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Serpents smile
Posted - 2009.09.29 04:00:00 - [31]
 

Jebus, if you hate it so much just ad cpp to your mail's spam filter and be done with it.
Eve is clearly not for you.


Amitious Turkey
Gallente
TarNec
Posted - 2009.09.29 04:01:00 - [32]
 

I had a post but I accidentally clicked "cancel" and I don't feel like retyping it.

By the way...can I have your stuff?

Praleon
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.09.29 04:12:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Amitious Turkey
I had a post but I accidentally clicked "cancel" and I don't feel like retyping it.

By the way...can I have your stuff?


I've just split my stuff amongst everyone in this thread asking for it. There'd be more, but I had to pay for eve time with a couple hundred million.

I think I split it 5 ways... I didn't take the time to liquidate all of my assets...

Meh, tell the naysayers to screw off, asking for someone's stuff pays off a couple battleships sometimes ;).

Enjoy!

Anhur Shu
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2009.09.29 04:27:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Anhur Shu on 29/09/2009 04:28:47
Wow, those are some pretty credible sources you have quoted there. I will, however comment on them.

soulwynd - of course, that's kinda the whole point...no "levels" to cap out. Also has apparently never really played, cause it's not the number of SP that decides a victor in a fight or how well you mine, it's actual skill and knowledge of how to USE those SP...something other MMOs could really care less about

moo - see above...also LOL at faster train times. Yep, we here in the EVE community want a server full of nothin but Dreads and Titans flyin around

CA - /facepalm...quit shootin at the damn canflippers, and try talkin to people...I know it's kinda hard tho

writer at EVE Gamer - he's actually right about one thing....EVE isn't as popular as WoW because it actually DOES take some intelligence to be good at what you do here. Again, see above....there is no "look at me I'm level 80, and I have all the best gear cause it didn't really take much effort to get, and PvP is really great because I can use that gear in BATTLEGROUNDS, and never have to worry about losing it......EVER!" We here at EVE don't want the game watered down, making it soo easy a caveman could fly a titan.

and no, I don't want your stuff.

Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
Posted - 2009.09.29 04:31:00 - [35]
 

I would like to take this opportunity to mention that my main lost a Battleship in a rather public and embarassing event conveyed through this character just yesterday.

If you send one to this guy, I'd name it Praleon, and only fly it when i'm very drunk.

Amitious Turkey
Gallente
TarNec
Posted - 2009.09.29 05:00:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Praleon
Originally by: Amitious Turkey
I had a post but I accidentally clicked "cancel" and I don't feel like retyping it.

By the way...can I have your stuff?


I've just split my stuff amongst everyone in this thread asking for it. There'd be more, but I had to pay for eve time with a couple hundred million.

I think I split it 5 ways... I didn't take the time to liquidate all of my assets...

Meh, tell the naysayers to screw off, asking for someone's stuff pays off a couple battleships sometimes ;).

Enjoy!


Razz

Ard UnjiiGo
Meatshield Bastards
Posted - 2009.09.29 05:13:00 - [37]
 

WTS: Clue for Praleon on what a Pyramid Scam is.

GD - Imagine if Praleon actually had spent his considerable energy during this 24 hour period actually playing the game instead of playing the forums with willful ignorance.


Serge Bastana
Gallente
GWA Corp
Posted - 2009.09.29 05:26:00 - [38]
 

Use of locater agents may have gone up?

Kolatha
Posted - 2009.09.29 05:32:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Kolatha on 29/09/2009 05:49:04

Edited by: Kolatha on 29/09/2009 05:35:56
Originally by: Praleon

How is that different from other MMOs?
By scale, primarily. Other MMOs have a very easy to reach "cap"... after which, improvement slows down tremendously. The industry standard for this is 2-3 months. EVE has no "Actual" cap, but you'll need 6-12 months (as quoted on this thread) of PURE COMBAT TRAINING in order to be cogently useful in PVP (outside of constructing your own micro-battles via venues such as a Red vs Blue corporation).


It may be a 2-3 month grind to get to the "end-game" content in other MMOs that adhere to this so called "industry standard", but that in no way guarantees you access to the end game content. Take your clearly beloved WoW, once you get up to level 80, or whatever the cap is now, you are still not really able to compete because of the way the end game content is structured and doled out.

You first have to find a raiding guild willing to take in someone who has been playing for only 2-3 months. And then you are pretty much at the mercy of those who have been playing the longest, exactly what you are complaining about with EVE. It is doubtful a raiding guild will let a player of merely 2 months roll on top tier goodies even if they do let you into the raid in the first place.

