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RoCkEt X
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2009.10.04 01:54:00 - [1]
 

new fighter bombers = 7500m3
fighters = 5000m3

20 of each = 250km3.

currently only the nyx can hold a full set of both (assuming carrier 5) and even the nyx cant carry normal drones at the same time whilst doing that.

is this intentional...? or?

Bellum Eternus
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.10.04 05:29:00 - [2]
 

To this I say "So?"

Perry
Amarr
The X-Trading Company
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2009.10.04 07:24:00 - [3]
 

Who would use Fighters? Silly OP is silly...

RoCkEt X
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2009.10.04 08:16:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Bellum Eternus
To this I say "So?"


you my friend have clearly not flown a MS, and havnt tested fighter bombers, and possibly dont understand the neccessity to be able to kill stuff like... ooh um... HIC's?

Incase nobody told you, fighter bombers fire citadel torps, and they dont hit moving or stationary cruiser sized targets well at all.

So unless you plan on beating the guy thats tackling you to death with your ignorance (damn thats a good line xD), you're going to be there a looooong time :)

-RX

Bellum Eternus
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.10.04 09:19:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: RoCkEt X
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
To this I say "So?"


you my friend have clearly not flown a MS, and havnt tested fighter bombers, and possibly dont understand the neccessity to be able to kill stuff like... ooh um... HIC's?

Incase nobody told you, fighter bombers fire citadel torps, and they dont hit moving or stationary cruiser sized targets well at all.

So unless you plan on beating the guy thats tackling you to death with your ignorance (damn thats a good line xD), you're going to be there a looooong time :)

-RX


I'm well aware of all the technical details of fighter bombers and fighters and Motherships.

Choose between killing caps or killing support.

Again, I say "So?"

You're a noob if you thought that I didn't know every minute detail about the new bombers and 'super carrier' changes.

Xing Fey
Posted - 2009.10.04 09:48:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Xing Fey on 04/10/2009 09:48:21

20FB + 10 Fighters + misc other crap

Also, CV and CVN are apperently getting new fighterbays, seperate from their dronebays...

LoveKebab
Caldari
LOST IDEA
C0VEN
Posted - 2009.10.04 09:51:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: RoCkEt X

currently only the nyx can hold a full set of both (assuming carrier 5)


i can hold 250k m3 with on a nyx with carrier 3 - im special ...

RoCkEt X
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2009.10.04 10:01:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: RoCkEt X on 04/10/2009 10:08:11
Bellum - i'm aware you know the stuff on the new gear, but it does nothing to prevent me from thinking (with all due respect) your non-constructive inital post makes you an idiot.

Originally by: LoveKebab
Originally by: RoCkEt X

currently only the nyx can hold a full set of both (assuming carrier 5)


i can hold 250k m3 with on a nyx with carrier 3 - im special ...


the lvl 5 comment was aimed at a full flight of fighters/drones etc etc being 20 in a mothership (w/ lvl 5), i.e. this is possible in a nyx, but not in any other mom.


Originally by: Xing Fey
Edited by: Xing Fey on 04/10/2009 09:48:21

20FB + 10 Fighters + misc other crap

Also, CV and CVN are apperently getting new fighterbays, seperate from their dronebays...


^^ THIS is what i'm trying to hint at with the OP. if they intend to implement this, there is a good chance an SC will be able to field a full complement of both fighters and FB's + spares.

They're doing it to stop mom's carrying 500 hobgoblins. which tbh is fair enough. Essentially this thread is a 'how far is this patch towards being as dominion will be on release?'

-RX

ArmyOfMe
Hysera.
Posted - 2009.10.04 10:09:00 - [9]
 

have no fear, ccp did mention something about having fighter bays and drone bays on carriers/mom's

Bongvir
Posted - 2009.10.04 10:49:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: ArmyOfMe
have no fear, ccp did mention something about having fighter bays and drone bays on carriers/mom's


Yep. And in addition to that I have also vague memory of seeing some devcomment somewhere that you are not supposed to be carrying full wing of fighters and bombers at the same time. Don't quote me on that tho as I have that comment not bookmarked and there is still 2 months to relase so anything could change even if I would.

Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
Posted - 2009.10.04 11:00:00 - [11]
 

requires some strong faith in ccp to believe in a bigger fighter~ than drone bay though -.-

Ryan Coolness
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.10.04 11:13:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Ryan Coolness on 04/10/2009 11:22:57
Relax, it is pretty certain they will massively increase the fighter/bomber bay when they split the drone bay from the fighter/bomber bay.

And yes, to deserve the term "supercarrier" the ship definately needs to be able to carry a wing of fighter-bombers plus a wing of fighters plus some spare for both, the things will ge shot down after all.

Imho a frighter/bomber bay of 400k m would be reasonable, maybe a bit more.

This allows to carry 2 waves of fighter/bombers (2x 150k m) and one wave of fighters (100k m3), seems fair to me. 500k m for 2 waves of both wouldnt be overpowered either, one thing is certain though, it it stays at 200-250k m it is a bad joke, but I have faith in CCP that they realize this as well, so no worries.

edit:
In case some of you dont "get" it, the ships only dps and class defining ability comes from fighter-bombers which can get shot down so of course it needs room to carry spares just like any other specialized drone ship, period.
The room for spares can ofc be used to either carry fighter-bombers or fighters instead or a mix of both (unless you want to make drone, fighter and fighter-bomber specific bays).

Since the ships cant dock it is even considerably harder to replace lost fighter-bombers, so yes being able to only carry one wave of them would gimp this ship.


 

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