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Topic |
Estel Arador |
Posted - 2009.11.06 21:37:00 - [ 211]
 Originally by: Valrandir
Awesome™
I could also be that I am training skills from III to IV.
Of course, but I do hope I'm quicker with gaining skills at III than you are losing them to IV  At the time I posted I had just finished a skill to III, was just one ahead of you in number of skills at III and you were 0.1 point short of the #1 position in the total ranking; I just thought it was fun  |
Ravenal
The Fated
E.Y |
Posted - 2009.11.07 00:41:00 - [ 212]
I still think people shouldn't be punished too harshly for having "no data" in categories like level 3 or even level 4 skills. People start out with those skills or get them very quickly. Not sure what the penalty for those categories is atm... but considering for example Drachir that only has lvl4 and lvl5 skills... you should def not be penalized for wanting to train all skills to level 5.
If you only have a small subset of all skills anyway at lvl5 you are scoring badly in the categories of skills you don't have ... so you wouldn't be stealing any global ranks based only on the no data ranks in lvl3 or lvl4 skills. |
Valrandir
Gallente
Distant Thunder
Perihelion Alliance |
Posted - 2009.11.07 03:50:00 - [ 213]
Originally by: Ravenal
I still think people shouldn't be punished too harshly for having "no data" in categories like level 3 or even level 4 skills. People start out with those skills or get them very quickly. Not sure what the penalty for those categories is atm... but considering for example Drachir that only has lvl4 and lvl5 skills... you should def not be penalized for wanting to train all skills to level 5.
If you only have a small subset of all skills anyway at lvl5 you are scoring badly in the categories of skills you don't have ... so you wouldn't be stealing any global ranks based only on the no data ranks in lvl3 or lvl4 skills.
Agree We should not have to keep one skill at 0, one at 1, one at 2, just to get listed in the category. |
RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement |
Posted - 2009.11.07 07:58:00 - [ 214]
a skill @ 0 is no skill at all....
so yes I agree |
Drahcir Nasom
Independent Manufacturers
Independent Manufacturers Alliance |
Posted - 2009.11.07 08:54:00 - [ 215]
I'm not overly concerned about the global ranking, it hasn't diverted me from my personal goals which are currently 50% of available skills @ lvl 5 (should get this on Xmas eve) and 200 lvl 5 skills (24th Feb is target date for that).
I did think of a possibility for the rankings of skills numbers and cert numbers but it would take us back to the state we had with InEve where the older players like myself could never be overtaken. My idea was your ranking in lvl 5 is based on the number of lvl 5s, your ranking in lvl 4 is based on the number of lvl 4s + the number of lvl 5s, ranking for lvl 3 is based on number of lvl 3 + number of lvl 4 + number of lvl 5 etc. and the same with certs.
Drahcir |
Amateratsu
Caldari
The Pegasus Project
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Posted - 2009.11.07 10:13:00 - [ 216]
#skills by level are currently not counted in the global rankings for levels 0, 1, 2 as well as all the sp by level ranks.
the current penaltie for a no data rank is 1000 pts,
With nearly 2000 pilots now registered on eveboard having no data in say level 3 skills is actually better than having 1 or 2 skills at level 3 which would give you a score of nearly 2000 pts.
And that will only increase as more pilots join the site, so in some cases you are better off having no data.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire |
Posted - 2009.11.07 23:16:00 - [ 217]
Originally by: Amateratsu
I did wait 24 hrs to see if it corrected itself after viewing his sheet, thinking it was what you said before mentioning it.
He's now back at 85 again after you reset him? so maybe theres something a bit more involved going on there
Interesting yeah, it seems that his API export does contain multiple rows of the same certificate - dun ask me why, didn't think that was possible? So seems I have to review the code to remove any duplicates. |
Tychus |
Posted - 2009.11.09 17:56:00 - [ 218]
Edited by: Tychus on 09/11/2009 17:56:26
Well done, as usual.
GO Chribba!
And i'm #12. WOOT! Now, If only CCP would fix broken employment histories on old toons. Has anyone had any success with this?
