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Swiftgaze
Elysium Trading Company
Posted - 2009.09.26 19:23:00 - [1]
 

...mineral prices are still dropping. Whats up there? Are the miner folks now messing their own business up instead of the macroers?

Havent macro miners been banned at all? Or are those people still selling their mineral reserves after .. hmm, 6 weeks?

Opinions, gentlemen?

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2009.09.26 19:25:00 - [2]
 

Not a load of big fights going on anymore since Kenny got kicked outta Delve, so the demand for mass-tritanium is dropping. This can be said for many of the minerals.

Ki'rin Talloth
Posted - 2009.09.26 19:27:00 - [3]
 

Macro'ers are back.

Swiftgaze
Elysium Trading Company
Posted - 2009.09.26 19:29:00 - [4]
 

Kenny? Delve? ... what? :P

Serge Bastana
Gallente
GWA Corp
Posted - 2009.09.26 19:31:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Serge Bastana on 26/09/2009 19:32:26
There is a much bigger picture to EvE than just the macroers affecting mineral prices. Huge alliances in 0.0 have not been engaging in the huge battles recently that resulted in new ships and equipment having to be built to fuel the war effort, and that is only one aspect of the game that will be affecting minerals at the moment.

Since everybody seems to be nap'd up in 0.0 I think it's just a case of waiting for Dominion to put the cat among the pigeons and see what that stire up.


Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2009.09.26 19:32:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Swiftgaze
Kenny? Delve? ... what? :P
Kenzoku (Formerly Band of Brothers) Got their hides lifted and thrown out of their space (Delve, 0.0) and during this time there was alot of spaceships being blown up that required minerals to replace, hence the prices for minerals being higher during the war. The mineral market is, infact, only just Stabilising.

Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
Posted - 2009.09.26 19:38:00 - [7]
 

Short answer: demand for end-products has dropped, thus there is less need for minerals. Continued large supply of minerals leads to a drop in mineral prices.

D3F4ULT
Gallente
Pegasus Mining Korp
Posted - 2009.09.27 15:02:00 - [8]
 

Supply and Demand.

Nothing else will change prices in the game's market. It's just how it works. =/

Korizan
Hysterically Unforgiving
Posted - 2009.09.27 15:46:00 - [9]
 

2 things.

One as others have said 0.0 is very quiet right now everyone is waiting on dominion.

Second normally new ships come out with the expansion spurring a buying spree as people stockpile minerals.
This expansion has no new ships so nobody is buying.

So long term don't expect minerals to rebound much before January and they are not expected to return there there previous inflated high levels.

As always this is just my opinion.

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2009.09.27 16:09:00 - [10]
 

As other people have noted, the nap-fest in 0.0 causes too few ships going kaboom meaning EVE is dying (might be a slight exaggeration there)!

The only thing holding mineral prices where they are is the insurance scam, otherwise they'd drop like a pile of bricks....

Unless Dominion actually DO manage to break up the nap-fest, the situation will continue.
The Chinese server is afaik in more or less the same (probably even worse) state with a completely static 0.0, no major fighting, and in general very little activity.....

Most of current 0.0 alliances are either carebears or gankers by nature, ie. either content by harvesting ISK from their areas (most/all of NC) or picking on anyone smaller (GS), with PL/AAA as possibly the only ones who actually dare go against someone larger than themselves for fun and fights...

EVE needs conflict and LOADS of it to function well....

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2009.09.27 20:10:00 - [11]
 

If there is one thing I noticed since Unholy Rage, it's the increase in officer NPC rats in the belts.

Before that, I never saw them.

It would also appear that not all macroers are gone, but dispersed. I know this because I find such special spawns, like Shadow Serpentis for example, wrecks just floating in belts un-looted. This is the second thing I have seen since UR and never before.

So one way to run a macro, it seems, is to spread it out and use intermittently. To kill a officer ship and leave it floating out there with loot was unheard of before.

Every time I check the owner of such wrecks, it's a one-man corp too. Furthermore, ALL of the wrecks are not looted either. They just go belt to belt popping rats, and that's it.


The macros are not gone entirely, but they are playing it smart, not all crowding one system. From my knowledge of how some bots work (no I don't use them, but I am a programmer and know how such automation routines are written), they constantly check local for players of ill repute and warp to a SS the moment one appears. This activity screams "BOT!" so the macros might be moving to high sec space to avoid having to do this.

