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wallenbergaren
Posted - 2009.09.29 08:26:00 - [1]
 

I keep hearing we're the worst race blah blah

Why so?
Is it all because of the fact hybrids have issues? Because a lot of the ships are quite nice imo

We get the best ceptor, very strong selection of BSes, very good carrier, great HAC, etc. The blasterboats suffer a bit from blasters being [email protected]§ĢĐ@ed but a Brutix or a Thorax can be really awesome when they get into the right position. There's no real sniper BS but who says every race should do everything? We get the most awesome solo PvP BS instead (hype).

Gallente are by no means worse than Minmatar and Caldari have some issues too

So why the hate?

Galtako
Posted - 2009.09.29 09:07:00 - [2]
 

Since you mentioned the hyperion, I have to ask, is it good for PvP or not? I've heard from people that it's great and terrible at it.

tl;dr Hyperion, PvP, yes or no

Chack'Nul
Gallente
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.09.29 09:08:00 - [3]
 

Because our ships can't track equally sized ships orbiting a few hundreds m/s even in our optimal range.

kessah
Blood Blind
Posted - 2009.09.29 09:10:00 - [4]
 

Where ever you are hearing this, its news to me.

Gallente are unfortunately the best race to PVP with. Especially solo. Trust me id rather be rocking about in something Minmatar, but that aint happening any time soon. Phoons good though.

Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
Posted - 2009.09.29 09:14:00 - [5]
 

Because you have exactly four ships which are even worth undocking:


1) Taranis. Overrated as hell, and mediocre for doing the job of an interceptor (tackling).


2) Ishkur. Nice, but way too expensive to justify flying.


3) Ishtar. Solid nano HAC, no real complaints here.


4) Dominix. Awesome solo and small gang battleship.



The carrier is the worst carrier, the dread is getting nerfed to lose its only real advantage (drone bonus no longer applies outside of siege mode), and all the rest of the ships are outperformed by either ships from other races, or the Dominix. This especially applies to blasters, there are few, if any, situations where a blaster boat has any real advantage over an alternative ship from another race.


And no, the Hyperion is not the best solo battleship. In fact, it doesn't even come close.

kessah
Blood Blind
Posted - 2009.09.29 09:21:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Because you have exactly four ships which are even worth undocking:


1) Taranis. Overrated as hell, and mediocre for doing the job of an interceptor (tackling).


2) Ishkur. Nice, but way too expensive to justify flying.


3) Ishtar. Solid nano HAC, no real complaints here.


4) Dominix. Awesome solo and small gang battleship.



The carrier is the worst carrier, the dread is getting nerfed to lose its only real advantage (drone bonus no longer applies outside of siege mode), and all the rest of the ships are outperformed by either ships from other races, or the Dominix. This especially applies to blasters, there are few, if any, situations where a blaster boat has any real advantage over an alternative ship from another race.


And no, the Hyperion is not the best solo battleship. In fact, it doesn't even come close.


Your missing these off that list:

Megathron, Arazu, Myrmidon, Thorax, Vexor. The Hyperion may not be the best solo battleship, but imho it comes in 2nd. Dominix holding the top spot.

For me personally ofc.

Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
Posted - 2009.09.29 09:27:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: kessah
Megathron


Get an Armageddon or torp Raven.

Quote:
Arazu


Unfortunately a very situational ship, and probably the least-useful of the recons. As long as damps remain over-nerfed, it's a pretty underwhelming ship.

Quote:
Myrmidon


Completely outclassed by the Hurricane, Drake, and Harbinger.

Quote:
Thorax


Get a nano-Hurricane.

Quote:
Vexor


Get a nano-Hurricane.

Quote:
The Hyperion may not be the best solo battleship, but imho it comes in 2nd. Dominix holding the top spot.


Not even close. I'd even take a Megathron over it, since the Megathron can at least fit a neut to maybe have a chance against smaller ships. But overall, it's just a poor ship. It's completely outclassed by the Dominix as a solo ship (even if you absolutely must fly a solo battleship), and completely outclassed by the Armageddon/Raven/Abaddon in gangs. I can't really see any reason to ever undock in one, unless it's to self-destruct it and collect the insurance money.

baltec1
Posted - 2009.09.29 09:32:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Galtako
Since you mentioned the hyperion, I have to ask, is it good for PvP or not? I've heard from people that it's great and terrible at it.

tl;dr Hyperion, PvP, yes or no


I am currently testing it. It does have the mids for tackle and the lows to tank a great deal of punishment although it doesnt whack stuff as well as other BS. Still at the moment it looks to be a good HAC killer.

