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Daijiro Kojima
Posted - 2009.10.01 23:57:00 - [1]
 

Hi

I have less than 1.3 m skillpoints, and in a few days i would be able to start doing lvl 4 missions.
Ive completed almost every lvl 3 mission i got in my drake, with very basic modules fitted and almost 600k skillpoints in learning skills.

Ive read that its possible to do lvl 4 missions in a drake, but i doubt i could do them because of my low skills and my bad quality modules. I could afford a raven, but i would like to save money for other things.

Actually, i can fit a drake wich can tank 300dps, this is the fitting:

3x shield power relay I
1x reactor control unit I (because of my lack of powergrid :S here i would fit anothe power relay)

3x Large shield extender
2x Invulnerability field I
1x Shield Recharger ( powergrid problem, would fit AB )

7x Malkuth heavy launchers

3x core defence field purguer I

Could i manage lvl 4 missions with this fitting? My dps is also low, about 120 with this fitting.
The "purguer" rigs are better than the "extender" rigs, right?

Mandarani
Posted - 2009.10.02 00:20:00 - [2]
 

Hey,

I would say no. Your tank will probably be fine (or close to it once you switch to rat specific hardeners), but your dps will be to low to effectively (or at all) kill battleships. A drake can do lvl4 missions but I've only done them once I had t2 launchers so I am not sure about a t1 fit drake.

If you really want to do it in a drake, get engineering 5 (yes it's to lvl 5 but it should take less than 4 days) and then fit a ballistic control in the last low slot. Get best named SPRs and if possible t2 shield extenders/hardeners. That should get you to finish lvl 4 missions, albeit very slowly.

The Raven is a very good money investment, especially if you plan to do missions. With all related skills to 3 it should be able to do any mission as long as you manage aggro. And in a timely manner too.

Daijiro Kojima
Posted - 2009.10.02 00:38:00 - [3]
 

Thx for the reply, that was just what i was expecting to hear :s
I could do them on the drake, but with better modules and some skills, and it still would be really slow.

So, the next step, the drake. Here we go xD

PD: I got a good amount of isk from a friend when i started, because of that i can afford a raven. But how the hell is supposed that a month old character (maybe a bit more ) is going to have the money for a raven??? he would have to do again a lot of lvl 3 missions until he has the money?

Mandarani
Posted - 2009.10.02 02:22:00 - [4]
 

I can't speak for others, but personally when I started I was running lvl 4s by the time I had 1.6 mil SP (back then we used to start with 800k sp but no double training). I made more than enough doing lvl3s and salvaging.

Intangible Mirage
Posted - 2009.10.02 02:36:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Intangible Mirage on 02/10/2009 02:39:29
You're not going to be able to put out nearly enough DPS. Tank MAY be ok depending on the mission but you need the DPS.

As for the Raven. Get some social skills to boost your LP gain and do a BUNCH of lvl 3s to get a navy issue Raven. By then you should have cruise missiles and battleship skills.

In all honesty though I would hold off on lvl 4s until you have probably 5 million SP or more and the ability to fit a full T2 tank and be stable.

Get advanced weapon upgrades for the powergrid issue.

Barakkus
Posted - 2009.10.02 02:50:00 - [6]
 

If you're not careful with aggro, and you get a mission that requires a heavy tank you'll be toast. I've tanked half a room on my alt in my salvage drake while I picked off the things on him, but it can get pretty hairy (he's mostly industrial though). If I get too many thing aggroed on him and they're too close then I usually will have to warp him out at half shields or risk losing it. I lost a drake the other day in a mission in about 30 seconds of a new spawn b/c I was busy micro managing my cap/shields on my main...they spawned and wtfpwnt him before I knew what was happening.

Best bet is to just get yourself trained up for a BS.

