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General Rivera
Posted - 2009.09.29 12:14:00 - [61]
 

This guy is a ****ing idiot, if you dont like Eve then give up your **** and quit. It is true that the longer you play the more SP you have fine, understandable. One thing you did miss because you were talking crap was that Eve is an intense Strategic game, meaning players of lower SP can still gank those who have more SP. It all depends on how you play the game and mod your ship and what ship you choose and how you execute your fight. Some players choose more political paths in the game others choose mining or PVP. The game is an open sandbox and your imagination runs wild, so use it.Twisted Evil

Siko lawk
Posted - 2009.09.29 12:20:00 - [62]
 

Please may I have your tears....

my goal is to collect enough of your tears to fill a bath tub, I will then bathe in them.

Once I feel my skin as absorbed enough of your pain and hardship (which! by the way makes me feel ever so wonderful & is great for the skin)

I will then boil your tears and inhale the whiny goodness, this is the first time I will have actually taken part in Emo Fusion so im not 100% sure but I am hoping that after the boil I will be left with a crystal like solid form of your tears, I will then crush these crystals into powder, manipulate the powder around on my desk into a broken heart shape and snort away...

I have heard it can produce an amazingly subtle and relaxing buzz and it is complemented very well by whale music

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.09.29 12:24:00 - [63]
 

Eve is not a pyramid scheme.

However, if you would like a free T3 Cruiser all you need to do is join the "Free T3 cruiser of my choice" scheme. You can join for free, but you need 5 people to refer you, each sending me 100mil ISK with the name of the character as a comment. They will also be enlisted in the scheme (providing they also provide the required references)
Upon receipt I will contract your choice of *T3 CRUISER* to the character you nominate.

You can trust me. Literally 100's* of FREE T3 Cruisers have been given away by this scheme!


*or less

Noiashui
Amarr
Emo Rangers
Posted - 2009.09.29 12:33:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Praleon

CCP, stop putting things in my Inbox.



At the bottom of that mail, there's a link saying "If you wish to stop receiving future mailings from EVE online then please follow this link: Unsubscribe".. click that and stop whining

Danae Melios
Ordo Ars Scientia
Posted - 2009.09.29 12:47:00 - [65]
 

You can't simply re-define terms to suit your purposes. Pyramid schemes are illegal investment schemes where the only income is from the recruitment of new investors, and their money is used to pay off previous investors. They have nothing to do with skill points, time sinks, etc.

Secondly, most games one can only do well after years of playing. Chess. Scrabble. Bowling. Golf. Baseball. Softball. Basketball. Dungeons and Dragons. Stratego. Poker.

Any game that doesn't have the challenge of spending years mastering the intricacies of it, well, they aren't worth my time.

Every game has different levels of mastery in them. I guess the main difference is that most games separate out those of different levels. You don't see 12 year olds playing MLB teams, for example, unless it's a special exhibition (I guess it could happen). You don't get into the World Series of Poker without proving yourself at local competitions. You can play chess grandmasters, but usually only at special events because they need to play at their level or above to improve.

Which also means that Eve players tend to be better at their game than many other players are at their own games. The reason is that we are forced to compete against one another. Studies on golf and chess have shown that increased competence only comes by constantly playing against others as good as or better than oneself at that game (this has been featured prominently in Scientific American MIND magazine). Here, there are no walls that separate out different skill levels. Which means that those without the taste for extreme challenges quickly leave, whereas those who thrive on challenges tend to stay because they get those challenges. And they improve much faster in Eve than in other games.

So yeah, this elitist atmosphere persists and feeds on itself.

You know, I read an article about this guy who was making half a million dollars a week at trading gold coins, who declared bankruptcy over collecting 100-year old music machines-- like player pianos and the like. People tend to be obsessive over their hobbies. The person who takes an extra job just to support his travel for amateur photography. The guy who spends ten years perfecting his home-made mead recipe for the SCA. The amateur engineer who tinkers with backyard spaceflight.

The problem is, Eve doesn't feed your dream. Many people come to games looking for something to excel at, where they can be someone and not just another face in the crowd. Where others will give them mad props or at least acknowledgement that they might be half-way competent at something instead of smacking them down for thinking outside the box like many people get all day at work.