The Djego
Minmatar
Hellequin Inc.
Posted - 2009.09.29 10:06:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: kessah
Where ever you are hearing this, its news to me.

Gallente are unfortunately the best race to PVP with. Especially solo. Trust me id rather be rocking about in something Minmatar, but that aint happening any time soon. Phoons good though.


Meh I maxed gallente because the things you put in the high slots, not the things you put in the lows. Ofc you can tank the **** out of everything and call it a day, but I miss my awsome solo gank mega/rax a lot this days.

You mentioned in one vid that you never liked the plated gank mega. I for myself never liked the tanked hype. The simple reason for this is that I see DPS as the main tool to win fights(exactly the reason why I fly and skilled for a blastership to begin with), and forcing people in a position where I can take them down quickly(what was possible pre QR for a rax or mega against a huge target selection).

For me a blaster ship was a shipclass that favours a dps heavy extrem offensive playstyle, that can overcome his shortcommings in tank by his offensive capabilitys and his range drawbacks by good piloting and some kind of tricking you enemy into your range sometimes for solo. With the HP boost and the rig\booster system that mostly helps tanks this playstyle became a lot less interesting(and a lot less effective against good players).

With the speed and scram changes, but mostly the 60% web it killed practicaly this playstyle against experienced players(because you simply canīt overcome all the issues by DPS anymore, if your target donīt failfits or screws up a lot with his gameplay).

All together I simply donīt like the thing that is called blaster ship this days, since beside of super tanked hypes, kronoses, fully slaved Navy Megas or quick and agile Taranis it mostly fails this days(again in all 4 cases the better tank\EHP is mostly the reason this ships do ok, not her pure offensive abilitys). Neutral

Other than this the damp ships are kind weak with damps(outside of tackling a ratter or busting a mission ship), the myrmidon needs a real drone focus.

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2009.09.29 10:14:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Merin Ryskin

Quote:
Arazu


Unfortunately a very situational ship, and probably the least-useful of the recons. As long as damps remain over-nerfed, it's a pretty underwhelming ship.



The need for tackle isn't situational, at all.

Sure, damps are meh, but range bonus to scrams/disruptors makes the ship very worth it.

I really don't understand how the Myrmidon is "outclassed" by the Drake/Harbinger/Hurricane.

Vexor is very good for a T1 cruiser. Sure, you can use a nano-BC; but then you get a lot more people avoiding fights. This is preety much the only reason to fly a T1 cruiser.


Mikayla Grey
Gallente
Posted - 2009.09.29 10:44:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Mikayla Grey on 29/09/2009 10:46:39
Originally by: wallenbergaren
I keep hearing we're the worst race blah blah

Why so?
Is it all because of the fact hybrids have issues? Because a lot of the ships are quite nice imo

We get the best ceptor, very strong selection of BSes, very good carrier, great HAC, etc. The blasterboats suffer a bit from blasters being [email protected]§ĢĐ@ed but a Brutix or a Thorax can be really awesome when they get into the right position. There's no real sniper BS but who says every race should do everything? We get the most awesome solo PvP BS instead (hype).

Gallente are by no means worse than Minmatar and Caldari have some issues too

So why the hate?


Blasters suck, especially large blasters.
Railguns have relatively low dps in typical engagement ranges.
Solo pvp in a BS is lol, and Hyperion is far from the best at it.
The hacs suck in typical hac gang setups.
Taranis is a "fun" solointy but hardly a good ship for gang pvp.
Drones suck as primary dps in many situations.
Damps are overnerfed.

Lee Dalton
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.09.29 11:04:00 - [12]
 

Gallente are fine.

TheMahdi
Posted - 2009.09.29 11:10:00 - [13]
 

I'm beginning to see a pattern with whiners.

For example, all I see is:
Blasters suck.
Artys suck.
Gallente scuk.
Minmatar suck.
And plenty of Caldari suck.
Missiles suck.

The only thing I haven't heard someone whine about is Amarr. From personal experience, none of the aforementioned items/races suck in anyway. They are different and all perform better or worse for some situations. There is of course some that will perform better in most or overall - but you will never achieve perfect balance without MAKING THEM ALL THE SAME.

In response, Gallente are fine.

Merbusent
Posted - 2009.09.29 11:17:00 - [14]
 

They suck so bad that lemmings eat there tails
They suck so bad people think a megathrong is a towel drying method
They suck so bad that they need duel webs
etc..

Captain Sage
Hole Spectors
E.Y
Posted - 2009.09.29 11:20:00 - [15]
 

Blasters range and tracking sucks! Other than that i like my Gallente ships!