Manu Hermanus
FaDoyToy
Posted - 2009.10.02 02:51:00 - [7]
 

first there are a few skills you will want for some basic tech 2 gear.
weapon upgrades to 4, lets you fit tech 2 bcus, far cheaper and more effective then meta 4.
tactical shield manipulation 4, tech 2 hardeners.
as much as you can cram into missiles, heavies 4, rapid launch 4, and warhead upgrades 4 to start.

well you will want to switch your fit up a bit, you say you have the isk for a raven so this should be rather affordable.

get some beta shield power relays, the meta 4 ones, same stats as tech 2 and better fitting.
tech 2 bcus as mentioned above.

a 2/2 split of sprs/bcus should be okay.

drop a shield extender, this should allow you to drop the reactor control.
then fit 3 tech 2 hardeners specific to the mission you are running.
this leaves you with 1 mid, can either put a passive resist amp, shield recharger, or maybe something else here.

7 launchers as you said, the xr-3200s are pretty decent and last time I looked not too expensive.

3 cdfp as you said

also you will want some drone skills, these will help you deal with frigates much more easily and give you more dps to apply to the hard to break battleships. of course some tech 2 would be best but 4 okay skilled ones will work for now.

DbjaBol
Caldari
The Curse of Distant Stars
Bright Side of Death
Posted - 2009.10.02 08:21:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: DbjaBol on 02/10/2009 08:22:00
Low skills will do. Some enemies require AB and you will reduce rocket damage by 40%. Some enemies requiere a bit range. 50.000 km will do fine. 60.000 for strong drone battleships.
Of course you can listen to suck players and wait till you can drive titan.... or you can just do some lvl 4 missions every day a get your first billion after one week like me. i play eve online only one month and this is my setup:

Ballistic Control System I // Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System I // Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System I // Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Power Diagnostic System I

10MN Afterburner I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Ballistic Deflection Field I // check enemy damage and replace it
Heat Dissipation Field I // check enemy damage and replace it
Invulnerability Field I

Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile
Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile
Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile
Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile
Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile
Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile
Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile
Small Tractor Beam I

Core Defence Field Purger I
Core Defence Field Purger I
Core Defence Field Purger I

Hobgoblin I x5

and dont worry about damage. drake is awesome ship and it can kill battleships fast enough. i got a lot friends who showed it. yes, it will take some time in the beginning. many lvl 4 missions are much easier then lvl 3 and you waste your time doing lvl 3 if you dont realy enjoy them. For example in angel extravaganza i have always more then 90% shields and this mission gives 15-20 mil salvage, loot and 10+ mil bounty... this way you can upgrade your ship with faction very quick.

Daijiro Kojima
Posted - 2009.10.02 14:40:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Daijiro Kojima on 02/10/2009 14:46:38
Edited by: Daijiro Kojima on 02/10/2009 14:42:26
Thank u all for the replys, very useful ^^

I think ill try some lvl 4 missions in my drake ( of course, after looking for info about the missions) and ill try to do them with my corp mates.

I think a well fitted drake would tank most of the missions and probably it would be much more profitable than doing lvls 3, but i would have to choose the missions carefully.

However...im considering buying a raven....after all, maybe its worth buying one because i would manage lvl 4 missions faster, so i could make money faster and return of investment in two weeks? ( unless i lose the ship xD)

Originally by: DbjaBol
Edited by: DbjaBol on 02/10/2009 08:22:00

Of course you can listen to suck players and wait till you can drive titan.... or you can just do some lvl 4 missions every day a get your first billion after one week like me. i play eve online only one month and this is my setup:



Yeah, i think a lot of people do missions when they have very few risks....and im not going to be one of them xD. Moreover, i would be moving to 0.0 in a month ( or thats what i expect).

However, a billion in a week with a drake and low skills? ( i ask this because u said that your char was one month old ) Isnt that too much? I though that the isk/ hour ratio was about 40-50m pero hour, with a great ship ( golem/navy issue ) and good skills.