More likely than not you won't get any real access to that top level content until you have spent months grinding away at lower level content to get all the lower tier loot (armour and weapons) required to even start on the end game content. Good luck being allowed access to the good stuff until you have been grinding away for a good 6 to 12 months doing the same content over and over and over.

The only people that really benefit from a 2-3 month grind to the top are older players starting a new character.

This is where EVE excels. Access to any perceived "end game" is purely at the mercy of a timer rather than the rectally over-endowed, two-bit, tin-pot dictators who typically run high end guilds in other games.

Yalezorn
Gallente
Posted - 2009.09.29 05:46:00 - [40]
 

Veteran players have more skill points than newer ones, but that doesn't mean anything in in-game interactions. Each player can only do one thing at a time. It doesn't matter if you have all 4 racial battleship skills and all the weapon skills at level 5 if you're attacking me in an armageddon using lasers. All those skill points that make you a great megathron or typhoon pilot are meaningless during this fight.

The only thing veterans have on everyone else is they have more options. And even that, in each specific situation, is meaningless, because you're still limited to one thing at any given time.

Emil Erlenmeyer
Posted - 2009.09.29 05:48:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Praleon
Sensible just isn't cut-throat enough for me. You garner my attention on a sick-day, you get owned.

By the way, I regenerate if you don't kill me with fire.
Who got owned?
Looks to me like you're the one wasting your time on a forum for a game you don't like.

Digital Solaris
Posted - 2009.09.29 05:55:00 - [42]
 

Still, I think it is great that he actually took the time to log onto the forums, rage a bit before he runs for the hills screaming, holding his rear as sizzling pain started to arise from his bottocks. Like being on fire.


Nykky Syxx
Posted - 2009.09.29 06:24:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Praleon


~words~

1) Come here and post negative comments about the game, indicating what needs to be changed before I will play. We don't care if you come back. Frankly, we hope you don't.
2) Support blogs that report EVE as a negative game that rewards elitism and pyramid-esque power-for-money. You know what they say, even bad press is good press.
3) Post on my own blog an article outlining reasons that EVE is inferior to upcoming sci-fi MMOs in concept and execution. I'm sure your mom will be proud of you when she's done reading it (but i doubt she will).



WoW is Arrow. Go back to it. You're better off there.

Evelko
Posted - 2009.09.29 06:28:00 - [44]
 

Man, this is what it must be like to be stupid and stubborn at the same time. I sympathize, Praleon, I really do that a game you so despise sends you a 5-day reactivations invite and you then spend hours whining and trolling on its forums about how it sucks. Normal person would delete the email and go play games that he likes, but not you, you have an inferiority complex over this game that never quite healed, did it?


Robert0288
Caldari
R E D E M P T I O N
Black Star Alliance
Posted - 2009.09.29 06:34:00 - [45]
 

Quote:
CCP, stop putting things in my Inbox.


I hear such mythical things such as a junk mail folder, the block button and delete command all exist on e-mail.Rolling Eyes

Though I could be wrong ugh

Lady Dhalia
Posted - 2009.09.29 06:54:00 - [46]
 

I thought that the fun was to pay until your wallet hurts, then one day when you finally achieve the level of "elitism", you get to pay "all the wrong they did to you", back at the n00bz?

And I don't buy this you are wasting your life stuff... as I see it EVE is about the only game that has longevity in it. Compered to WoW where you just play your character among others, in EVE you can actually have effect on the stuff that happens to other people that are playing, they are real people you know, thus it actually is connected to the real world! So EVE is lot more connected to the real world than something like WoW. So basically playing WoW is actually waste of your time = cheap amusement with no obstacles and no real achievements.

Playing in general can be regarded as a waste of ones life, but that is a totally different subject to discuss.

YARRRR!!
D

Kweel Nakashyn
shadow and cloaking
Yggdrasill.
Posted - 2009.09.29 06:56:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Ticarus Hellbrandt
can i haz your stuff

Damn it

OwlManAtt
Gallente
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2009.09.29 07:13:00 - [48]
 

Quote:
CCP, stop putting things in my Inbox.
For your reference, all promotional emails sent have this blurb with an unsubscribe link at the very bottom:

Quote:
If you wish to stop receiving future mailings from EVE online then please follow this link: Unsubscribe


You'll find much more success in stopping the emails by following the unsubscribe link than posting in General Discussion. Smile

Regards!

Securitas Protector
The Concordiat
Concordiat Alliance
Posted - 2009.09.29 07:14:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Intense Thinker
Edited by: Intense Thinker on 29/09/2009 02:23:04
Edited by: Intense Thinker on 29/09/2009 02:20:55
...and kissing girls on the mouth Cool


Eww, why would you waste your weekend doing that?! Obviously you're a sad little video game player who cares nothing about anything else.

