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Mystical Dawn
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2009.09.26 00:40:00 - [1]
 

The Drone regions. Massively over streched area of space without a real control. These regions are practically empty.

Franga
NQX Innovations
Posted - 2009.09.26 00:53:00 - [2]
 

This is an excellent thread.

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2009.09.26 00:56:00 - [3]
 

I assume they will start renting the space to get more activity there.

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2009.09.26 01:01:00 - [4]
 

In drone regions, region collapses you!

TorsoBell
Posted - 2009.09.26 01:06:00 - [5]
 

The Sebiestor Tribe will take over the Drone region. It's only junk there!

Securitas Protector
The Concordiat
Concordiat Alliance
Posted - 2009.09.26 01:09:00 - [6]
 

Geminate: full of neutrals to the owners, Wildly inappropriate, and the lower half is relatively empty of their actual presence. Plus it's close to empire.

Drakan290
Posted - 2009.09.26 02:08:00 - [7]
 

Fountain; neither SoT or PL has a gigantic industrial side at all, and their renters suck at pvping.

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2009.09.26 02:50:00 - [8]
 

The first victims will be anyone holding territory who doesn't have access to competant spreadsheet junkies to run the industrial side and also enough active non adhd pew pew members to police the now vulnerable to small gang warfare soft industrial targets that will be part of the sov changes. So basically any mostly military based alliance who currently survives off the soon to be nerfed moon goo market will have some serious issues holding any nullsec space at all.

Its going to be a wild ride after Domininon hits.Twisted Evil

Mire Stoude
The Undesirables
Posted - 2009.09.26 03:14:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Zeba
The first victims will be anyone holding territory who doesn't have access to competant spreadsheet junkies to run the industrial side and also enough active non adhd pew pew members to police the now vulnerable to small gang warfare soft industrial targets that will be part of the sov changes. So basically any mostly military based alliance who currently survives off the soon to be nerfed moon goo market will have some serious issues holding any nullsec space at all.

Its going to be a wild ride after Domininon hits.Twisted Evil


So ... all of them? Question

Lonestar123
Posted - 2009.09.26 05:22:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Mire Stoude
Originally by: Zeba
The first victims will be anyone holding territory who doesn't have access to competant spreadsheet junkies to run the industrial side and also enough active non adhd pew pew members to police the now vulnerable to small gang warfare soft industrial targets that will be part of the sov changes. So basically any mostly military based alliance who currently survives off the soon to be nerfed moon goo market will have some serious issues holding any nullsec space at all.

Its going to be a wild ride after Domininon hits.Twisted Evil


So ... all of them? Question


*gets popcorn*

Borun Tal
Minmatar
Space Pods Inc
Posted - 2009.09.26 06:59:00 - [11]
 

Jita? Please say Jita.... Twisted Evil

Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
Posted - 2009.09.26 07:03:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Mire Stoude

So ... all of them? Question


Better fasten your seatbelts, it's gonna be a bumpy night...

Though it serves them right for refusing to recruit non-pew pew players to back their war machines. Now it'll bite 'em and hard.

I love the smell of mining lasers in the morning... it smells like... victory...

Serge Bastana
Gallente
GWA Corp
Posted - 2009.09.26 07:11:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Zeba
The first victims will be anyone holding territory who doesn't have access to competant spreadsheet junkies to run the industrial side and also enough active non adhd pew pew members to police the now vulnerable to small gang warfare soft industrial targets that will be part of the sov changes. So basically any mostly military based alliance who currently survives off the soon to be nerfed moon goo market will have some serious issues holding any nullsec space at all.

Its going to be a wild ride after Domininon hits.Twisted Evil


It's interesting that wormhole space seems to have gotten the mix right generally, industrialists and combat pilots are both able to take advantage of what wormholes have to offer.


Bellum Eternus
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.09.26 07:36:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Serge Bastana
Originally by: Zeba
The first victims will be anyone holding territory who doesn't have access to competant spreadsheet junkies to run the industrial side and also enough active non adhd pew pew members to police the now vulnerable to small gang warfare soft industrial targets that will be part of the sov changes. So basically any mostly military based alliance who currently survives off the soon to be nerfed moon goo market will have some serious issues holding any nullsec space at all.

Its going to be a wild ride after Domininon hits.Twisted Evil


It's interesting that wormhole space seems to have gotten the mix right generally, industrialists and combat pilots are both able to take advantage of what wormholes have to offer.




Nothing to do with the lack of local at all... nope. Lol.

Borun Tal
Minmatar
Space Pods Inc
Posted - 2009.09.26 08:11:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Borun Tal on 26/09/2009 08:12:06
Originally by: Cygnet Lythanea
Better fasten your seatbelts, it's gonna be a bumpy night...


