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Covert Kitty
Amarr
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2009.09.26 16:11:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Covert Kitty on 23/03/2010 09:31:05
A new version of my Trade Analysis tool is out with several new features. I decided to make a new thread for the announcement, you can find the original thread here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1105136&page=1 (warning, links on that post are now incorrect)

Features

  • The client reads market cache files.

  • The client optionally can play a subtle audio notification when something gets uploaded, there's a different notification for market log files and cache uploads.

  • Multi-item multi-region trade analysis.

  • Item links set destination on click.


For screenshots and more information have a look at http://evemarket.logicaldreams.net/ the whole site is In Game Browser safe. To signup, step by step instructions with screenshots are provided here: http://evemarket.logicaldreams.net/accounts.php

So what makes this tool different than some of the other trade route tools out there? It's the only tool currently that lets you share your market export data with friends, its fully multiuser. It's also fast, 90% of the app is written in C++ and its fairly well optimized. It's one of very few tools that can process data not only from multiple sources (you, your friends, evecentral) but also across all regions at once as opposed to just comparing one region to another. I have compared its results against some of the other tools out there on the same data, and my tool always seems to come up with vastly better, more profitable routes.

If your interested, go to the site, read the main page, apply for an account. When you download the client, please read the full readme file, and installation faq. When you successfully log into the site for the first time make sure to read the entire users guide. The tool looks deceptively simple, and it is, but the users guide will teach you how to get good results, and optimize the time your spending trading.

Hope to talk to you soon! :)

ps: if you sign up to the service, please send me a eve mail as well as the contract, it will help me notice your contract quicker.

Covert Kitty
Amarr
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2009.09.27 21:32:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Covert Kitty on 23/03/2010 09:25:58
Edited by: Covert Kitty on 03/12/2009 15:29:58
Edited by: Covert Kitty on 02/11/2009 03:10:09
*Update* 03/23/2010
Hmm guess I should update the links on this post! The site was relocated to a new faster server. The links in this post are correct again now.

*Update* 12/01/2009
The website has been updated to work properly with the new IGB.

*Update* 11/01/2009
New versions of the clients have been put up, same download links, they are not mandatory upgrades, however it should resolve the crashing issue that was introduced in the last upgrade.

Dismantler
Posted - 2009.09.28 06:26:00 - [3]
 

Sorry for the off-tipoc question, but can I get the code for reading the market cache files?

Please Very Happy


MOAB DaBomb
Duco Ergo Sum
Posted - 2009.09.28 17:18:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Dismantler
Sorry for the off-tipoc question, but can I get the code for reading the market cache files?



The client is open source, and uses the libevecache library.

SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
Posted - 2009.09.28 21:01:00 - [5]
 

I'm interested in how popular this tool is, I mean how many people are current subscribers? A tool like this works better with more subscribers, so knowing there are 30 haulers all hauling stuff all over EVE would be a sales pitch. Then again at the same time it's also something to watch for, over use would make it no so profitable and I'm glad you noted that in your FAQ.

What is your current level of subscriptions and what is the max?

MOAB DaBomb
Duco Ergo Sum
Posted - 2009.09.28 22:32:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: SencneS
A tool like this works better with more subscribers, so knowing there are 30 haulers all hauling stuff all over EVE would be a sales pitch. Then again at the same time it's also something to watch for, over use would make it no so profitable and I'm glad you noted that in your FAQ.


I'll let Covert Kitty address most of that question, as I'm simply the push behind using the cache files and the Mac port.... As a user of the tool, I can speak to some of this. Specifically, the more people using the tool, the more people are working on spot trades in EVE, the more likely you are to be beaten in a trade.

The important thing to note is that data uploaded to Covert Kitty's tool, as opposed to, say eve-c, stays as private as you want. By default your data is yours and yours alone and the system will not show me trades based on your data, or vice versa. You can, optionally, integrate eve-c data (up to a certain age limit - I think it's 2 hours, but don't hold me to it) into the calculations, but I tend not to once I've started in trading. It's a personal preference and reflection on the perceived 'trust' in the data from eve-c.

With the tool, in order to have a trade taken out from under you, so to speak, by another user, you both would needed to have either found the trade from eve-c data, at which point anyone could run it, or you both happened to pull that item's market data in the same region(s). If you keep your trading focus on less common items (eg, avoid the mineral trade, or even trade goods) you are less likely to run into this problem.