Dracthera
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.10.02 15:14:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Daijiro Kojima

However, a billion in a week with a drake and low skills? ( i ask this because u said that your char was one month old ) Isnt that too much? I though that the isk/ hour ratio was about 40-50m pero hour, with a great ship ( golem/navy issue ) and good skills.


1 billion a week in a low-SP Drake is a bit of a stretch, but doable if you play a fair amount of time and if you loot/salvage your missions. With high skills, faction mods, active tank, 1 billion a week in a Drake is more than doable even without looting/salvaging, and only playing about 4 hours a day.

Manu Hermanus
FaDoyToy
Posted - 2009.10.02 16:39:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Dracthera
Originally by: Daijiro Kojima

However, a billion in a week with a drake and low skills? ( i ask this because u said that your char was one month old ) Isnt that too much? I though that the isk/ hour ratio was about 40-50m pero hour, with a great ship ( golem/navy issue ) and good skills.


1 billion a week in a low-SP Drake is a bit of a stretch, but doable if you play a fair amount of time and if you loot/salvage your missions. With high skills, faction mods, active tank, 1 billion a week in a Drake is more than doable even without looting/salvaging, and only playing about 4 hours a day.


assuming 20mil an hour (might be a bit high for lowskilled drake) it would take about 50 hours, assuming 10mil/hour (might be a bit low) it would take 100 hours. so yes it should be doable, it just might take more time then you are willing to play, tbh if you told me I could make 80 bil in a week, I would just have to play 100 hrs in that week I would probably just tell you to bugger off. (now if it was stay logged in for 100 hrs in the week I'd be all over it)

an 4 hours a day for 1bil a week in a drake, especially without loot/salvaging just sounds a bit much. ~35mil an hour just from killing, reward, and lp. okay maybe it would work if you were getting awesome isk:lp conversion, like over 9000!

Von Kapiche
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.10.02 17:43:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Von Kapiche on 02/10/2009 17:44:03
10m an hour is about right for a low-skilled BC, I think. Gonna take several minutes just to kill a BS rat. 120 dps is way way too low though, you won't break some tanks with that.

Also I see no drones, which is less of a worry in a passive drake, but you don't want to be plinking at interceptors with low skilled HML....

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2009.10.02 20:02:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 02/10/2009 20:03:54
Originally by: Mandarani
I would say no. Your tank will probably be fine (or close to it once you switch to rat specific hardeners), but your dps will be to low to effectively (or at all) kill battleships. A drake can do lvl4 missions but I've only done them once I had t2 launchers so I am not sure about a t1 fit drake.

I have no problem with level 4 missions in a drake with level 2 missile skills, using 6x XR heavy launchers. My tanking skills are 4 and 5 though.

Dracthera
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.10.02 21:27:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Manu Hermanus

an 4 hours a day for 1bil a week in a drake, especially without loot/salvaging just sounds a bit much. ~35mil an hour just from killing, reward, and lp. okay maybe it would work if you were getting awesome isk:lp conversion, like over 9000!


Like I said, high-SP, faction fitted, active tank Drake, not your run-of-the-mill passive L4 setup. 552 missile DPS with my skills and implants, drones add another 100 or so. Running cherry-picked missions I could do roughly 27-30mil/hour (counting LP), so close to 1bil a week (roughly 800 mil).

Manu Hermanus
FaDoyToy
Posted - 2009.10.03 01:46:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Dracthera
Originally by: Manu Hermanus

an 4 hours a day for 1bil a week in a drake, especially without loot/salvaging just sounds a bit much. ~35mil an hour just from killing, reward, and lp. okay maybe it would work if you were getting awesome isk:lp conversion, like over 9000!