It's fantasy, it's not real, but by jove it means something to those who choose it as an outlet.

Like it or not, but Eve is no better and no worse than any one of thousands of hobbies, sports and games that people play because they need that outlet, that feeling of accomplishment. And yeah, there are always those who hate on them because of that.

They think that there's something harmful in it, that the people involved should just be content to be, to live. They've forgotten how to dream, how to reach beyond themselves and excel and don't feel comfortable in the company of those who do excel, who have that ambition and that drive.

And at least Eve is international, which means participants get a broader audience than the folks at the 4-H fairgrounds or the local soccer community.

I know, "It's just a game." Well, you know, the same thing can be said about any hobby or any pursuit. It's "just" this or "just" that, no consequence. Except to those who participate, those who compete.

If you don't have the guts for it, if it doesn't set your blood on fire, then fine, go away. But why the need to disparage everyone who finds a dream or goal here, or a group of new friends to chew the fat with?

Serenthris Landry
Posted - 2009.09.29 12:56:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Danae Melios

I know, "It's just a game." Well, you know, the same thing can be said about any hobby or any pursuit. It's "just" this or "just" that, no consequence. Except to those who participate, those who compete.

If you don't have the guts for it, if it doesn't set your blood on fire, then fine, go away. But why the need to disparage everyone who finds a dream or goal here, or a group of new friends to chew the fat with?


Amen

/thread

Ana Vyr
Caldari
Posted - 2009.09.29 13:10:00 - [67]
 

The game itself is not a pyramid scheme.

Alliances sure are though.

Waci
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2009.09.29 13:25:00 - [68]
 

You obviously don't know what a pyramid scheme is, so don't call ANYTHING that until you do. -10
You obviously don't know how EVE works, so don't talk about it as if you did. -8
Your post was well constructed for a troll, so you obviously can type. +5

Overall grade (-8-10+5/10)

-13/10

Gaelan Lionhardt
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2009.09.29 13:30:00 - [69]
 

Quote:
"soulwynd writes: It's a scam playground. Whoever has paid longer will always have better skills than who hasn't. "

That is one of EVEs selling points but skillpoints do not make you good at the game, they only define what you can do ingame which rises exponentially as time expires as you would excpect from anything in life.

Quote:
"moo writes: What the game needs is a SP cap like SWG where you can only train so many skills at the same time and if you want to learn something new and hit the cap then you have to drop skills and train new things. Obviously this will mean skill train times to drop and things to be changed with the current skill system to suit but this is needed as the current system rewards veterans too much and harms new players. The only thing that should really be the difference of new players and veterans is experience with the game."


Obviously this person doesnt understand EVE and is seeking to change it into something its not, maybe something thats more like all the other MMORPGs out there. But lets face it who needs another one of them

Quote:
"CA writes: In three tries I have never had any interaction with other players other than being attacked by veterans because I was a ďnoob.Ē Yea, like I want to pay money to be creamed by a bunch of schoolyard bullies who live in mom and dadís basement playing with their spaceships all day."


The mentality of this person is wrong and its not hard to imagine that he doesnt fit in with the playerbase judging by the end of his statement.

Quote:
"JohnF writes: In reading the comments, it seems EVE is a game for elitists. These are the same people that though incredibly smart and will probably build your next iPhone; they feel awkward in real life and have retreated to an online universe where they have the illusion of power. This is the reason any criticism of the game in this forum is greeted with derision and personal insults."


Speculative, EVE attracts intelligent individuals because you need to be intelligent to appreciate EVE for what it is.

Quote:
"Eve Gamer posts: Itís literally full of power trip no lifers who do nothing but play internet spaceships and simply can not see how stupid the whole thing is. Posting endless ďyouíre stupid and iím so smartĒ comments places like this.. really guys, if youíre so damn smart why are you wasting your lives like you are? Bottom line, this game isnít that popular and itís not because weíre all stupid. Wow is incredibly popular and most eve players will tell you that wow is childish, cartoony rubbish that only stupid people play. Hereís the truth, eve is an intersting concept, but it IS deeply flawed and it IS extremly slow and boring 99% of the time. The 1% when itís interesting, itís very intersting, but reallyÖ is it worth it?"