T |
Contralto
Rift Tech |
Posted - 2009.11.11 20:10:00 - [ 219]
Is there a bug with the global attribute rankings? Some characters have attributes of 59 which isn't possible and doesn't reflect there personal data sheets. |
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire |
Posted - 2009.11.12 09:17:00 - [ 220]
Edited by: Chribba on 12/11/2009 09:31:42 Originally by: Contralto
Is there a bug with the global attribute rankings? Some characters have attributes of 59 which isn't possible and doesn't reflect there personal data sheets.
I have noticed that some sheets get added twice due to locked tables, that might be the case with the attributes as well, I will look into it and update as needed. Also if you have an example if you notice it again, pls link/state the name as it helps looking into the issue. /c update/I made some changes that might be a reason for the duplicate entries appearing, keep reporting odd values showing up, thanks. |
Loraen |
Posted - 2009.11.13 04:06:00 - [ 221]
Edited by: Loraen on 13/11/2009 05:46:25 Originally by: RaTTuS
a skill @ 0 is no skill at all....
so yes I agree
So how about the freak that has 144 skills injected but untrained?  That takes some planning, actually. All the way from the beginning, every skill you train up needs to lead to at least 1 new skill injection.. that character can also end up as the one with all skills with the lowest SP possible. Edit: Bored and geeky, I found out. The hard way is not training ANY Learning skills or Cybernetics. Remaps are used though. This gets you all skills with 229 injected, in about 8 years. Sacrifice 12 injected skills (cybernetics 1 for +3 implant set, basic learnings 5 & advanced learnings 4) and you finish in 3 years 9 months. |
RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement |
Posted - 2009.11.13 08:21:00 - [ 222]
:-P |
Valrandir
Gallente
Distant Thunder
Perihelion Alliance |
Posted - 2009.11.17 17:22:00 - [ 223]
Back to first place  |
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire |
Posted - 2009.11.25 14:23:00 - [ 224]
[eb] now runs on the Dominion database, please report any errors you encounter.
Some images (in the ship section) is currently not displaying properly as the Dominion image dumps are yet not available.
/c |
Crime Zero
Mega Builders |
Posted - 2009.11.26 13:34:00 - [ 225]
Originally by: Two step
I'd love to see the ability to see the rankings limited to just your corporation.
Absolutely brilliant site Chribba! Feature packed, and very quick to load! I'll never get to the top 10 in any of the global rankings so for me it would be really cool to select your own corp and see only their rankings as if nobody else existed. Great site! -Crime |
Drahcir Nasom
Independent Manufacturers
Independent Manufacturers Alliance |
Posted - 2009.11.29 12:14:00 - [ 226]
Edited by: Drahcir Nasom on 29/11/2009 13:22:22
Edited by: Drahcir Nasom on 29/11/2009 13:20:47
Chribba
I was playing around with some statistical figures (as one does when bored) and I wondered if a useful statistic might be the Standard Deviation of skillpoints by skill group. This would compare peoples total SP in each group with their average SP per group (total SP/16 skill groups). People who have specialised in one or two areas would get higher scores than those who had spread their training around and so produced a much broader (or less specialised) character. The lower the Standard Deviation, the less specialised the character. To normalise the figures (i.e. make it so it doesn't matter whether the char has high or low total SP), I'd express the Standard Deviation as a percentage of their total SP (I'm sure there's a name for this which some statistician can tell us). Here are some examples.
Me: Total SP: 124,295,230 Average SP/Group: 7,768,452
Highest SP for a group: 15,370,192 Lowest SP for a group: 2,470,825
Standard Deviation: 4,762,205 Normalised: 3.83%
DrC Total SP: 139,345,179 Average SP/Group: 8,709,074
Highest SP for a group: 53,646,331 Lowest SP for a group: 250
Standard Deviation: 13,493,149 Normalised : 9.68%
Valrandir Total SP: 106,652,227 Average SP/Group: 6,665,764
Highest SP for a group: 18,028,795 Lowest SP for a group: 572,550
Standard Deviation: 4,809,771 Normalised : 4.51%
Tripoli Total SP: 112,773,250 Average SP/Group: 7,048,328
Highest SP for a group: 28,164,466 Lowest SP for a group: 1,811,805
Standard Deviation: 6,110,537 Normalised : 5.42%
Before anyone comments, yes I did start out looking for another statistic I'd come top in, but then I did look very hard to see if I could find anyone to beat me in this stat. I do think it's quite an interesting way to see how specialised someone is though.