Taranis is great to fly
Domi is a amazing BS
Brutix is a fun throw away BC
Myr over a Drake for PVP ANY DAY of the year!
Arazu is great for small gangs or hunting war targets (granted its crap in fleet engagements
Ishkur and Ishtar are pretty much best in their class
And great T1 cruisers!

Only thing i would ask for is a tracking boost to blasters and a boost to damps, or Gallente recon bonus atleast! :)

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.09.29 11:34:00 - [16]
 

Actually, I'd say Gallente are probably the most balanced race in terms of ships and capabilities, this is from a solo/small gang perspective, obviously gallente mostly suck in a 100+ man fleet environment. Not many of their ships suck to the point where they are unusable, sure, blasters usually lose out to laser/torps on the bs level, and damps stink, but they are in a damn better state than projectiles are.

The only ships that I would avoid in the Gallente line up are the following.
Enyo - Why would you fly one if you can fly arguably the best AF in the game, the Ishkur/Wolf. Taranis/Harpy are both better rail and blaster ships than it.
Eris - Worst dictor, bad bonuses combined with bad cpu.
Lachesis - Arazu has a covops cloak, damps suck, crappy capacitor, split weapons w/ 3 lowslots.
Deimos - inferior to other HACs, use an Ishtar/Vagabond if you want to solo.
Astarte/Eos - inferior to other CS, still flyable though.

As for tech I, pretty much all Gallente ships are competitive with other races.

Don Pellegrino
Pod Liberation Authority
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.09.29 12:00:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Galtako
Since you mentioned the hyperion, I have to ask, is it good for PvP or not? I've heard from people that it's great and terrible at it.

tl;dr Hyperion, PvP, yes or no


Yes in small gang, no if you're fighting more than 1,500 combined dps.

1600 RT
Posted - 2009.09.29 12:04:00 - [18]
 

BECAUSE OF LASER!

The Djego
Minmatar
Hellequin Inc.
Posted - 2009.09.29 12:29:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: 1600 RT
BECAUSE OF 60% WEBS!


Fixed for you. Neutral

Visir
Caldari
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2009.09.29 13:19:00 - [20]
 

If u think gallente sucks, l2p. Easy as that.

Spectre3353
Gallente
Heavy Risk...
Posted - 2009.09.29 13:29:00 - [21]
 

Gallente is fine.

P.S. Merin, saying the Myrm is outclassed by the Drake/Harb/Cane makes me sad. Myrm is an great ship.

Tzepesh
Posted - 2009.09.29 13:57:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Tzepesh on 29/09/2009 14:25:23
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: kessah
Megathron


Get an Armageddon or torp Raven.




This is the most stupid thing I've ever read on this forum.
I dont know what kind of noob are you but your argues are crap and only thing I can recomand you is to shoot yourself.

Megathron is actually the best fleet sniper. And for solo close combat, I beat both ships with megathron Armageddon and Raven.

Large Blasters are fine just becose in optimal your target is already scramed and webed. There is no tier 2 BS who can beat mega in solo combat. Period.


I agree with the fact that some ships are a litlebit underpowored like arazu, myrmidon, hyperion (maybe, I prefere Abaddon anyeway), But gallente have so many ships that kick ass!!!
Ishtar, Dominix, Megathron, Ishkur, Taranis, Ares, Oneiros, Thanatos (yeah) and Moros even with the drone nerf.

NightmareX
Nomads
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2009.09.29 14:06:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Tzepesh
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: kessah
Megathron


Get an Armageddon or torp Raven.




This is the most stupid thing I've ever read on this forum.
I dont know what kind of stupid noob are you but your argues are crap and only thing I can recomand you is to shoot yourself.

Megathron is actually the best fleet sniper. And for solo close combat, I beat both ships with megathron Armageddon and Raven. In fact they have no chance against megathron.

Large Blasters are fine just becose in optimal your target is already scramed and webed. There is no tier 2 BS who can beat mega in solo combat. Period.

Yeah, Blasters are totally fine.

And a Megathron is a very good small gang BS ship up to like 10-15 man gangs.

Those who says Blasters sucks should do two things before they open their mouth and whine Blasters sucks. 1. Check their skills and experience with the Blasters. 2. Check your setup on your Mega / Hyperion or whatever ship that use Blasters.

From when i started to use Blasters some years ago until now, i have never ever seen one single time that Blasters have been performing bad in any ways.

And for those why says Blasters sucks, can i please see your setups on your ships with Blasters fitted?.

