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TehRaw Australis
Posted - 2009.09.30 17:36:00 - [1]
 

For any faction, located in high sec not bordering low sec, where and who has the highest agent quality for default lvl4 agent in all of eve?

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2009.09.30 17:51:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Kerfira on 30/09/2009 17:52:59
Most likely the CPF agent in Irjunen....

Eratsaka Ogyonin: L4Q18 in a 0.5 sec system with no chance of getting sent to low-sec. Doesn't get better I think...

TehRaw Australis
Posted - 2009.09.30 18:26:00 - [3]
 

There are 2 lvl4 quality 18 agents for caldari navy, I am just thinking is there even higher quality agents than 18 out there somewhere

Assimil8r
Posted - 2009.09.30 19:20:00 - [4]
 

L4 Q19 agents are the best you find in Empire, and there's at least 1 per region.

For example, in Lonetrek: http://www.eve-agents.com/index.dxd?AgentName=&System=&Region=10000016&Corporation=-&Faction=-&Division=-&Level=4&Skill=-&Locator=-&Storyline=-&FWAgent=-&Sort=10&Direction=1

L4 Q20 agents are available, but they're all located in low- or nullsec.


Oedepus
Posted - 2009.09.30 19:24:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Oedepus on 30/09/2009 19:36:26
Originally by: TehRaw Australis
For any faction, located in high sec not bordering low sec, where and who has the highest agent quality for default lvl4 agent in all of eve?


Both of these agents are in effectively .8 systems so you may be better off with a lower quality agent in a .5 or .6 system.

Ministry of War (Amarr Empire)
Name: Traroh Narouri
Level: 4
Quality: 20
Region: Tash-Murkon
system: Taru (.75)
No Neighboring Low Security Systems

Ministry of War (Amarr Empire)
Name: Eshwil Jassa
Level: 4
Quality: 20
Region: Kador
system: Zorrabed (.84)
No Neighboring Low Security Systems

syphurous
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2009.09.30 19:28:00 - [6]
 

Find a friend or two and start doing lvl5's way better.

Deelicious
Posted - 2009.10.01 17:20:00 - [7]
 

How 'bout you do your own research?

http://eve-agents.com/

Wilhelm Keymaster
Caldari
Rimworlders
Posted - 2009.10.01 22:13:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Wilhelm Keymaster on 01/10/2009 22:14:24
The best I know of for Caldari Navy is:

Kia Isatoh / Command Required standing: 6.9
Corporation: Caldari Navy
Station: Ichoriya V - Caldari Navy Logistic Support
System: Ichoriya (0.6) - Region: Black Rise - Faction: Caldari State
Locator Service: No
Agent type: Basic Agent

She is Command, Level 4, Quality 18, in a Security 0.6 system located reasonably close to Jita.

Julia Venatrix
Posted - 2009.10.02 00:36:00 - [9]
 

In Auvergne/Sinq Laison there's a Fed Intel Q18.

Ties up nicely with the Fed Navy Q13(?) next door in Dodixie, along with a Fed Navy Storyline agent, and another L4 (lower quality though) one more jump away in Aunia.


NoNah
Posted - 2009.10.02 00:55:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: NoNah on 02/10/2009 01:02:28
There's a total of 3 agents total in EVE, in highsec that are level 4, quality 20. Two of these are already mentioned being the Ministry of War agents in Taru and Zorrabed, neither having adjacent lowsec systems. The third one is a gallente FW agent, with an 0.4(although very close to 0.5( True sec: 0.447705203054143).

There's however 8 agents of quality 19, with nothing but highsecsystems adjacent to them. One being Gallente FW, one Concord and 3 each to caldari and minmatar. Aldilur being fortunate enough to have 2 agents, level 4, quality 19 - from the same corp. Oh, and it's astrosurveying! \o/

There are no non-fw combat agents for either caldari nor gallente, above quality 18, however plenty of those.

Versanen Yarida in Uesoro(advisory) is the only quality >18 agent in 0.5 space. While there are no adjacent lowsec systems, there are two in the constellation, one being 1.37 Ly away, the other 2.1, meaning it's unlikely but not impossible for combat missions to end up in them. Once again, there are plenty of q18 agents in 0.5 systems with no lowsec in their constellation.