Anybody who posts anything on the internet with the statement "Wasting you're lives" is obviously not to be taken seriously but for arguments sake...
EVE takes intelligence its not hard therefore to imagine that it weeds out many average gamers.

Looking back over the above comments its plain to see by the language used that the people who posted these things, are of low intelligence, plain to see by the childish insults thrown around.
To the OP if you want to be taken seriously find an actual review that states EVE as a bad game, then intelligently gives reasons and not a couple of your friends from the pub.

Continued in five minutes to deal with the illogical part of the OP that was actually posted by the OP, and not the parts that were copy and pasted by annonymous people nobody really cares about.

Gaelan Lionhardt
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2009.09.29 13:37:00 - [70]
 

Quote:
CCP, stop putting things in my Inbox. Your game does not appeal to me any longer, until you DRASTICALLY change it. I do not drink the skill-points-over-time kool-aid. Done with your pyramid. Done with your veterans. Done playing with "elitists" who actually get to back up their claims of awesomeness with "purchased" skill points.


Delete your character you absolute inadvertant spacktard, YOUR character, YOU created is taking up space on THERE database, id say this at least gives them the right to use up a little bit of your inbox.

Not only that but whining on forums will not achieve anything other than CCP laughing at you and anything you post along with the rest of the playerbase... petition it

Quote:
Every time you put mail in my Inbox, I will: 1) Come here and post negative comments about the game, indicating what needs to be changed before I will play. 2) Support blogs that report EVE as a negative game that rewards elitism and pyramid-esque power-for-money. 3) Post on my own blog an article outlining reasons that EVE is inferior to upcoming sci-fi MMOs in concept and execution. Thank you. It was a fun 12 months. The other months? Borefest.


Wow... just wow

Zurrar
Posted - 2009.09.29 13:50:00 - [71]
 

one time, in vale, i fought 3 noobs in ruptures and a ares in my eos, and i totally slaughtered them...

in eve you pick your fights... you cant go against a 3 year old toon with a week old toon in ANY GAME

so stow it and get back to wow

Tellenta
Gallente
versic LLC
Posted - 2009.09.29 13:59:00 - [72]
 

If eve was a pyramid scheme I should be making money by now. But then again this is a troll thread, so whatever. Unless OP is serious, then he should have looked up the words he was using before hitting post.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.09.29 14:14:00 - [73]
 

Quick Praleon, start as many whine threads as you can before your 24h reactivation timer is over.

FlyinS
Caldari
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Posted - 2009.09.29 14:50:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Praleon
EVE has no "Actual" cap, but you'll need 6-12 months (as quoted on this thread) of PURE COMBAT TRAINING in order to be cogently useful in PVP



This is where I feel you're greatly mistaken and unfortunately in my eyes that invalidates the rest of your post.

Metalcali
Posted - 2009.09.29 14:53:00 - [75]
 

I've done this thing called a job in my real life, and been there for several years, where is my increased revenue, power over others, perks, and so on? Oh that's right, some things in life have a requirement! Just like EVE, you need to have a job, skill up in said job to increase the desired output from the skills, possibly cross over into a different job to broaden your income and horizons, and be dedicated. Seeing as this is also a game, some people entered this job market sooner than others, just like your real life job unless you think you should be the boss because you pay for gas to get to work everyday Rolling Eyes , and as a result would have more knowledge and things than you, not to mention you pay the subscription for the service that CCP gives in keeping this game operational Wink

Verloc Nostromo
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2009.09.29 15:04:00 - [76]
 

Edited by: Verloc Nostromo on 29/09/2009 15:04:15
Originally by: Praleon

By the way, I regenerate if you don't kill me with fire.



Are all you guys seriously responding this much to a guy who has told you flat out he is a troll?
I give a 10/10 for a very successful troll, congratulations Praleon. Have 1 internets on me.

Gsptlsnz
Posted - 2009.09.29 15:12:00 - [77]
 

Edited by: Gsptlsnz on 29/09/2009 15:14:02
It would seem EvE players are too quick to "shoot the messenger".

OP made some valid points. They don't become less true because you don't like his style, or disagree with other things he said.