I will say, from having used this tool, using the cache to load data, it's **alot** faster and easier to find those less-then-obvious money making opportunities.

(And to the guy who likes to place region-wide buy orders in Lonetrek for 30% above sale prices in Jita - Thank you for the millions. :) )

Aelana Anais
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2009.09.29 03:19:00 - [7]
 

Well I got an account and a password, downloaded the client, customized the conf file as specified in the conf file and in the readme.html, even ran the redist and still getting

"This application has failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect. Reinstalling the application may fix this problem."

I noticed the comment about debug outputing to stdout so tried running it from a cmd.exe window and instead got

"The system cannot execute the specified program."

I did this on two separate windows XP boxes and nothing (aside from the successful install of the redist) is showing up in the event logs.

I even verified the paths I put in are in fact there and contain the appropriate files.

Is there a version of this that is compiled with a little more verbosity as the error is too generic to even begin to guess where the problem lies.

Jack EDup
Posted - 2009.09.29 05:36:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Aelana Anais

"This application has failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect. Reinstalling the application may fix this problem."



Check your event log for more specific errors - it's likely you are missing the right MSFT libraries. I had much luck with the ATL patch version running on Vista.

Dismantler
Posted - 2009.09.29 12:06:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: MOAB DaBomb
Originally by: Dismantler
Sorry for the off-tipoc question, but can I get the code for reading the market cache files?



The client is open source, and uses the libevecache library.


Thanks

Covert Kitty
Amarr
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2009.09.29 14:19:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Covert Kitty on 29/09/2009 15:38:24
Edited by: Covert Kitty on 29/09/2009 14:36:14
Wow 2 days of no comments, then 8 :)
Quote:
A tool like this works better with more subscribers, so knowing there are 30 haulers all hauling stuff all over EVE would be a sales pitch

Actually its just the opposite, the fewer people the better the tool works. In fact once/if I reach a point where I start having enough customers where the effectiveness of the tool starts to drop, I will simply stop taking any more customers until conditions change.

First its important to know that your not sharing your data with anyone by default, who you share your data with is entirely up to you and your friends. The reason for this is fairly simple, since your manually uploading a bunch of market data, if you find something profitable, its not like you want to let everyone else know right? This kind of trading is *very* opportunistic, you likely have only a small window to find and complete a trade before the opportunity is lost. So in a group, you would be working together, and you would have to come to some kind of understanding about how you were going to divide and run the routes you find.

This application doesn't do anything with historical data or trends or anything like that, other apps like emma focus on that. This tools job is to make opportunistic analysis and the entire process surrounding it as fast as possible so you can get the routes and fly them with a minimum of risk.

If you had everyone sharing with each other you would have evecentral. Eve central is great for populating prices, tracking trends and all that kind of thing, but its nearly useless for this. I include its data as an optional source because it can be useful, particularly for new traders to get ideas on what to export themselves.

Quote:
It's a personal preference and reflection on the perceived 'trust' in the data from eve-c.

Moab is right about this, its a fact that eve central is really not trust-able, I've seen *many* occurrences where sellers will actually intentionally send false information about a nearby high buy order with the hopes that someone will go and buy their sell order. Its extremely important to personally verify any data you get from eve central if you intend on acting on it.

Covert Kitty
Amarr
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2009.09.29 14:29:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Covert Kitty on 29/09/2009 14:30:03
Quote:
"This application has failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect. Reinstalling the application may fix this problem."

Make sure your installing the right redist for your platform, I did include both the 64 bit one and the 32 bit one there. That's the only thing I've encountered that causes that error. As for verbosity, that error indicates that the program can't even be run, therefore I have no control over it. Windows loves giving vague errors as we all know :)

I'll link up with you in game and we can work it out, I'll extend your time so you have the full amount once you have it up and working.