Milo Melano
Posted - 2009.10.02 08:14:00 - [11]
 

I know of a lvl 20 lvl 4 mission agent in .5 space. It has low sec on one side of it though and near a busy route into 0.0 so you'd probably want to turne those low sec missions down.

As far as the rating goes. does that just help mission and lp rewards or does it also influence the bounties, loot, and salvage of the missions?

Qui Shon
Posted - 2009.10.02 09:17:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Qui Shon on 02/10/2009 09:18:17
Originally by: Deelicious
How 'bout you do your own research?

http://eve-agents.com/



Amen. When sites like that make it so easy, there is simply no excuse for threads like this.
Here's another with an even better interface, though it's slightly out of date.
http://eveinfo.com/agents/

Btw, highest HISEC agent LP/mission I've gotten with both connection skills at lvl 4 is 9200 (maybe 9400ish with L5 skills?) from a Q18. I.e. sec status > quality, and sec status has two numbers after the 0, not just the single one the game shows you.

Originally by: Milo Melano
As far as the rating goes. does that just help mission and lp rewards or does it also influence the bounties, loot, and salvage of the missions?


Only LP.

Karadan Kaarwen
Posted - 2009.10.02 11:34:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Deelicious
How 'bout you do your own research?

http://eve-agents.com/



How about you chime in with something constructive and useful instead of snide, childish remarks?
Rolling Eyes

Vigo Larcen
Dark Claw Raiders
Posted - 2009.10.02 12:29:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Karadan Kaarwen
Originally by: Deelicious
How 'bout you do your own research?

http://eve-agents.com/



How about you chime in with something constructive and useful instead of snide, childish remarks?
Rolling Eyes


Giving a newbie a valuable resource they can use to do their own research actually is constructive. Telling them what agent to run missions for isn't.

Qui Shon
Posted - 2009.10.02 12:37:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Karadan Kaarwen
Originally by: Deelicious
How 'bout you do your own research?

http://eve-agents.com/



How about you chime in with something constructive and useful instead of snide, childish remarks?
Rolling Eyes


Childish? Rolling Eyes
What's childish is this mindset of instant gratification for zero effort people like you have. On a principled as well as a practical level, as the result of "do this, there" without thought or knowledge, will always produce suboptimal results.

Deelicious gave by far the best help in this thread. You? You gave no help to anyone at all.

NoNah
Posted - 2009.10.02 14:37:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: NoNah on 02/10/2009 14:49:52
Edited by: NoNah on 02/10/2009 14:37:48
Originally by: Qui Shon
I.e. sec status > quality, and sec status has two numbers after the 0, not just the single one the game shows you.



Please, enlighten us, how come it's only the first two decimals that matter? I mean I consider the third just as important, and thought it had as much importance(well a tenth of it obviously, but same goes for the second in relation to the first).

IE do you have any source of this info you boast out?

I sadly don't have the exact formula at hand for LP payout.
As far as I recalled it was something like 1% per quality and 100% per point of sec status, with index 1.0 and 0.

Hence it would be something like:
LP = (BaseValue * (1+(BaseQuality+Negotiations * 5 + Trunc(Effective Standing /10) /100) * sec status * AdvConnectionsModifier))
This would mean a quality 10 agent in 0.5 is equal to a quality 20 in 0.6 or a quality 5 in 0.45. However, that's just a "hunch" from years back, with no real source at all, so I'm grateful that you can supply better date.

As for the actual basevalue this is a floating value based on statistics farmed by CCP alone and updated each downtime. Basically if enough people blitz a mission, it will drop in value. If enough people accept a mission and go afk, and then do it, it will go up in rewards.

Catherine Frasier
Posted - 2009.10.02 15:54:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: NoNah
IE do you have any source of this info you boast out?

I sadly don't have the exact formula at hand for LP payout.
As far as I recalled it was something like 1% per quality and 100% per point of sec status, with index 1.0 and 0.
Wiki says...

Quote:
A difference of 0.1 in system security translates to a 10% increase in rewards. A 1 point difference in agent quality is roughly a 1% difference in rewards. Thus it would be more beneficial to use a lower sec, lower quality agent, than a higher sec, higher quality agent unless the difference is extremely staggering.

Milo Melano
Posted - 2009.10.02 19:30:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Milo Melano
As far as the rating goes. does that just help mission and lp rewards or does it also influence the bounties, loot, and salvage of the missions?