The Skill Points comment is perfectly true. Like a lot of MMO's EvE blindly followed the style of singleplayer PC games: you start out weak, bash some bad guys, get stronger, bash bigger bad guys. This is ok if everyone starts out together (oen and paper D&D), or it's one player vs a computer. Being SP-based is a little different to XP based, and has some real advantages But it's not perfect.

MMO games are persistent, so an "endless stairway" model provides an advantage to "older" players. Those of you with 50 million SP may set aside your intelligence and deny this of course, but that won't affect the facts.

Until CCP wake up and rethink the game (including tuning the skill system) EvE will continue to be online gaming's Scientology.

Altie McName
Posted - 2009.09.29 15:57:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Gsptlsnz
Edited by: Gsptlsnz on 29/09/2009 15:14:02
It would seem EvE players are too quick to "shoot the messenger".

OP made some valid points. They don't become less true because you don't like his style, or disagree with other things he said.

The Skill Points comment is perfectly true. Like a lot of MMO's EvE blindly followed the style of singleplayer PC games: you start out weak, bash some bad guys, get stronger, bash bigger bad guys. This is ok if everyone starts out together (oen and paper D&D), or it's one player vs a computer. Being SP-based is a little different to XP based, and has some real advantages But it's not perfect.

MMO games are persistent, so an "endless stairway" model provides an advantage to "older" players. Those of you with 50 million SP may set aside your intelligence and deny this of course, but that won't affect the facts.

Until CCP wake up and rethink the game (including tuning the skill system) EvE will continue to be online gaming's Scientology.

Yeah, because actually being some of the lucky people who started this game when it was out are ripping off those who started yesterday. So by going to college after high school, getting a phd in medicine, and then creating a cure for cancer, while someone younger than you went to college obviously after you with the same goal and dreams, does this mean the first person must be a part of this scheme because he just happened to achieve this goal first? This is the life that you go through in EVE. You are born later then someone else, you are a child to the teenagers and adults of EVE and just have to accept this is the system of the game. You can always biomass and delete you client if you feel so upset by this concept though.

Gsptlsnz
Posted - 2009.09.29 16:07:00 - [79]
 

Edited by: Gsptlsnz on 29/09/2009 16:09:38
Why use a "Strawman" argument in writing? It only works in spoken debates, and even then only in special cases.

Denial is a great comfort for the weak-minded, but it does not change the facts.

Erinyes Nazgul
Posted - 2009.09.29 16:47:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Praleon

For the purposes of this exposition, I am defining a pyramid scheme as something that highly rewards people based more on money than on "skill".


Sounds like real life. Rolling Eyes

Altie McName
Posted - 2009.09.29 17:02:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Gsptlsnz
Denial is a great comfort for the weak-minded, but it does not change the facts.

At least you're accepting that you know there are facts, despite not accepting them Wink

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2009.09.29 17:05:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Gsptlsnz

The Skill Points comment is perfectly true. Like a lot of MMO's EvE blindly followed the style of singleplayer PC games: you start out weak, bash some bad guys, get stronger, bash bigger bad guys. This is ok if everyone starts out together (oen and paper D&D), or it's one player vs a computer. Being SP-based is a little different to XP based, and has some real advantages But it's not perfect.


EVE's skill system is fundamentally far superior to XP-based games, however - at least for the people who detest the endless 'grind' other MMOs possess. Ironically, the skill system is one of the two things which drove me to EVE - the other being PVP which has actual consequences and which you can profit off directly.

I've played WOW for 6 months prior to that - and I hated the grind to level system, and the PVP was very meh. Grind-based MMOs make me unsubscribe in disgust eventually.

Furthermore, the advancement curve is less steep then other MMOs, where higher level characters are granted de-facto invulnerability to lower level characters in any amount, which is a system which is not only flat out unbelievable but also horribly broken.

Coupled with the ship class system, it insures that newer players don't need to wait that long to get that fighting chance even one on one, provided they use a ship class which doesn't take that long to skill for well (obviously, battleships are not one of these).

Furthermore, the fact that a one-day old player can in fact tackle that 4-year old player in a carrier, and that a three week old player can in fact render a, eg. Bellum in a max skilled/implanted blasterthron completely impotent in something which costs a fraction of the price, regardless of the massive SP difference, is what makes EVE not only beautiful but also makes it far better on newbies who actually are not scared of trying PVP.