But once again, before UR, I never saw belts full of wrecks that mods still in them, and never saw any officer wrecks at all, even with modules in them.

small chimp
Posted - 2009.09.27 21:07:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Korizan
2 things.


This expansion has no new ships so nobody is buying.




No new ships? How about the all navy dominixes and geddons?

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2009.09.27 22:02:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Korizan
2 things.

This expansion has no new ships so nobody is buying.



Someone forgot to read the dominion patch notes and all the new navy ships.

But those are the only 4 we know about, there could be moar!

McFly
Peanut Factory
Posted - 2009.09.27 22:41:00 - [14]
 

Combination of things...

1.) not much action in nullsec after the great war ended
2.) New expansion coming with new navy ships, the new fighter-bombers, and a probable increase in capital and super capital losses, so people are passively as opposed to aggressively stock piling
3.) Everyone's waiting for Fanfest, and subsequent releases of more information on SiSi to plan out new production and resource plans.

Dirty Wizard
Posted - 2009.09.28 03:07:00 - [15]
 

They're already back. Granted not in full force, but still returning in great numbers. They never really go away. The most CCP can do to them is delay their farming by banning their current accounts.

Plus I imagine these isk sellers laundered a good chunk of their money to reserve accounts.

Albert O'Balsam
Posted - 2009.09.28 08:55:00 - [16]
 

I was under the impression that most macro miners mine ice because its far easier to manage. Banning these accounts will surely have no effect on mineral prices. I for one was not expecting the mineral prices to be affected.

On the other hand I am seeing small price increases in the common 4 ice types.

Atherma
Gallente
Nex Exercitus
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.09.28 10:22:00 - [17]
 

Personally I would invest in minerals as heavily as possible. If the new patch does what the theories say then nullsec will be breaking up a bit and more unknown corps will spring out of the woodwork. Of course if I'm wrong, then everyone who invests in minerals right now would push the price up regardless.

Not to mention there's been a nice scuffle over in Scalding Pass/Wicked Creek. Some bloody lips may or may not result in a conflict later on. *Here's hoping for wrecks!*

Jason Marshall
Gallente
Mad Bombers
Guns and Alcohol
Posted - 2009.09.28 10:41:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Jason Marshall on 28/09/2009 10:47:28
Edited by: Jason Marshall on 28/09/2009 10:41:41
Originally by: Atherma
Personally I would invest in minerals as heavily as possible. If the new patch does what the theories say then nullsec will be breaking up a bit and more unknown corps will spring out of the woodwork. Of course if I'm wrong, then everyone who invests in minerals right now would push the price up regardless.

Not to mention there's been a nice scuffle over in Scalding Pass/Wicked Creek. Some bloody lips may or may not result in a conflict later on. *Here's hoping for wrecks!*


How much in mineral sell orders do you have up?

Edit: Bad Grammar was BAD

Jarna
Amarr
Air EVE
Posted - 2009.09.28 20:05:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Jarna on 28/09/2009 21:02:41
Originally by: Korizan
2 things.

One as others have said 0.0 is very quiet right now everyone is waiting on dominion.

Second normally new ships come out with the expansion spurring a buying spree as people stockpile minerals.
This expansion has no new ships so nobody is buying.

So long term don't expect minerals to rebound much before January and they are not expected to return there there previous inflated high levels.

As always this is just my opinion.


I thought T3's were introduced with Apocrypha?
Of course, those weren't ships everyone and their brother could gobble up.

But still, the silence of fighting started quite a bit before the asteroid field modifications, and prices didn't plummet till after the mineral density in asteroids was increased (particularly Veldspar). The first drop in price was directly related to the change in asteroid field make-up. The prices even stablized some around 3.4 to 3.6 for Tritanium. But right after the macro'ers were deleted, prices dropped hard again; down to 3.0 for Tritanium. That second part is the part that doesn't make sense.