Doomed Predator
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.09.29 07:37:00 - [50]
 

poor and obvious troll 1/10

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.09.29 10:33:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Gsptlsnz
OP explained the majority view of EvE accurately.

What he didn't explore is the consequence: EvE attracts and holds exactly the kind of player that likes the game. EvE players may be the sewer rats of online gaming, but they've worked hard to achieve this, and they're proud to be alone at the bottom of the heap.


This is deliciously true. We're not just arrogant, venal, untrustworthy, lying, scamming, murderous, elitist scum, we're the most arrogant, venal, untrustworthy, lying, scamming, murderous, elitist scum. I'm pleased, privileged and proud to be playing alongside them and I hope I will be doing so for many more years yet.

Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
Posted - 2009.09.29 10:38:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Praleon
you'll need 6-12 months (as quoted on this thread) of PURE COMBAT TRAINING in order to be cogently useful in PVP
And that's when I knew the OP was clueless.

Washell Olivaw
Posted - 2009.09.29 10:57:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Praleon
EVE has no "Actual" cap, but you'll need 6-12 months (as quoted on this thread) of PURE COMBAT TRAINING in order to be cogently useful in PVP (outside of constructing your own micro-battles via venues such as a Red vs Blue corporation).


What I (intended) to say was: you need 6 to 12 months of pure combat training to compete with anyone else on the subcapital battlefield in a 1v1 on an equal footing. At 12 to 24 months you are capped out of relevant skills to train for that (line of) ships and you'll be outperforming most of the veterans, who prefer to diversify rather than sink months into level 5's for a mere 2% dmg bonus. When it comes to industry, there's not really any way around that other than buying a char of the bazaar. When it comes to combat, you can easily beat the SP system by teaming up with other players.

Yes, EVE characters develop slower than average in MMO industry. But on the flipside, they also develop when a busy RL schedule temporarily bans you from playing. Who doesn't know the story or the experience that all your level mates are 5 to 10 levels on, leaving you to find a new set or try to catch up solo.

Second, a level 10 regular mmo player is completely useless in a level 30 raid or endgame pvp. No matter how many of them there are. A day one EVE player can be fitted with a warp disruptor and play a pivotal role in PvP.

Prt Scr
Posted - 2009.09.29 11:04:00 - [54]
 

Darwin was right, the OP shows sure signs of evolution in action. He must be a virgin and doomed to remain one the rest of his pityful life.

Colonel Xaven
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2009.09.29 11:16:00 - [55]
 

Ok people, stop wasting tears and read this:

Originally by: GAdm Tyrael
Alright... This is about 2-week old toon, I however been playing since the MC paintrain to the north, due to complications I've lost my original character and thus I'm forced to restart.
In these weeks so far I've managed to get to around 1.8mill sp in learning skills with the help of the remap, toons now start with. Which I can tell you confidently I a two week old toon have more learning skills then most veterans, who've been around for years.
Now you may look at this as a poor arguement, but follow me here...
Give me another two weeks, and I'll have better t2 med drone skills then most...
Not following me here? Give me a month, I'll be killing countless in a thorax...
When you see veterans telling you to specialize, this is what they mean, It took me to loose an old character to see that. I do not need to fly frigates, I dun need to fly battleships, I'll fly the ships I love and nothing else. As sp can only increase a ships strength by so much before that ship is at its peak and the only thing that can increase the effectiveness of said ships are the modules you fit on it, and of course yourself. After that your pouring sp into whatever else suits your fancy.

Older players only have more stuff to use, effectively? is another matter. I know people who have countless sp in all sorts of things, but prefer to fly only a couple of ships, kinda makes you thing why did you even put skills into that other stuff then? Well again it wasn't until I lost my old character that I see this now, trial and error I guess, and take note to the people who say to specialize, theirs more truth in it then you know.


Look here, people. A real EVE player - the smart type. Now save the kittens and stop whining.

Klauz Lycan
Posted - 2009.09.29 11:17:00 - [56]
 