Saarjuk Khan
Caldari
Danke fuer den Fisch
Posted - 2009.09.29 17:17:00 - [83]
 

Edited by: Saarjuk Khan on 29/09/2009 17:18:23
I rather have the choice to gain skills, wether i'm online or not instead of having to sit in front of the screen and whack some mobs over and over. i could take a year break and still would benefit from the skill system as it is. Compared to other MMOs its even more fair because everyone gets the same ammount of skillpoints (assuming you have the learning skills maxed). In every other game those who sit infront of their screens 24/7 gain advantages because they level faster.

If i dont feel like playing EVE i hit a long term skill and take a week off or 2. When im back, my char got stronger and i did'nt have to lift a finger for it.

Taking a break in WoW or LOTRO is always combined with loosing my raid, falling behind equipmentwise etc etc.



MirrorGod
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.09.29 17:28:00 - [84]
 

@ Op: room full of people who care.jpg

Originally by: Intense Thinker
Edited by: Intense Thinker on 29/09/2009 02:23:04
Edited by: Intense Thinker on 29/09/2009 02:20:55
Ok, read the whine...

JohnF is wrong though... I spend my weekends in my favorite goth/industrial clubs and have no problems fitting in with people and kissing girls on the mouth Cool


Seems to be a popular game for the scene, lets not forget CCP's naughty goth party a few years back. I used to hit up the clubs too, lately I play alot less, steady girlfriend and college so when i log on it's to steal **** from corps I've infiltrated and actually, been killing alot of faction BS lately ^_^.

@ Op again: Agreeing that I spend 4 hours doing it but fck you buddy. GB2WoW

Nicole KholdStare
Gallente
Northstar Syndicate
Posted - 2009.09.29 17:28:00 - [85]
 

Yeah God forbid you are better at something because you sank years of your time into it. Go back to your xbox. Seriously.

Altie McName
Posted - 2009.09.29 18:09:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: MirrorGod
@ Op: room full of people who care.jpg

Originally by: Intense Thinker
Edited by: Intense Thinker on 29/09/2009 02:23:04
Edited by: Intense Thinker on 29/09/2009 02:20:55
Ok, read the whine...

JohnF is wrong though... I spend my weekends in my favorite goth/industrial clubs and have no problems fitting in with people and kissing girls on the mouth Cool


Seems to be a popular game for the scene, lets not forget CCP's naughty goth party a few years back. I used to hit up the clubs too, lately I play alot less, steady girlfriend and college so when i log on it's to steal **** from corps I've infiltrated and actually, been killing alot of faction BS lately ^_^.

@ Op again: Agreeing that I spend 4 hours doing it but fck you buddy. GB2WoW

This gives reason why the minmatar seibestor women are the best looking by far Wink

Tameris Khan
Posted - 2009.09.29 18:13:00 - [87]
 

tldr : OP is still butthurt he lacks player skills

l2p or gtfo

Marcus Atntony
The Element Syndicate
Posted - 2009.09.29 18:18:00 - [88]
 

1) Come here and post negative comments about the game, indicating what needs to be changed before I will play.
ArrowEver consider that maybe the whole of eve doesn't want your ******ed ass back, stay on single-player please. :D
2) Support blogs that report EVE as a negative game that rewards elitism and pyramid-esque power-for-money.
ArrowOne; you used most of the terms poorly, please read more or get more education.
Two; Hell yeah eve is an elitist, capitalist system through and through. Thats what makes it great. Dont like that, then dont play it. Dont go talk **** about it becuase you suck at.
3) Post on my own blog an article outlining reasons that EVE is inferior to upcoming sci-fi MMOs in concept and execution.
Arrow HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA please name one MMO thats really like EvE and has a major development company actively working on it...... yeah not happening.

Bklyn 1
Posted - 2009.09.29 18:21:00 - [89]
 

There's a fine line between love and hate.

I never really believed this quote to be true prior to reading the op.

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2009.09.29 18:22:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
*buys Zeba pizza*



You know if it's guys like him that were in the gallente millitia, no wonder they lost FW.


hey i was in the GM , you cant just put the fail on one man. I fail to Very Happy


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