Lord Helghast
Posted - 2009.09.29 14:58:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Lord Helghast on 29/09/2009 14:59:00
how about a 1 day trial :) just to see howit works and if its worth the large investment etc? :)

also a request for fetaure, i see you support using eve-central data, maybe also add support to use eve-metrics data

Covert Kitty
Amarr
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2009.09.29 15:18:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Covert Kitty on 29/09/2009 15:23:29
I would consider it, though the usefulness is pretty much nonexistant. The fact is that you really have to be using your own or friends exported data or else your really not going to be successful. Personally I basically never enable evecentral when I'm trading myself. Theres a userguide thats available to you when you log in that explains the entire process.

As for a 1 mil trial, no sorry I need to be fair to everyone and remain consistent. Besides if 2 mil feels like a lot of isk to you, you should probably wait until you have at least 15-20 mil isk total before starting. You need at least some capital to start making more.

hmm I should make a screenshot of some really low end trade so new traders could get an idea of what to expect.

thanks for the comments :)

Aelana Anais
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2009.09.29 15:49:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: jack edup
Originally by: Aelana Anais

"This application has failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect. Reinstalling the application may fix this problem."



Check your event log for more specific errors - it's likely you are missing the right MSFT libraries. I had much luck with the ATL patch version running on Vista.



Note my original reply specified that I had checked the eventlog and nothing was in it.

Aelana Anais
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2009.09.29 15:55:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Covert Kitty
Edited by: Covert Kitty on 29/09/2009 14:30:03
Quote:
"This application has failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect. Reinstalling the application may fix this problem."

Make sure your installing the right redist for your platform, I did include both the 64 bit one and the 32 bit one there. That's the only thing I've encountered that causes that error. As for verbosity, that error indicates that the program can't even be run, therefore I have no control over it. Windows loves giving vague errors as we all know :)

I'll link up with you in game and we can work it out, I'll extend your time so you have the full amount once you have it up and working.


Yes, I used the 32 bit one and both my machines are running the 32bit version of XP.

Forranz
Malice.
Tentative Nature
Posted - 2009.09.29 20:41:00 - [16]
 

Free bump.

Gush Kappa
Posted - 2009.09.30 04:03:00 - [17]
 

Can you release the source code for the Windows client? According to the terms of the GPL, under which this entire application is bound by, if you are distributing the binary, you must also distribute the source. As the server end of your application is sort of a black box, that may or may not fall under the GPL as well.

MOAB DaBomb
Duco Ergo Sum
Posted - 2009.09.30 05:11:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Gush Kappa
Can you release the source code for the Windows client? According to the terms of the GPL, under which this entire application is bound by, if you are distributing the binary, you must also distribute the source. As the server end of your application is sort of a black box, that may or may not fall under the GPL as well.


You mean the one that's been on the same download page the binary is downloaded from?

Juno Imaginos
Posted - 2009.09.30 06:23:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: MOAB DaBomb
Originally by: Gush Kappa
Can you release the source code for the Windows client? According to the terms of the GPL, under which this entire application is bound by, if you are distributing the binary, you must also distribute the source. As the server end of your application is sort of a black box, that may or may not fall under the GPL as well.


You mean the one that's been on the same download page the binary is downloaded from?


I didn't see the source code on the binary download page. I'd be interested in seeing how this works too as I'm working on a cache reader myself and looking into libevecache at the moment.

I don't think the server side (if any) falls under GPL if it doesn't use any GPL components itself.

MOAB DaBomb
Duco Ergo Sum
Posted - 2009.09.30 07:16:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Juno Imaginos
Originally by: MOAB DaBomb
Originally by: Gush Kappa
Can you release the source code for the Windows client? According to the terms of the GPL, under which this entire application is bound by, if you are distributing the binary, you must also distribute the source. As the server end of your application is sort of a black box, that may or may not fall under the GPL as well.


You mean the one that's been on the same download page the binary is downloaded from?


I didn't see the source code on the binary download page. I'd be interested in seeing how this works too as I'm working on a cache reader myself and looking into libevecache at the moment.

I don't think the server side (if any) falls under GPL if it doesn't use any GPL components itself.


Source is included in the Linux version - top link: "Linux / Source Client"

As far as the server goes -- /shrug -- I'll leave that to Covert Kitty to answer as I've never seen it (in binary or source).
(As an aside, if the server code/binary is never distributed, unless it's linked with GPLv3+ licensed code, it doesn't have to be released.)