Lord Helghast
Posted - 2009.09.29 14:10:00 - [24]
 

lol i love that people say blasters, suck let me hit you with a single antimatter volley and watch as your f*cking armor rips away, blasters are powerful as hell, and ya the large blasters cant hit smaller cruisers for ****, unless you web the f*cker and have the right tracking scripts loaded, but really why take a BS vs a C? if your going to go ganking cruisers in pvp use a BC, the frigging Myrm is a spectacular ship especially with the right drones and medium rail skills

i dont regret picking gallante, though i do plan to cross train either amarr or caldari but thats just for more variety than actual dislike of any of the gallante ships.

Comrade Bliss
Caldari
Posted - 2009.09.29 14:13:00 - [25]
 

I don't fly any hybrid bs so can't say anything about large blasters or rails but I love flying my brutix and thorax. The vexor I haven't tried because I don't trust my drone skills to be primary dps. But anyways the rax and brutix are fun to fly and very much worth their price in my opinion.

So what i try to say is that atleast medium blasters in my opinon is fineSmile

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.09.29 14:21:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: wallenbergaren
I keep hearing we're the worst race blah blah

Gallente pilots are complaining because they can no longer take on three enemies with the same sized ships and win. Wink

Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
Posted - 2009.09.29 14:23:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Tzepesh
Large Blasters are fine just becose in optimal your target is already scramed and webed. There is no tier 2 BS who can beat mega in solo combat. Period.


In an arranged 1v1, my Raven would beat your Mega every time. I'd even have a choice of ways of beating the predictable, one-dimensional Mega.

Unfortunately, the absence of TQ BS 1v1s renders this of little consequence for realistic gameplay.

Vaerra
Darkwave Technologies
Initiative Mercenaries
Posted - 2009.09.29 14:23:00 - [28]
 

What a bunch of crap in this topic .. gallente ships suck? Rite, did you ever fly any of gallente ships, none?

1. Its the most versatile race of all! = one of the reasons I really enjoy the race
2. Blasters are fine, all of them. If you are failing to get in range or whatever, its not ships fault, its yours.
3. Drones are "teh pwn"
4. Taranis, Ishkur, Vexor/Thorax, Brutix/Myrm, Domi/Mega/Hype, Ishtar, Lachesis (if used properly, meaning no ****ty damps, but decent tackling fit, scrams, disruptors), Thanatos, Moros, Erebus - Gallente got awesome ships in almost every tier there is, maybe not best in the class, but surely well performing and fun to fly
5. And all of you guys, that are onto some serious min-maxing, you should relax a bit, play the game, yes?

Only thing I dont like about gallente is.. they are french ..

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2009.09.29 14:27:00 - [29]
 

Reasons we complain:

  1. We used to be the best

  2. We cannot track similar ships at optimal range. We have to fight in falloff like minmatar.

  3. My taranis can no longer outrun warriors and do the damage of some cruisers.

  4. Repping bonuses are becoming less and less useful as solo becomes more and more rare.

  5. Our sniper HAC is the ishtar which is stuck with its drones.

  6. Our tech 2 ships largely suck. Enyo, Keres, Lachesis, Oneros, Deimos, Sin

  7. Our dread is getting nerfed so no longer will be a station camping monster. Our carrier is one of the worse.


Tzepesh
Posted - 2009.09.29 14:28:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Tzepesh on 29/09/2009 14:40:38

Embarassed
Originally by: Gypsio III
Originally by: Tzepesh
Large Blasters are fine just becose in optimal your target is already scramed and webed. There is no tier 2 BS who can beat mega in solo combat. Period.


In an arranged 1v1, my Raven would beat your Mega every time. I'd even have a choice of ways of beating the predictable, one-dimensional Mega.

Unfortunately, the absence of TQ BS 1v1s renders this of little consequence for realistic gameplay.



Using blue pill and crystals?? RIGHT!!!

and no its not true. You can do fair combat on sisi too if your goal is to see the truth and not living in your dream world.


Originally by: TimMc
Reasons we complain:

  1. We used to be the best

  2. We cannot track similar ships at optimal range. We have to fight in falloff like minmatar.

  3. My taranis can no longer outrun warriors and do the damage of some cruisers.

  4. Repping bonuses are becoming less and less useful as solo becomes more and more rare.

  5. Our sniper HAC is the ishtar which is stuck with its drones.

  6. Our tech 2 ships largely suck. Enyo, Keres, Lachesis, Oneros, Deimos, Sin

  7. Our dread is getting nerfed so no longer will be a station camping monster. Our carrier is one of the worse.




a litle comment here.
Ishtar is a great sniper if you want to use it like a sniper. With bouncers II, 2 omnidirectionals and drone scop chip and sentry damage rigs you can deal 433dps at 90+42km.

And Oneiros and Sin are not crapy ships. They are fine.
The thanatos is uber. Just becose of the damage! nuf said.



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