different level.
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Movement and concealment, I did not see any crouching, lying down or leaning in this video, I sure hope there is and that you not just forgot about the survival instinct of people under fire. Hiding, it's going to be hard to do with such perhaps realistic but somewhat clean environments, especially if even the enemy comes with a big ass sign flying over their heads at all times.
This tend to depend on the game type. Dust seems more geared towards the Halo kind of gameplay than, say, BF (not to mention tacshooters, where those things are vital).
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Night commando raids where you kidnap/murder a scientist/CEO, sabotage of a specific installation or a takeover of a sensitive installation prohibiting the use of certain weapons...
All of these tend to require a bit more complexity, especially if you add them to a fMMO (fM for fairly massive) — they work very well in scripted singleplayer/coop games, but beyond that, you get the fairly simplistic "protect item/spot/NPC X" gameplay like we've seen for a nearly a decade in CounterStrike and Americas Army…

I suppose, as they further develop what players can do with or against each other in Planetary Interaction in EVE, those kinds of missions could come into play as an interesting alternative.

HeliosGal
Caldari
Posted - 2009.10.07 12:16:00 - [41]
 

i think the prototype is well advanced, to have it working like it did in the fanfest final presentation given the speed at which ccp move i think youll find that its ready for deployment in feb or march. Incarna using the same engine will come later around June.

And hopefully by then a PC version will be available for dust

Eddie Gordo
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Damu'Khonde
Posted - 2009.10.07 12:28:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: HeliosGal
i think the prototype is well advanced, to have it working like it did in the fanfest final presentation given the speed at which ccp move i think youll find that its ready for deployment in feb or march. Incarna using the same engine will come later around June.

And hopefully by then a PC version will be available for dust


Dont expect it before late 2010. There is an expansion after Dominion that will introduce planetary interaction, dust 514 will not be out before that and it has also been said that it will likely not be out before incarna.

Lord Bentley
The Syndicates
Posted - 2009.10.07 12:37:00 - [43]
 

I must say that those ships looked quite nice, but thats about it. The maps looked poor in quality, shaders and other stuff didnt look very good either. I hope this is
not the graphical quality when it comes out.

Consol crowd wants to see very nice graphics to buy a game, graphics sell and game play keep players. I would not buy it, if i would see that demo and would be offered to buy it (as eve player i still would tho).

Avarage stuff, and yes animations were avarage too. Bit worrying...

Anhur Shu
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2009.10.07 12:43:00 - [44]
 

They should start over, from the beginning!

I want mechs in EVE! Seems appropriate, and logical, anyway...we could still be pod pilots. Move our pods from our ships to our mechs. Very Happy

I'm kidding of course. But, when I started playing this game I always pictured that when planetary interaction finally was a reality it would be in the form of a "Mech Assault" type game. Oh well, I'm still interested in how it's all going to work out.

HeliosGal
Caldari
Posted - 2009.10.07 12:47:00 - [45]
 

keynote speech dust is coming before incarna its up on youtube now

Reid Mallenfant
Posted - 2009.10.07 14:20:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Eddie Gordo
Originally by: HeliosGal
i think the prototype is well advanced, to have it working like it did in the fanfest final presentation given the speed at which ccp move i think youll find that its ready for deployment in feb or march. Incarna using the same engine will come later around June.

And hopefully by then a PC version will be available for dust


Dont expect it before late 2010. There is an expansion after Dominion that will introduce planetary interaction, dust 514 will not be out before that and it has also been said that it will likely not be out before incarna.


Late 2010, probally 2011, dont they know whats happening 21/12/2012

Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2009.10.07 14:27:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Reid Mallenfant
Late 2010, probally 2011, dont they know whats happening 21/12/2012


Nothing, because there's only 12 months in a year, not 21.

Silly europeans.

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2009.10.07 14:48:00 - [48]
 

Looks pretty good so far. Very Happy

serenity000
Gallente
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.10.07 17:37:00 - [49]
 

HD Trailer (CCP Cam, still not actual source video)

Barakkus
Posted - 2009.10.07 20:49:00 - [50]
 

Holy crap, I might just buy a console to play that...

Dan Spitty
Gallente
Psychotic Disorders
Dangerous By Design
Posted - 2009.10.08 00:45:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
To be honest it looked like the Commander had almost HL: Natural Selection-like importance. That's rare in FPS games. In fact I can't really name one outside Natural Selection that has that kind of RTS/FPS mix.