im a new player to eve. (2.5 mil SP) and i think this post has many points. first its true that this game is full of "elitists" who think they are better than anyone, because they "mastered" to play a game what is thought of to have one of the difficult learning curves out there. it is a sandbox game and you can do what you want. thats what they say. but thats not quite right for me. let me explain. ive played numeros MMOs and eve is by far the most confusing in the beginning. after some weeks and with the help of a good corp you still get pretty fast the clue whats going on. but here comes in count what the OP already said. you need time and if you are vet you are very very much ahead of someone who started to play. so eve is a pvp game in any meaning. trading, mining and the space combat is most of the time pvp. i havnt seen much of the pve content, but what i ve seen is boring. (missions, high sec mining, plexes) so it comes down to pvp space combat. and there it gets pretty frustrating for a new player. they say go get a frig, try to join a fleet and tackle etc. ok i did that and its fun for a while. but if i think about pvp i mainly have 1vs1 in mind.
because i think thats where the most fun is. one mind vs another. i always though MMO pvp is like a chess game just much faster ( dont talk bout shooters here) im a real competitive person/player. online and offline. and im always on for a challange.
and then i learned how eve pvp is. its simply not fair. expecialy for new players. its not like UO, AO, WAR or WoW pvp. its not fair at all. all the games i listed are also not very fair if you compair it to chess, BUT you always had a chance to beat a vet player if they were stupid enough.
i know you will say: HEY YOU CAN DO THAT HERE TOO. but you cant. you need lots of time to archieve at least some SP to have a chance at all. fE im training right now thermodynamics which takes some days. while im training my pvp skills, i cant go out there because everywhere i go and try to get some decent fights you will find vet players you dont stand a chance against.
so its simple not a game to log in and have some fun from the start. so to complete the circle its a game for elitists who can think that they actually archieved something by just paying along for some month. in the end you all have to admit that this is game. nothing more. but this game is simply full of ppl who really think they did something in their lives by having super internet ships and holding space for a long time. i dont care what you do with your time but guys like that making it hard for new players.

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2009.09.29 11:22:00 - [57]
 

Wow Praleon, you seems to have some serious personal issues you need to talk with your shrink about. And you better do that now, can't wait until tomorrow.

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2009.09.29 11:23:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 29/09/2009 11:24:03
Originally by: Klauz Lycan
im a new player to eve. (2.5 mil SP) and i think this post has many points. first its true that this game is full of "elitists" who think they are better than anyone, because they "mastered" to play a game what is thought of to have one of the difficult learning curves out there. it is a sandbox game and you can do what you want. thats what they say. but thats not quite right for me. let me explain. ive played numeros MMOs and eve is by far the most confusing in the beginning. after some weeks and with the help of a good corp you still get pretty fast the clue whats going on. but here comes in count what the OP already said. you need time and if you are vet you are very very much ahead of someone who started to play. so eve is a pvp game in any meaning. trading, mining and the space combat is most of the time pvp. i havnt seen much of the pve content, but what i ve seen is boring. (missions, high sec mining, plexes) so it comes down to pvp space combat. and there it gets pretty frustrating for a new player. they say go get a frig, try to join a fleet and tackle etc. ok i did that and its fun for a while. but if i think about pvp i mainly have 1vs1 in mind.
because i think thats where the most fun is. one mind vs another. i always though MMO pvp is like a chess game just much faster ( dont talk bout shooters here) im a real competitive person/player. online and offline. and im always on for a challange.
and then i learned how eve pvp is. its simply not fair. expecialy for new players. its not like UO, AO, WAR or WoW pvp. its not fair at all. all the games i listed are also not very fair if you compair it to chess, BUT you always had a chance to beat a vet player if they were stupid enough.
i know you will say: HEY YOU CAN DO THAT HERE TOO. but you cant. you need lots of time to archieve at least some SP to have a chance at all. fE im training right now thermodynamics which takes some days. while im training my pvp skills, i cant go out there because everywhere i go and try to get some decent fights you will find vet players you dont stand a chance against.
so its simple not a game to log in and have some fun from the start. so to complete the circle its a game for elitists who can think that they actually archieved something by just paying along for some month. in the end you all have to admit that this is game. nothing more. but this game is simply full of ppl who really think they did something in their lives by having super internet ships and holding space for a long time. i dont care what you do with your time but guys like that making it hard for new players.


I know you hate proper grammar, but that doesn't mean you should post evidence of the actual ****ing of it on a public forum.

PS. No I didn't read it. From experience I can tell you, that people who type like that tend to not say anything of real value.

Mikayla Grey
Gallente
Posted - 2009.09.29 11:38:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Mikayla Grey on 29/09/2009 11:38:21
Originally by: Praleon
Every time you put mail in my Inbox, I will:
1) Come here and post negative comments about the game, indicating what needs to be changed before I will play.
2) Support blogs that report EVE as a negative game that rewards elitism and pyramid-esque power-for-money.
3) Post on my own blog an article outlining reasons that EVE is inferior to upcoming sci-fi MMOs in concept and execution.



Ohh CCP is shaking in their boots now. Rolling Eyes
What can they do to stop the blog.

Just leave already and delete your account.

Ghoest
Posted - 2009.09.29 11:55:00 - [60]
 

Can you contract me the assets you didnt liquidate?


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