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Acid Flipper
Sock Robbers Inc.
Posted - 2009.10.06 11:30:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: N'tek alar
Originally by: Acid Flipper

this of course only works if there isnt also a space navy of the planet X.

ohwell.


Ofc it works even if there's also a space navy of planet x.

Said space navy wouldn't be called "Federation Navy" as the navy of planet x represents planet x, Not the whole Federation.

The Federation Navy = the navy of the federation, ie, Not the navy of some random planet within the federation.


you missed that point. If the president called and said "give me the navy of planet X" he would get the answer: "the space navy or the watery navy?" And then we are back to the main problem as posted by the OP.

Wacktopia
Sicarius.
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2009.10.06 11:37:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Wacktopia on 06/10/2009 11:38:08
A 'flock' of dodos and a 'flock' of seagulls share the same collective noun. There is no reason why a sea navy and a space navy shouldn't.

/thread

Tellenta
Gallente
versic LLC
Posted - 2009.10.06 12:45:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Acid Flipper
Originally by: N'tek alar
Originally by: Acid Flipper

this of course only works if there isnt also a space navy of the planet X.

ohwell.


Ofc it works even if there's also a space navy of planet x.

Said space navy wouldn't be called "Federation Navy" as the navy of planet x represents planet x, Not the whole Federation.

The Federation Navy = the navy of the federation, ie, Not the navy of some random planet within the federation.


you missed that point. If the president called and said "give me the navy of planet X" he would get the answer: "the space navy or the watery navy?" And then we are back to the main problem as posted by the OP.


Not true, if in fact a planet has both a wet navy and a space navy this would imply that both are under planetary control. This means there will be a person, or a collection of persons that are in fact in charge of said Navy. Whether both the space and sea based Navys are under the same name "Navy" would fall under local planetary nomenclature there-by making this whole discussion moot. Regardless when contacting the Admiral in charge of the navy you will indeed be able to find a person that is in charge of the macro elements of planetary defense. However I find it more likely that there would be planetary militia's and not really the seperation of branches we currently have.

Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
Posted - 2009.10.06 12:51:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Nova Fox on 06/10/2009 12:52:41
Army - Targets ahead and threats from above
Marines - Targets ahead and threats from above
Airforce - Targets ahead and threats from ahead and below
Navy - Targets and threats from ahead below and above

This is generally speaking though there are alot of exceptions but this is mostly what the forces are dedicatingly built up to deal with.

Out of any sort of military the Navy is already used to a 360 battlefield.
The tools dont change much they're still pertty much the same animal in a different environment. Who is to say that operations arent much different between the two as well?

Its only natural for us to consider calling the space equivalent of a military a naval command as well even though has little to do with water.

Now if you where a bunch of aliens living on a desert planet then im sure it would be refered to as something else other than a navy. Maybe a Stratoforce or something weird and in that case theyll probably use the same exact names and analogies inherited from thier long time military traditions of warfare.

In my science fiction im peicing together the space navy is water capable, saves quite alot on the landing bills

Gantak Indofani
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2009.10.06 12:54:00 - [35]
 

Wow! I managed to start a topic that has gone all over the place. It's like a 3 year old trying to do a painting. Messy:)

So, someone said about US Navy Space Command - thats the the US Navy having jurisdiction over a particular aspect of US Space ops. Not an actual Space-based Navy. The USAF also have alot of involvement in that arena.

And someone said something about the astronaut training program including underwater training because it most closely resembles 'space conditions'. Errr, no it doesn't and thats NOT the reason why.

They use the underwater testing as it is the nearest to micro-gravity effects, it's not for simulating ALL conditions of space. They use it to test tools, foot and handholds on the outside of spacecraft, procedures and also to give the astronauts a very general idea of movement and the adjustments necessary to normal movement activities in a micro-gravity environment (note: MICRO-gravity, NOT Zero. You are always under the influence of gravity to some extent in space unless you are in deep-deep space far from any celestial bodies. What do you think keeps the planets aligned?)

Have fun ya'll.

Bethany Blaze
Amarr
Cool Story Bro
Posted - 2009.10.06 13:05:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Gantak Indofani
And someone said something about the astronaut training program including underwater training because it most closely resembles 'space conditions'.


Originally by: Gantak Indofani
They use the underwater testing as it is the nearest to micro-gravity effects, it's not for simulating ALL conditions of space. [...]


They never used the term "all space conditions" (bolded for emphasis of missing word). You simply elaborated on what was a very acceptable summarization, given this is Eve GENERAL Discussion, not Out of Pod (Off Topic) discussion.

Mercurye
Nubian Sundance
Posted - 2009.10.06 13:12:00 - [37]
 


Bethany Blaze
Amarr
Cool Story Bro
Posted - 2009.10.06 13:14:00 - [38]
 


Gantak Indofani
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2009.10.06 13:14:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Bethany Blaze
Originally by: Gantak Indofani
And someone said something about the astronaut training program including underwater training because it most closely resembles 'space conditions'.