Drahcir
Edit: Corrected the error spotted by Viggen |
Viggen |
Posted - 2009.11.29 12:29:00 - [ 227]
Drahcir, in your example you have the SP Group figures mixed up for Valrandir and Tripoli, total skillpoints for each are correct though, and an interesting idea. |
Drahcir Nasom
Independent Manufacturers
Independent Manufacturers Alliance |
Posted - 2009.11.29 12:34:00 - [ 228]
Originally by: Viggen
Drahcir, in your example you have the SP Group figures mixed up for Valrandir and Tripoli, total skillpoints for each are correct though, and an interesting idea.
That's because I was manually copying them from the excel spreadsheet I'd used for the calculations. Drahcir |
My Postman |
Posted - 2009.12.03 14:34:00 - [ 229]
Anyway this fantastic tool needs a bump.
One question to the andvanced community. Since dominion is up eveboard shows wrong (old) sum of skillpoints. On the starting site it shows the correct skill i´m learning, ond another it shows the old (pre-dominion) skill.
Is this an API-thing? Can you enlight me what to do to get correct data?
Thanks in advance. |
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire |
Posted - 2009.12.03 14:46:00 - [ 230]
Originally by: My Postman
Anyway this fantastic tool needs a bump.
One question to the andvanced community. Since dominion is up eveboard shows wrong (old) sum of skillpoints. On the starting site it shows the correct skill i´m learning, ond another it shows the old (pre-dominion) skill.
Is this an API-thing? Can you enlight me what to do to get correct data?
Thanks in advance.
Huh? What do you mean? |
My Postman |
Posted - 2009.12.03 15:00:00 - [ 231]
Edited by: My Postman on 03/12/2009 15:01:12 Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: My Postman
Anyway this fantastic tool needs a bump.
One question to the andvanced community. Since dominion is up eveboard shows wrong (old) sum of skillpoints. On the starting site it shows the correct skill i´m learning, ond another it shows the old (pre-dominion) skill.
Is this an API-thing? Can you enlight me what to do to get correct data?
Thanks in advance.
Huh? What do you mean?
Wow the master himself  As i said before when i loged into the game this morning it did show me a different (higher) number of total skill points than your sheet does now (by about 400k less). On the "basic pilot information" it shows the right skill i´m learning, when you switch to "certificates" (for example) it tells the skill i learned pre-dominion. So cribs, no idea if its this api-thing? Unfortunatly i have to log off for a 4 hours or so (rl :))but when i log on again i´ll have a look again! Thanks! OMG the great cribs is handling my problem! Of course this is an Alt! |
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire |
Posted - 2009.12.03 15:18:00 - [ 232]
Edited by: Chribba on 03/12/2009 15:28:02 Originally by: My Postman
Wow the master himself
As i said before when i loged into the game this morning it did show me a different (higher) number of total skill points than your sheet does now (by about 400k less).
On the "basic pilot information" it shows the right skill i´m learning, when you switch to "certificates" (for example) it tells the skill i learned pre-dominion.
So cribs, no idea if its this api-thing? Unfortunatly i have to log off for a 4 hours or so (rl :))but when i log on again i´ll have a look again!
Thanks!
OMG the great cribs is handling my problem!
Of course this is an Alt!
I'll look into it to see if there's any calculation errors on my side (in terms of new skills etc). edit/By the looks of it, the API is not returning proper values, in-game I have about 100k more SP than the API returns. So there seem to be some export issues with the API, I will try find out more info but as soon as the API gets fixed [eb] will display correct upon the next update. /c |
Underbalance |
Posted - 2009.12.03 19:39:00 - [ 233]
Chribba, I have a problem.. I have about 65mil sp, but when I register myself on eveboard and eve-sheet as well, it only says I have 59mil sp and my skills ain't fully updated.. This is taken from eve online website - "my character" Charactername UnDeRBaLaNcE Corporation Brutor tribe Total skill points 65,113,454 But on eveboard it show this.. UnDeRBaLaNcE Corporation Brutor tribe Skill points 59,594,172 Here is a linkShould I petition it ingame, as ****ed api or? |
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire |
Posted - 2009.12.03 19:57:00 - [ 234]
Originally by: UnDeRBaLaNcE
Chribba, I have a problem..
