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Captain Tardbar
State Protectorate
Posted - 2009.10.02 20:04:00 - [1]
 

Still a big n00b here when it comes to high level fighting but I think I will be able to fly a BS in a week or two so what does having a "point" on a battleship mean?

What does does it do?

K'uata Sayus
Posted - 2009.10.02 20:15:00 - [2]
 

From what I gather, I may be wrong, it is whether or not you have a warp disruptor or warp scrambler fitted in your mids, and therefore can "pin" an opponent and force him/her to remain on the battlefield.

Billy Sastard
Amarr
Life. Universe. Everything.
Posted - 2009.10.02 20:16:00 - [3]
 

A 'point' refers to warp scrambling/disrupting. It can be used in a couple of ways. One would be in the case where you have a warp disruptor fit to your ship, you would say "I have a point on my ship". Another situation it is used in would be when you are engaging an enemy and you have or would like to have someone scramble the enemies warp drive so they cannot flee. In this case you would say something like "Someone get a point on that ship!"

Emil Erlenmeyer
Posted - 2009.10.02 20:21:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Captain Tardbar
Still a big n00b
and
Originally by: Captain Tardbar
I think I will be able to fly a BS in a week or two
says to me you're going to lose that BS pretty quickly.

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2009.10.02 23:28:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 02/10/2009 23:35:35
Originally by: Captain Tardbar
Still a big n00b here when it comes to high level fighting but I think I will be able to fly a BS in a week or two so what does having a "point" on a battleship mean?

What does does it do?

Warp Disruptors have a Warp Scramble Strength of 1 point.

Warp Scramblers have a Warp Scramble Strength of 2 points, and turn off microwarp drives.

Warp Disruptors have a longer range than Warp Scramblers, so nearly everyone uses disruptors. As you might have guessed by now, a "point" keeps the target from warping away, unless it is neutralized with a Warp Core Stabilizer (which have a nasty targeting drawback).

There is also "infinite point" or "infinipoint" from Heavy Interdictors (HICs) which is nearly impossible to avoid.

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Celeritas 5k
Connoisseurs of Candid Coitus
Posted - 2009.10.03 00:13:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Captain Tardbar
Still a big n00b here when it comes to high level fighting but I think I will be able to fly a BS in a week or two so what does having a "point" on a battleship mean?

What does does it do?


Going to give you some advice that you will probably regret not listening to:

Just because you have the skills to undock in a ship does not mean that you should fly it. Battleships are expensive, slow, juicy targets, and they have difficulty hitting smaller ships. Don't try to pvp for the first time in a battleship, as you will die horribly.

Zartanic
Posted - 2009.10.03 00:42:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Zartanic on 03/10/2009 00:42:47


I often fly a Frigate so I would use a Scrambler (not a Disrupter as it needs two of them and does not shut down MWD's and I will be flying very close to the target anyway) to try and get a point on the target called by the FC. This is called tackling as I also web them. Its a great way for a new player to get into PVP and be useful to larger ship fleets. Its also a great way to die fast:)

BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2009.10.03 01:19:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Celeritas 5k
Originally by: Captain Tardbar
Still a big n00b here when it comes to high level fighting but I think I will be able to fly a BS in a week or two so what does having a "point" on a battleship mean?

What does does it do?


Going to give you some advice that you will probably regret not listening to:

Just because you have the skills to undock in a ship does not mean that you should fly it. Battleships are expensive, slow, juicy targets, and they have difficulty hitting smaller ships. Don't try to pvp for the first time in a battleship, as you will die horribly.


^^ double up on what this guy said. I'm 8 months old and I still don't think I'm qualified to fly one in PvP. You should be -at least- 6 months before you try to fly one in PvE. There is a lot more to flying a ship than undocking it. You need the right fittings and the skills to use those fittings correctly. Concentrate on fitting a frigate correctly first, then cruiser, etc instead of just going for the biggest shiny you can get.

Your other question has been answered, goodluck.

Serge Bastana
Gallente
GWA Corp
Posted - 2009.10.03 06:08:00 - [9]
 

What has been said enough about piloting a BS is true, only start getting into the bigger ships when you understand the concepts of tanking and such. Don't be in a rush to get into anything bigger than a cruiser in your first few months, primarily because it takes decent fitting and combat skills to make ships like a BS really work, not just undock and warp to a mission gate.

I'm just over 6 months old and I'm just getting some skills sorted out ready to step up to a battleship, I'm in no rush because I understand that biggest isn't always best in this game, and if you don't have the skills and experience in fitting smaller ships then you may well suffer terrible losses if you step into something that can take a year or so to truly master.

Honestly, get used to flying frigs and cruisers, they are immense fun and even some of the very experienced pilots still like to fly them. Plus they're very throwaway once you have a bit of cash. The good thing I've found about this game you can actually get a 'feel' for how the ships perform, it's odd since they're only pixels but you do get to know them when you fly them a little while.


Terminus Vindictus
Caldari
Posted - 2009.10.04 01:15:00 - [10]
 

During normal combat comms, you'd only call 'point' on a disruptor, and 'scram' on a scrambler. Since it turns off the MWD, it's actually useful to call the scrams out separately to differentiate between the two.