Originally by: Gantak Indofani
They use the underwater testing as it is the nearest to micro-gravity effects, it's not for simulating ALL conditions of space. [...]


They never used the term "all space conditions" (bolded for emphasis of missing word). You simply elaborated on what was a very acceptable summarization, given this is Eve GENERAL Discussion, not Out of Pod (Off Topic) discussion.


Yet, you are missing the context. The response of the poster I quoted was itself posted below a quote from another which mentioned vacuums and water-tightness (if there is such a word). The water-testing tanks of Nasa are nothing to do with testing for those conditions.

Korovyov
Cool Story Bro
Posted - 2009.10.06 13:17:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Mercurye

The Navy is all about the sea and oceans, and..things ^^

ugh



Dude, your face...

Where's the horrifically garish makeup applied by fashion challenged assembly robots?

P.S. I'm in your Navy, protecting your Motherlands.

Korovyov
Cool Story Bro
Posted - 2009.10.06 13:18:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Gantak Indofani
Yet, you are missing the context. The response of the poster I quoted was itself posted below a quote from another which mentioned vacuums and water-tightness (if there is such a word). The water-testing tanks of Nasa are nothing to do with testing for those conditions.


0/10

This thread is now about Gallente fashion failures and the implications of The Village People in the EVE universe.

Bethany Blaze
Amarr
Cool Story Bro
Posted - 2009.10.06 13:20:00 - [42]
 

I've always wondered why Gallente females paint racing stripes on their faces. Heck, I've wondered why they're glossy. Also, do they rub off like normal makeup can, or is it permanent? If it is, are there any harmful side-effects to skin health?

Mercurye
Nubian Sundance
Posted - 2009.10.06 13:28:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Bethany Blaze
I've always wondered why Gallente females paint racing stripes on their faces. Heck, I've wondered why they're glossy. Also, do they rub off like normal makeup can, or is it permanent? If it is, are there any harmful side-effects to skin health?


Theyre tramps...what can we, ehh..I say. Im Intaki, and I take pride in a subtle yet charming marking

Never understood those "gals" Confused

Gaborelle
Gallente
The Motley Crew Reborn
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2009.10.06 13:30:00 - [44]
 

the Jove must call their fleet "the collective" seeing as they are the most borg like race.

u will all be assimilated by the Jove -- resistance is futile -- the collective must grow - the collective seek perfection

Korovyov
Cool Story Bro
Posted - 2009.10.06 13:32:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Korovyov on 06/10/2009 13:33:08
Originally by: Gaborelle
u will all be assimilated by the Jove -- resistance is futile -- the collective must grow - the collective seek perfection


That certainly explains why they don't come around anymore.

Gantak Indofani
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2009.10.06 13:37:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Korovyov
Originally by: Gantak Indofani
Yet, you are missing the context. The response of the poster I quoted was itself posted below a quote from another which mentioned vacuums and water-tightness (if there is such a word). The water-testing tanks of Nasa are nothing to do with testing for those conditions.


0/10

This thread is now about Gallente fashion failures and the implications of The Village People in the EVE universe.


Hey! I didn't want my posting rated. And shut-it Caldari scum. Twisted Evil

Korovyov
Cool Story Bro
Posted - 2009.10.06 13:40:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Gantak Indofani
Hey! I didn't want my posting rated. And shut-it Caldari scum. Twisted Evil


There's no need to feel down. Pick yourself up off the ground.

Bethany Blaze
Amarr
Cool Story Bro
Posted - 2009.10.06 13:43:00 - [48]
 

I'm now fascinated by the idea that the Village People are, in fact, a well-known and perhaps popularly collected band among Caldari pod pilots.

Mercurye
Nubian Sundance
Posted - 2009.10.06 13:43:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Korovyov
Originally by: Gantak Indofani
Hey! I didn't want my posting rated. And shut-it Caldari scum. Twisted Evil


There's no need to feel down. Pick yourself up off the ground.


.... 3/10

Now youre overdoing it dear!


Korovyov
Cool Story Bro
Posted - 2009.10.06 13:44:00 - [50]
 

The real question is which corp in EVE is the YMCA.

Mercurye
Nubian Sundance
Posted - 2009.10.06 13:51:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Korovyov
The real question is which corp in EVE is the YMCA.


YMCA ticker belongs to ....tada, surprise.. The Village People corp ^^

Only one member in it, so not a great succes in the future :P

Korovyov
Cool Story Bro
Posted - 2009.10.06 13:54:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Mercurye
YMCA ticker belongs to ....tada, surprise.. The Village People corp ^^

Only one member in it, so not a great succes in the future :P


Oh, I meant in a more metaphorical sense. Let me rephrase...