Only LP.


Hope I'm not derailing this but

Aren't the missions a little harder to do when they are in lower security sectors.. or is that only "low sec" ? (is the difficulty only imaginined?)

If there isn't any extra profit for the extra effort beyond the lps and if lps are only mayb 1/6th of the profits.. (mission and time rewards, Bounties, Loot and Salvage being the other parts) is it really worth the extra time for those extra lps?

g0ggalor
Posted - 2009.10.03 06:32:00 - [19]
 

You have bounties, loot, salvage, rewards, bonuses, and LP. Reward, bonus and LP are set from when you are offered the mission. LP is decidedly greater the lower sec you go.

Whether or not security status affects bounties, loot, and salvage has yet to be researched well. I've heard people claim sec status does change and it doesn't, and I don't know who to believe.

NoNah
Posted - 2009.10.03 08:39:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: NoNah on 03/10/2009 08:41:04
Originally by: g0ggalor
You have bounties, loot, salvage, rewards, bonuses, and LP. Reward, bonus and LP are set from when you are offered the mission. LP is decidedly greater the lower sec you go.

Whether or not security status affects bounties, loot, and salvage has yet to be researched well. I've heard people claim sec status does change and it doesn't, and I don't know who to believe.


They don't. It can however have impact on WHAT missions you're able to get, but inside each and every mission they're identical. Each and any given NPC have a fixed Bounty, a fixed loottable and generates a certain wreck. Each wreck is then pooled and have their own loottable. If you scoop around you'll notice several sites databasing both salvage and NPCs. Basically everything that has to do with the agent(any interaction done in station) is affected by sec status any outside is not.

Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Wiki says...

Quote:
A difference of 0.1 in system security translates to a 10% increase in rewards. A 1 point difference in agent quality is roughly a 1% difference in rewards. Thus it would be more beneficial to use a lower sec, lower quality agent, than a higher sec, higher quality agent unless the difference is extremely staggering.



Appreciated, but that's written by someone as clueless as I am. In fact, it's the exact same figures I wrote. There are however a fair bit of things I'm missing, and I know there was a rather detailed list on all these formulas a while back, which I have no real interest in remaking.

Naran Darkmood
Gallente
BlackSite Prophecy
101010 Alliance
Posted - 2009.10.03 12:17:00 - [21]
 

the best high-sec only agent has already been mentioned. It's the CPF one in Irjunen. Unfortunately, it's already so crowded, that I stoped working there long ago.
Al others (even the q20 ones) result in lower LP and rewards due to their being in higher sec rating.

NoNah
Posted - 2009.10.03 14:48:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Naran Darkmood
the best high-sec only agent has already been mentioned. It's the CPF one in Irjunen. Unfortunately, it's already so crowded, that I stoped working there long ago.
Al others (even the q20 ones) result in lower LP and rewards due to their being in higher sec rating.


Irjunen is a 0.521 system. The agent is quality 18.

There's a total of 17 agents with secstatus betwen 0.45 and 0.520. How is that agent better than any of those?

Qui Shon
Posted - 2009.10.03 17:18:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Qui Shon on 03/10/2009 17:28:50
Originally by: NoNah
Originally by: Qui Shon
I.e. sec status > quality, and sec status has two numbers after the 0, not just the single one the game shows you.


Please, enlighten us, how come it's only the first two decimals that matter? I mean I consider the third just as important, and thought it had as much importance(well a tenth of it obviously, but same goes for the second in relation to the first).

IE do you have any source of this info you boast out?

I sadly don't have the exact formula at hand for LP payout.
As far as I recalled it was something like 1% per quality and 100% per point of sec status, with index 1.0 and 0.

Hence it would be something like:
LP = (BaseValue * (1+(BaseQuality+Negotiations * 5 + Trunc(Effective Standing /10) /100) * sec status * AdvConnectionsModifier))
This would mean a quality 10 agent in 0.5 is equal to a quality 20 in 0.6 or a quality 5 in 0.45. However, that's just a "hunch" from years back, with no real source at all, so I'm grateful that you can supply better date.

As for the actual basevalue this is a floating value based on statistics farmed by CCP alone and updated each downtime. Basically if enough people blitz a mission, it will drop in value. If enough people accept a mission and go afk, and then do it, it will go up in rewards.