I remember Battlezone/Battlezone2 had a nice mix of RTS/FPS way back.

Dust and the new stuff in Eve does look a little cool. Causing havoc on planets with other station spinners :)

Barakkus
Posted - 2009.10.08 00:55:00 - [52]
 

It looks like what Section 8 could have been...I was soooooo disapointed with Section 8 after I bought it...this however looks like it will blow that game out of the water x10000000000.

HeliosGal
Caldari
Posted - 2009.10.08 01:18:00 - [53]
 

they state in the vid dust then incarna

Lolion Reglo
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.10.08 02:58:00 - [54]
 

Guys, just to remind you this game is still in development. IT can be completely scrapped and changed around in the time they have from now till they release it. Post your worries about what you think needs to be changed and other stuff like that but note that a lot of the issues you are naming are because they probably only put together the bare minimum build of the game to show you what all it will be like.

Call it the skeleton of the game if you will. They still have to put on muscles (game play features, equipment, player movement controls, etc) as well as skin (cleaner graphics, less stiff people, smaller maps or more dynamic detailed maps, etc) on this beast they are creating.

Its a lot of work and it takes time. I'm amazed they had such a nice working demo to show case to us to begin with. either way I'm sure they are taking your thoughts into consideration and are working to fix what is wrong right now.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2009.10.08 02:58:00 - [55]
 

Que the inevitable people spouting "this prototype doesn't look as good as (insert finished product FPS they currently like)".

Please.

It also might occur to you that if DUST is merely average in graphics and combat options, it will still have a powerful draw for completely different reasons. Better and more meaningful game play, persistent universe, brilliant interaction with EVE, modular fitting of vehicles, the list of things to attract (and more importantly hold) players goes on and on... far beyond the "oh shiny" factor.


Lolion Reglo
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.10.08 03:44:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
Que the inevitable people spouting "this prototype doesn't look as good as (insert finished product FPS they currently like)".

Please.

It also might occur to you that if DUST is merely average in graphics and combat options, it will still have a powerful draw for completely different reasons. Better and more meaningful game play, persistent universe, brilliant interaction with EVE, modular fitting of vehicles, the list of things to attract (and more importantly hold) players goes on and on... far beyond the "oh shiny" factor.




Exactly. id rather have a nitty gritty game that doesn't have a lot of shine but a shi-ton of game play ability and features.

Eddie Gordo
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Damu'Khonde
Posted - 2009.10.08 13:08:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
Que the inevitable people spouting "this prototype doesn't look as good as (insert finished product FPS they currently like)".

Please.

It also might occur to you that if DUST is merely average in graphics and combat options, it will still have a powerful draw for completely different reasons. Better and more meaningful game play, persistent universe, brilliant interaction with EVE, modular fitting of vehicles, the list of things to attract (and more importantly hold) players goes on and on... far beyond the "oh shiny" factor.




Not to mention the fact that CCP really know what they are doing in the graphics department. Just look at the latest planets and incarna..

I think they also won all kinds of awards for best graphics when eve came out in 2003.

Jonny Lumi
Gallente
Blend.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2009.10.08 13:43:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Reid Mallenfant
Late 2010, probally 2011, dont they know whats happening 21/12/2012


Nothing, because there's only 12 months in a year, not 21.

Silly europeans.


But... Isn't it more logical to write them from the shortest unit to the longest?

Tbh I always wondered why the month should come first. But oh well, I'm just a silly scandinavian. Wink

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.10.08 13:55:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Jonny Lumi
Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Reid Mallenfant
Late 2010, probally 2011, dont they know whats happening 21/12/2012
Nothing, because there's only 12 months in a year, not 21.

Silly europeans.
But... Isn't it more logical to write them from the shortest unit to the longest?
Yes. Middle-endian date formats make no sense and makes sorting a hassle. Y-M-D ftw! (Also, 24-hour time format). Razz

Murdoc Messenger
Minmatar
Thunderwaffe
Posted - 2009.10.08 14:22:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Murdoc Messenger on 08/10/2009 14:25:22
Originally by: Jin Nib
The FPS part looks like any other one out there. I was hoping they'd mix it up a bit.


They should make it possible to capture other soldiers in the game, and have suprise sex with them. Do not think that is in any other games out there.

And I do hope they make jihad vests for suicide runs. That would also be a fairly new thing for FPS games.


Being able to r ape and jihad would make DUST unique. Should not be to hard to code either.


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