Which NPC corp, by its fictional background and standings, is the EVE equivalent of the YMCA?

I'd say the Sisters of EVE offhandedly, but that conflicts with the M.

Mercurye
Nubian Sundance
Posted - 2009.10.06 14:04:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Korovyov
Originally by: Mercurye
YMCA ticker belongs to ....tada, surprise.. The Village People corp ^^

Only one member in it, so not a great succes in the future :P


Oh, I meant in a more metaphorical sense. Let me rephrase...

Which NPC corp, by its fictional background and standings, is the EVE equivalent of the YMCA?

I'd say the Sisters of EVE offhandedly, but that conflicts with the M.


I wanted to say some randon Gallente corp....but then I thought "Hmmm...what about that "C" in YMCA?

So I would say something Amarr...but lets not get into that Rolling Eyes

Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
Posted - 2009.10.06 14:08:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Gantak Indofani
And someone said something about the astronaut training program including underwater training because it most closely resembles 'space conditions'. Errr, no it doesn't and thats NOT the reason why.

They use the underwater testing as it is the nearest to micro-gravity effects, it's not for simulating ALL conditions of space.


I didn't say it closely resembled space conditions. I said it was the best way we have to simulate space conditions, and it seems we agree on that. The poster i was responding to was acting under the impression that space and underwater were vastly different, and using underwater conditions in that way is evidence that they aren't so vastly different.

Originally by: Washell Olivaw
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
claiming they're looking for water


They're not, they're hoping to determine the average quantity of water in the soil.


They were pretending there was no water there until lately. The very idea of bombing it was originally supposed to be because they didn't find any on the surface, so they were looking deeper.

You can read all the articles where NASA first announced the plans to bomb the moon, and every one, without exception, including the one i linked before, says they were looking for water. Not trying to find out how much.

Korovyov
Cool Story Bro
Posted - 2009.10.06 14:13:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Mercurye
I wanted to say some randon Gallente corp....but then I thought "Hmmm...what about that "C" in YMCA?

So I would say something Amarr...but lets not get into that Rolling Eyes


I've been to Amarr. They greatly lack the charitable spirit of the early YMCA. And just because the Gallente are liberal doesn't preclude them from religion. In fact, their liberal tendencies would be a breeding ground for a charitable community organization like the YMCA.

Bethany Blaze
Amarr
Cool Story Bro
Posted - 2009.10.06 14:15:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Korovyov
Originally by: Mercurye
I wanted to say some randon Gallente corp....but then I thought "Hmmm...what about that "C" in YMCA?

So I would say something Amarr...but lets not get into that Rolling Eyes


I've been to Amarr. They greatly lack the charitable spirit of the early YMCA.


It sucks when you're born Amarr. All those rulers smacking my fingers raw when all I wanted was a cookie. ugh

Gantak Indofani
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2009.10.06 15:04:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Professor Tarantula
I didn't say it closely resembled space conditions. I said it was the best way we have to simulate space conditions, and it seems we agree on that. The poster i was responding to was acting under the impression that space and underwater were vastly different, and using underwater conditions in that way is evidence that they aren't so vastly different.


Point conceeded Smile

Dust Irae
Minmatar
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2009.10.06 20:09:00 - [58]
 

I think a water-based navy wouldn't have a reason to exist. All planets seem to be owned by single nations, unlike our Earth of today with many warring nations owning bits of land here and there. Also, in the event of war on the planet's surface, troop deployment, bombardment, all of those things - could be done from space and sky. There is no need for water-based fleets when, in orbit, there might be a thousand battleships.

Amitious Turkey
Gallente
TarNec
Posted - 2009.10.06 20:48:00 - [59]
 

Yarr, pirate be pirate whether flying or sinking...YARRRR!!

Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Global Economy Experts
Posted - 2009.10.06 21:06:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Dretzle Omega on 06/10/2009 21:06:52
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
I said it was the best way we have to simulate space conditions, and it seems we agree on that. The poster i was responding to was acting under the impression that space and underwater were vastly different, and using underwater conditions in that way is evidence that they aren't so vastly different.


Underwater is the best way to simulate the loss in gravity in space, yes. That doesn't mean that spaceship design would be the same, and you could design some portions of a spaceship for the crew (airtight) and some portions of the spaceship that didn't need to be airtight in space. However, put water in those portions could do bad things for the ship.

And I wasn't arguing that you couldn't design a spaceship that could fly through air and water. I'm not an engineer; I'm sure it's perfectly doable.

I was arguing against this comment of yours:

Quote:
There's also how anything that can move through space could probabaly do the same with water.


Which is frankly not true. You can design (as I have tried to illustrate) spaceships that won't move well through water. You said "anything", I say no. In fact, it's perfectly realistic that a ship designed to work most efficiently in space can't even operate underwater. That's what I was illustrating.


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