I have about 65mil sp, but when I register myself on eveboard and eve-sheet as well, it only says I have 59mil sp and my skills ain't fully updated..
There seem to be a problem with the API at the moment, showing errorus skillpoints compared to in-game. At the moment I am not exactly sure what causes it, someone mentioned that it might have to do with partially trained skills causing the API to send the wrong values. Afaik CCP is aware of it (due to the number of threads made about it) and hopefully we will see the API showing correct values soon. As for your sheet on [eb] you don't need to do anything, once the API delivers the correct values - your sheet will be showing properly as well. /c |
Underbalance |
Posted - 2009.12.03 20:05:00 - [ 235]
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My Postman |
Posted - 2009.12.04 09:42:00 - [ 236]
Dear Chribba!
I see that you (and CCP) take notice of the problem. Here some further information for you, i also think that partially trained skills are some source of the problem too.
Just want to inform you that different tabs of your side shows different results in skillpoints and currently training as well.
The ingame check this morning gave my alt by about 6,8m skillpoints, changing the training from science lvl 5 (not finished), to learning lvl 5.
Eveboard shows following result 15min ago.
Tab Basic Pilot Info: 6,6m sp, currently learning "Learning lvl5".
Tab Certificates: 6,4m sp, currently learning science lvl 5, which was i learned yesterday, also after dominion.
Tab Blueprints: same result as Basic Pilot info.
Tab Ships: same result as Certificates
Tab Standings: same result as Certificates
Tab Pilot ranking: 6,5m sp, currently learning shield upgrades lvl 4, which i cant remember when i trained this, must be pre-dominion surely.
Just for your info, keep up the brilliant work.
Thanks! |
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire |
Posted - 2009.12.04 10:04:00 - [ 237]
Originally by: My Postman
Dear Chribba!
I see that you (and CCP) take notice of the problem. Here some further information for you, i also think that partially trained skills are some source of the problem too.
Just want to inform you that different tabs of your side shows different results in skillpoints and currently training as well.
The ingame check this morning gave my alt by about 6,8m skillpoints, changing the training from science lvl 5 (not finished), to learning lvl 5.
Eveboard shows following result 15min ago.
Tab Basic Pilot Info: 6,6m sp, currently learning "Learning lvl5".
Tab Certificates: 6,4m sp, currently learning science lvl 5, which was i learned yesterday, also after dominion.
Tab Blueprints: same result as Basic Pilot info.
Tab Ships: same result as Certificates
Tab Standings: same result as Certificates
Tab Pilot ranking: 6,5m sp, currently learning shield upgrades lvl 4, which i cant remember when i trained this, must be pre-dominion surely.
Just for your info, keep up the brilliant work.
Thanks!
Would you mind sending me a mail in-game with the name of your character so I can do some checks. I think it sounds like what you are seeing is different cached versions of the tabs - as I do not cache the info (or at least the option should be turned off on my side) thus I want to double-check with your character that this isn't the case. /c |
My Postman |
Posted - 2009.12.04 11:56:00 - [ 238]
Edited by: My Postman on 04/12/2009 11:59:14Dear Chribba! I´ll eve-mail you the in-game-char. Unfortunatley i won´t be able before evening as i´m working without beeing able to "ingame". Further i hope i won´t forget because í might be too drunk . Thanks! Edit: This does´nt mean i´m drinking at work. But what else doing on friday evenings?  |
Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp |
Posted - 2009.12.04 16:37:00 - [ 239]
I would like to see separate SP rankings for each bloodline. No need to make it part of the total ranking but some additional stats like the total SP per corp. |
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire |
Posted - 2009.12.05 10:46:00 - [ 240]
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
I would like to see separate SP rankings for each bloodline. No need to make it part of the total ranking but some additional stats like the total SP per corp.
Will add that to the ToDo list, won't be any major problem implementing that, only to figure out a good way to navigate/show it without causing a lot of confusion (but I have an idea how to do it already). /c |
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