Cuchulain Spartan
Posted - 2009.10.05 12:35:00 - [11]
 

There's an old saying;

"Just because you own an airplane, it doesn't make you a pilot"

Same goes for Eve. The ship type is only a % of the battle. Without the skills and experience you will loose that BS in no time.

I guarantee that most of the older players including myself could take your BS on in a frigate or cruiser and win.

Go out, buy yourself 20 frigs for 30k each and fit them with junk. Put a point on them and run tackle for an experienced FC. Get all your frigs blown up, wont cost more than 1 millions iskies total for those ships with fittings. Get comfy with PVP and then work your way up.

FYI, there is a time and a place for a BS in PVP, its not an "I win" button.

Evemail me ingame or convo if you have any questions o/

endaler
Posted - 2009.10.05 15:47:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Terminus Vindictus
During normal combat comms, you'd only call 'point' on a disruptor, and 'scram' on a scrambler. Since it turns off the MWD, it's actually useful to call the scrams out separately to differentiate between the two.


I think most people still call a disruptor and a scrambler a point, since pointing is the main goal of using it.

Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
Posted - 2009.10.05 16:12:00 - [13]
 

It doesn't matter that he's not experienced enough. He will fly a battleship anyway. We all did. Why beat a dead horse? Captain Tardbar, godspeed, just remember to buy the platinum insurance.

Fit a warp disruptor on large ships. It uses too much capacitor for a frigate.

Fit a warp scrambler on small ships. It has less range but is more powerful and uses less capacitor.

Draeklore
Unknown-Entity
Maru Ka'ge
Posted - 2009.10.05 17:03:00 - [14]
 

Having a point on a target simply means you have a warp disruptor or scrambler on them.

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2009.10.05 17:08:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 05/10/2009 17:08:52
Originally by: Celeritas 5k
Going to give you some advice that you will probably regret not listening to:

Just because you have the skills to undock in a ship does not mean that you should fly it. Battleships are expensive, slow, juicy targets, and they have difficulty hitting smaller ships. Don't try to pvp for the first time in a battleship, as you will die horribly.

My opinion for PVE:

Having gotten a Raven myself recently, here's my "expert" noob opinion: you may not die horribly, but you may find yourself warping out a lot, and waiting around a lot for your cap to recharge.

My Raven battleship is a totally different beast from my Drake battlecruiser. The Raven has tons more gank, and a lot less tank. I'm on fitting experiment #3 trying to even those out. My cap and shield skills aren't maxed at 5 yet, and it really shows in the Raven. I actually have to pay attention with the Raven, where with the Drake nothing happens fast. On the first day in the Raven, twice I got caught-up managing my drones only to realize my shield was gone and I was taking armor damage!

So if you do climb into a battleship with minimal skills, do be extra careful! You might want to platinum insure it too.

NARDAC
Posted - 2009.10.05 17:22:00 - [16]
 

I'm a 3 month player. I consider myself a noob. Okay, not so much of a noob that I don't understand disruptor points... But, still a noob.

I've been in battleships for a bit over a week. For missioning, they are AWESOME. I make more money in 20 min running lvl 4 than I made all week in level 2 missions. 3 million, 4 million, 5 million bounties in 20 minutes?

That said, I have drones at 5 (need the drones to take out anything too small to hit with arty, 2 more days I'll have tech II drones). I can run tech II shield boosters, boost amps, afterburners. Next I'll be back to learning weapons upgrades 4 so I can use tech II tracking enhancers and gyros.

And, yeah.. I've lost 3 battleships in missions. I know, pathetic... First I was stupid. I was aligned to a station as a warp out point, but when I went to warp I selected the wrong station and hit warp to... and died while realligning. Second, I didn't have the drone skills and coulnd't kill the frigs that had me pinned... I now decline that rouge drone mission when offered. The 3rd, I was AFK for a few min while pounding Krull's Plreasure Gardens, not knowing that it spawns more rats once you get the 2nd ho house into structure. I come back from microwaving lunch to find myself wrapped in a 150,000,000 ISK wreck. Ouch.

So, of the 3 losses, only 1 was truely a skill issue. The other two were IBKAC.

There is value in losing a few ships... Expensive lessons are ones you remember.

Captain Tardbar
State Protectorate
Posted - 2009.10.05 19:20:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Captain Tardbar on 05/10/2009 19:20:57
Originally by: BeanBagKing
Originally by: Celeritas 5k
Originally by: Captain Tardbar
Still a big n00b here when it comes to high level fighting but I think I will be able to fly a BS in a week or two so what does having a "point" on a battleship mean?

What does does it do?


Going to give you some advice that you will probably regret not listening to:

Just because you have the skills to undock in a ship does not mean that you should fly it. Battleships are expensive, slow, juicy targets, and they have difficulty hitting smaller ships. Don't try to pvp for the first time in a battleship, as you will die horribly.


^^ double up on what this guy said. I'm 8 months old and I still don't think I'm qualified to fly one in PvP. You should be -at least- 6 months before you try to fly one in PvE. There is a lot more to flying a ship than undocking it. You need the right fittings and the skills to use those fittings correctly. Concentrate on fitting a frigate correctly first, then cruiser, etc instead of just going for the biggest shiny you can get.

Your other question has been answered, goodluck.


Hehe. Thanks for the advice. I'll stick with Frigs and Cruisers for FW for the time being or at least get some good insurance.


 

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