Why are you being such a prick? Why don't you start by showing me where you find me "boasting".

But sure, I'll enlighten you, even if you are being a ****. Only the first two decimals matter, because you will certainly notice the effect of the second, while the third will already fall into the realm of meh.

NoNah
Posted - 2009.10.04 00:03:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Qui Shon

Why are you being such a prick? Why don't you start by showing me where you find me "boasting".

But sure, I'll enlighten you, even if you are being a ****. Only the first two decimals matter, because you will certainly notice the effect of the second, while the third will already fall into the realm of meh.


So what you're saying is, all decimals matter, but you consider only the first two significant enough to mention? And that makes those who consider either just one or atleast 3 to be unhelpful and useless?

Boasting might be a bad choice of words, I'll give you that, though I would consider stating that one of the least informative posts(in relevance to original question that is) being the best and pointing out others as useless less than helpful. Especially when your own contribution consists of a link to a rather outdated site that barely does what's asked for. IE to find out the answers you'd have to spend quite some time polling and querying.

But hey, maybe that's just me. Maybe giving someone a pen and paper rather than a blueprint is more help. I mean the pen and paper is so much more powerful than a single blueprint. Not saying there's anything wrong in supplying pen and paper, just saying I can't see what's wrong in supplying the blueprint let alone a reason to flame those who try to.

Qui Shon
Posted - 2009.10.04 09:58:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: NoNah
Especially when your own contribution consists of a link to a rather outdated site that barely does what's asked for. IE to find out the answers you'd have to spend quite some time polling and querying.


Outdated only in terms of a few agent locations, the ones that were moved, and L5's which aren't relevant to this thread. Easy enough to spot ingame. Eveinfo is superior to all other agent sites because it has the map function one click away, which lets you know immediately if there are any lowsec systems in constellation, as well as see which are your closest storyline agents, and your closest secondary agents. Also the best and most intuitive sorting options for agents. Now if only he'd update his db it'd be the only one to use.

NoNah
Posted - 2009.10.04 17:35:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Qui Shon
Originally by: NoNah
Especially when your own contribution consists of a link to a rather outdated site that barely does what's asked for. IE to find out the answers you'd have to spend quite some time polling and querying.


Outdated only in terms of a few agent locations, the ones that were moved, and L5's which aren't relevant to this thread. Easy enough to spot ingame. Eveinfo is superior to all other agent sites because it has the map function one click away, which lets you know immediately if there are any lowsec systems in constellation, as well as see which are your closest storyline agents, and your closest secondary agents. Also the best and most intuitive sorting options for agents. Now if only he'd update his db it'd be the only one to use.


I aggressively disagree, I find a fair handful of ways alot better than that site, even if it was top of the line when it was still up to date, there are plenty of public - not to mention private - solutions that are by far more efficient.

Also, it's missing far more than a few agent locations, it's missing regions(such as black rise) it's missing a handful of corporations, it's missing details in terms of sec status and such.

Qui Shon
Posted - 2009.10.05 07:10:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Qui Shon on 05/10/2009 10:08:42


Yeah you're aggressive all right, but in this context that's not a good thing.

The missing regions, like Black Rise, aren't they only of interest to FW players?

But hey, you tell me a site where I can find my agent(s), see all agents in system with one click, and all agents in constellation with one click per constellation. As I'm sure you know, constellation matters because L4's will give you combat missions within constellation only.

If you got a better site, that fulfills my agent needs, I'd like to know about it of course.

The ones I can think of atm,
www.eveinfo.com
www.eve-agents.com
www.eve-commander.com

Private sites are of course of no use to "outsiders".


edit: fixed an url

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.10.05 08:22:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Qui Shon
As I'm sure you know, constellation matters because L4's will give you combat missions within constellation only.
No.

Qui Shon
Posted - 2009.10.05 09:57:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Qui Shon on 05/10/2009 10:00:25
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Qui Shon
As I'm sure you know, constellation matters because L4's will give you combat missions within constellation only.
No.


Well I'll be...

Allow me to amend my statement then. *I* have never had an out of constellation L4 combat mission, in roughly 6m lp's worth over more then two years. Which matters because there are agents sitting one jump from lowsec, that have never offered me any lowsec combat mission.


 

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