Like I said, high-SP, faction fitted, active tank Drake, not your run-of-the-mill passive L4 setup. 552 missile DPS with my skills and implants, drones add another 100 or so. Running cherry-picked missions I could do roughly 27-30mil/hour (counting LP), so close to 1bil a week (roughly 800 mil).


sounds better, but 1bil is a bit of an exaggeration over 800mil.

skcor yzus
Posted - 2009.10.03 02:03:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Daijiro Kojima
Hi

I have less than 1.3 m skillpoints, and in a few days i would be able to start doing lvl 4 missions.
Ive completed almost every lvl 3 mission i got in my drake, with very basic modules fitted and almost 600k skillpoints in learning skills.

Ive read that its possible to do lvl 4 missions in a drake, but i doubt i could do them because of my low skills and my bad quality modules. I could afford a raven, but i would like to save money for other things.

Actually, i can fit a drake wich can tank 300dps, this is the fitting:

3x shield power relay I
1x reactor control unit I (because of my lack of powergrid :S here i would fit anothe power relay)

3x Large shield extender
2x Invulnerability field I
1x Shield Recharger ( powergrid problem, would fit AB )

7x Malkuth heavy launchers

3x core defence field purguer I

Could i manage lvl 4 missions with this fitting? My dps is also low, about 120 with this fitting.
The "purguer" rigs are better than the "extender" rigs, right?


Yes, you can do level 4s. Perhaps not all, but you and I aren't much separated in terms of SP and our drakes are almost identical. I use 2 BCU's and 2 SPR I's in the lows though. Just get used to the idea some missions are going to take you for ever.

DbjaBol
Caldari
The Curse of Distant Stars
Bright Side of Death
Posted - 2009.10.03 06:53:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: DbjaBol on 03/10/2009 10:42:44
With loyalitypoints you can buy ammo, implantats etc. I bring them to low sec or to place near low and people buy them realy quick. For example for 45.00 loyalitypoints and mats for 40-50 mil you can buy 1 caldari navi buy ballistic control system. i bought 3 after 3 days and this was bad deal. for next 150.000 loyalitypoints i bought ammo and implantats after i saw some pirate blogs and infos on forums etc. each loyalitypoint is worth more then 2.000 isk.
most people must have everything like in reallife instantly. they cant wait and they are ready to pay a lot for everything. i finaly got my drones to tech 2 and needed gallente drone specialisation book. there wasent any and i saw one guy who wanted to buy this book for 7 million. i flew 2 jumps ( 2 jumps!!! ) to next systems and bought 3 such books - they cost only 3.5 million there. one for me, one for this guy and put last book for 17 million in marked. the funny thing is somebody bought it today HAHAHAHA

g0ggalor
Posted - 2009.10.03 18:33:00 - [18]
 

People who run L4s in a drake generally have pretty high skills and are using T2 ammo. A low skill drake is awesome for L3s, but it will take you a long time to take out a single BS in an L4, not to mention multiple BSs.

You can start running L4s in a raven soon. I started mine when I was at 1.6M SP, but they took forever and I had to be very careful with my cap and shields. I always stayed aligned too, just in case I needed to bail. A mish that takes me 20 minutes now took me over an hour then, but it was still more profitable than L3s.

Daijiro Kojima
Posted - 2009.10.03 22:15:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: g0ggalor
People who run L4s in a drake generally have pretty high skills and are using T2 ammo. A low skill drake is awesome for L3s, but it will take you a long time to take out a single BS in an L4, not to mention multiple BSs.

You can start running L4s in a raven soon. I started mine when I was at 1.6M SP, but they took forever and I had to be very careful with my cap and shields. I always stayed aligned too, just in case I needed to bail. A mish that takes me 20 minutes now took me over an hour then, but it was still more profitable than L3s.


Thx for the replies. Ive been reading eve survival reports about lvl 4 missions and ive decided to stick to lvls 3 until i can fly a decent Raven or something like that..,Until then, ill make some wormholes, high sec plexes or something else...

Other thing i thought is that, until i can fly a Raven, i could do missions for other factions so i can get positive stadings with all of them. Actually, i have a poor stading with gallente xD, and i would prefer to have it positive.


 

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