CCP supposedly says (and I've personally not read this, was only told this) that real miners filled in the gaps immediately after the macro-miners were booted. But that doesn't make sense either since I can't believe there were that many people NOT mining because of the macro-miners. Even if there was a 1:1 ratio of real miners replacing macro-miners, a single macro-miner mines way more often than a real person due to the automation of the macro-miner's software. you'd probably have to have at least a 1.5:1 or 2:1 ratio to even makeup what a macro-miner could put out. It's hard to believe that if 5,000 macro-miners were banned 7,500-10,000 real players immediately were able to replace the macro-miners AND mine enough to cause the prices to drastically drop within a few days.

Honestly, it doesn't make sense no matter what anyone says.

H4Ng M4n
Minmatar
The Ancients.
Posted - 2009.09.28 23:13:00 - [20]
 

My guess is that the macro miners mined all the veld and whatnot and just kept it for themselves so they could sell it when they needed the isk, or if they were funding rmt keeping it until someone bought isk.

Washell Olivaw
Posted - 2009.09.28 23:34:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: small chimp
No new ships? How about the all navy dominixes and geddons?


Those don't exactly come to the market in BPO form like the tier 2 battlecruisers or tier 3 battleships. Even worse, they're limited to the FW LP store, so they won't be soaking up much, if any minerals.

Roger Midnight
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.09.28 23:45:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Atherma


Not to mention there's been a nice scuffle over in Scalding Pass/Wicked Creek. Some bloody lips may or may not result in a conflict later on. *Here's hoping for wrecks!*


That scuffle is a low budget one. People are hesitant to bring Capitals on the field. As a result the losses are quite manageable. The dastardly act of allowing people to pack their towers and leave might also be robbing industrialists of business. :-)

Roger Midnight
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.09.28 23:52:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Roger Midnight on 28/09/2009 23:52:27
Also, I might be mistaken, but I thought unholy rage was only aimed at RMTers.

Nothing in the dev blog suggested to me that a macroer who didn't engage in RMT was banned. So people who macro for isk to buy PLEX, for example, would be unaffected.

I didn't really study the blog deeply, since it doesn't affect me, so feel free to correct my reading comprehension with a quote totally disproving that premise.

Atherma
Gallente
Nex Exercitus
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.09.30 10:54:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Roger Midnight
That scuffle is a low budget one.


August had a single encounter of captial ships where the combined losses were 160+; seems like a decent ammount to me. Then again, risks like that probably will not happen again, so you're probably wise in assuming future losses won't be so drastic.

HeliosGal
Caldari
Posted - 2009.09.30 11:10:00 - [25]
 

yup the big nap fest in 00 is lowering demand and supply is the same. Dominions might lead to changes if the large alliances face exponetial isk for the space they own and if it is so then they will scream loudly. There are rucktions in the northern colations u mgiht see some breakdowns going on up there.

The only other changes to the 00 situation are the random empire and low sec originating roam fleets that use wormholes or launch from NPC regions on hit and run raids even then those are a minor annoyance to the isk printing machine.

Lindsay Logan
Posted - 2009.09.30 11:20:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Swiftgaze
Kenny? Delve? ... what? :P


0.0 wars impact EVE more then you'd think.

Now its all a big NAP train out there.

No titants needing building, no dred fleets needing building.

Might change it up a bit with dominion tho. We sahll see. Imo, I'd save the mins for a while.

Anhur Shu
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2009.09.30 11:32:00 - [27]
 

Macroers got banned? When's that happening, today during downtime?

Wink

Sergep Vitor
Posted - 2009.09.30 11:52:00 - [28]
 

Dont whine, instead stock up a few million m3 of it until the prices rise again.

Kiva Aharan
Posted - 2009.09.30 11:53:00 - [29]
 

Honestly? Just wait it out. Stockpile those minerals while the prices drop and wait for them to go back up. If you have long-term vision you can turn a lot of that isk sitting in your wallet doing nothing in to a pile of money later.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.09.30 12:08:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Lindsay Logan
Originally by: Swiftgaze
Kenny? Delve? ... what? :P


0.0 wars impact EVE more then you'd think.

Now its all a big NAP train out there.

No titants needing building, no dred fleets needing building.

Might change it up a bit with dominion tho. We sahll see. Imo, I'd save the mins for a while.


I guess you missed the part about the NC losing 70+ caps yesterday? Overall, over 100 cap losses were reported on CAOD in the last 24 hours or so.


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