Juno Imaginos
Posted - 2009.09.30 07:26:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Juno Imaginos on 30/09/2009 07:27:45
Originally by: MOAB DaBomb

Source is included in the Linux version - top link: "Linux / Source Client"

As far as the server goes -- /shrug -- I'll leave that to Covert Kitty to answer as I've never seen it (in binary or source).
(As an aside, if the server code/binary is never distributed, unless it's linked with GPLv3+ licensed code, it doesn't have to be released.)


Great, thanks. And that is my feel on the server side also. If it's not distributed and doesn't use stricter licensed GPL components then it doesn't need to be published.

EDIT: I'm a total fail at reading comprehension. It clearly says linux / source on the download page. My mind just skipped after the linux part. Sorry.

Covert Kitty
Amarr
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2009.09.30 15:02:00 - [22]
 

Quote:
Can you release the source code for the Windows client? According to the terms of the GPL, under which this entire application is bound by, if you are distributing the binary, you must also distribute the source. As the server end of your application is sort of a black box, that may or may not fall under the GPL as well.

As Moab mentioned, the source / linux package is the exact same source thats used on windows and mac. The server side source, I do intend to release some day, but that would be when I have either lost interest in trading or Eve entirely. The client is covered by the GPL2 in order to help it make it to the various platforms, and to solve any trust related concerns. GPL2 does not however by extension apply to the server code, that's the main feature of GPL3.

Thanks for your posts :)

Gush Kappa
Posted - 2009.09.30 19:31:00 - [23]
 

Fair enough, the cache reader portion of this program is based on libevecache, available here for anyone who is curious:

http://gitorious.org/libevecache

All other libraries used in this software can be easily found via a Google search, compilation via Visual Studio 2008 with all the required libraries works perfectly. RakNet is used to handle logins and such, nothing too complicated to set up your own server should one desire. :)

Covert Kitty
Amarr
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2009.10.03 19:03:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Covert Kitty on 03/10/2009 19:03:59
Quote:
Aelana Anais
"This application has failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect. Reinstalling the application may fix this problem."


I found the issue here, thanks to DsItnangel for pointing out that I was distributing the incorrect versions of the sp1 redists. The readme actually had the correct link to the newest versions on Microsoft's website. I updated the client zip with the new versions of those files.

You can also find them here: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=766A6AF7-EC73-40FF-B072-9112BAB119C2&displaylang=en#filelist

I sent you an email, and reset your time. Sorry for the inconvenience.

DsItnangel
Caldari
Space Candy Distribution
Posted - 2009.10.03 19:04:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Covert Kitty
Quote:
Aelana Anais
"This application has failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect. Reinstalling the application may fix this problem."


I found the issue here, thanks to DsItnangel for pointing out that I was distributing the incorrect versions of the sp1 redists. The readme actually had the correct link to the newest versions on Microsoft's website. I updated the client zip with the new versions of those files.

You can also find them here: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=766A6AF7-EC73-40FF-B072-9112BAB119C2&displaylang=en#filelist


I am teh 1337. Feel free to give me all your stuff :)

Covert Kitty
Amarr
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2009.10.05 19:14:00 - [26]
 

*bump*

The Wintersmith
Posted - 2009.10.05 19:37:00 - [27]
 

Could you give me a quick market-newbie friendly summary of this tool?

So it takes data from EVEcentral and gives you buying prices fr items and the best place to sell them in?

Covert Kitty
Amarr
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2009.10.06 04:25:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Covert Kitty on 06/10/2009 04:25:29
It takes data primarily from your own market log exports / eve cache, optionally combines it with evecentral's data, and optionally any other user(s) on the system (provided they give you the rights to their data). It then calculates the most profitable route which may include multiple items along a multi-phase flight path. It does this quickly and the website as can be seen in the screenshot, is filled with links you can use to right click on and navigate with. (which I really hope they don't get rid of in the upcoming expansion, because its pretty damn awesome imo)

There's a user guide available once your logged into the website that explains everything you would need to know to be successful, and I can help with questions as well via ingame mail.

Covert Kitty
Amarr
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2009.10.08 21:12:00 - [29]
 

*advertising bump*

Tommy Tucker
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.10.09 16:33:00 - [30]
 

I have sent you the contract. Any chance I could be activated please.

Thanks

Tommy


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