+1 for classic film reference (if paraphrased). Very Happy


edit: typing while buzzed

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.09.26 08:28:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Serge Bastana
Originally by: Zeba
The first victims will be anyone holding territory who doesn't have access to competant spreadsheet junkies to run the industrial side and also enough active non adhd pew pew members to police the now vulnerable to small gang warfare soft industrial targets that will be part of the sov changes. So basically any mostly military based alliance who currently survives off the soon to be nerfed moon goo market will have some serious issues holding any nullsec space at all.

Its going to be a wild ride after Domininon hits.Twisted Evil


It's interesting that wormhole space seems to have gotten the mix right generally, industrialists and combat pilots are both able to take advantage of what wormholes have to offer.




Nothing to do with the lack of local at all... nope. Lol.


What a ridiculous thought. It has been proven over and over on this forum that no PvEing could possibly take place with no local.

MuffinsRevenger
Kenny Starfighter Appreciation Club
Posted - 2009.09.26 09:38:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Bellum Eternus

Nothing to do with the lack of local at all... nope. Lol.


All this really do is to allow me to gank hulks, since they can't spot me and POS up everytime i enter local, so i suspect your entirely wrong about that :D

To be honest, the lack of people passing through wormholes is probobly what allows them to suport industry as well as PVE decently, since you normaly don't get disturbed
normal space's issue is that systems are so small, and that it's so massivly easy to find people in them

Vysnaite
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2009.09.26 10:17:00 - [18]
 

I hope smaller alliances/corps plan to move in and seize some systems, older alliances go to war and that type of stuff. So yeah, I hope it gets crazy out there.

Ariane VoxDei
Posted - 2009.09.26 10:51:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Ariane VoxDei on 26/09/2009 10:51:46
Originally by: Vysnaite
I hope smaller alliances/corps plan to move in and seize some systems, older alliances go to war and that type of stuff. So yeah, I hope it gets crazy out there.
Pretty much this.
Veldspar and tritanium orders have been placed and I am increasing my blueprint collection. Gotta help those brave lads out there doing the fighting, can't have them running out of ships and ammo.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2009.09.26 10:52:00 - [20]
 

Delve Cool

Vysnaite
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2009.09.26 10:53:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Ariane VoxDei
Edited by: Ariane VoxDei on 26/09/2009 10:51:46
Originally by: Vysnaite
I hope smaller alliances/corps plan to move in and seize some systems, older alliances go to war and that type of stuff. So yeah, I hope it gets crazy out there.
Pretty much this.
Veldspar and tritanium orders have been placed and I am increasing my blueprint collection. Gotta help those brave lads out there doing the fighting, can't have them running out of ships and ammo.


shhh don't tell them that!!

Mikayla Grey
Gallente
Posted - 2009.09.26 11:11:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Serge Bastana
Originally by: Zeba
The first victims will be anyone holding territory who doesn't have access to competant spreadsheet junkies to run the industrial side and also enough active non adhd pew pew members to police the now vulnerable to small gang warfare soft industrial targets that will be part of the sov changes. So basically any mostly military based alliance who currently survives off the soon to be nerfed moon goo market will have some serious issues holding any nullsec space at all.

Its going to be a wild ride after Domininon hits.Twisted Evil


It's interesting that wormhole space seems to have gotten the mix right generally, industrialists and combat pilots are both able to take advantage of what wormholes have to offer.




Nothing to do with the lack of local at all... nope. Lol.


You are free to go to wh space as much as you want.

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2009.09.26 11:16:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Blane Xero
Delve Cool
Depends on if mittens and crew can get a credible industrial base installed before all the isk from the current moons is used up. Plus the fact that Delve will no longer be special for materials as any system will be able to produce exotic materials with sufficient infrastructure. Man this had to be a slap in the face for them after finally claiming delve. Its like their own personal nge of doom.

On the flipside I can see bob crawling back out of the npc stations with all the wealth and materials that never got destroyed in the great unsoving of delve. If they were good at anything it was organization so the new sov mechanics should play will with any comeback attempt. Wouldn't suprise me at all if they are not already wooing empire industrial corps with promises of choice areas all to their own in exchange for protection. Plus the goonies bad track record might not help them very much at getting paranoid industrialist on thier side. Wonder how the Jihad is going? Very Happy

Mystical Dawn
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2009.09.26 11:18:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Blane Xero
Delve Cool
Depends on if mittens and crew can get a credible industrial base installed before all the isk from the current moons is used up. Plus the fact that Delve will no longer be special for materials as any system will be able to produce exotic materials with sufficient infrastructure. Man this had to be a slap in the face for them after finally claiming delve. Its like their own personal nge of doom.

On the flipside I can see bob crawling back out of the npc stations with all the wealth and materials that never got destroyed in the great unsoving of delve. If they were good at anything it was organization so the new sov mechanics should play will with any comeback attempt. Wouldn't suprise me at all if they are not already wooing empire industrial corps with promises of choice areas all to their own in exchange for protection. Plus the goonies bad track record might not help them very much at getting paranoid industrialist on thier side. Wonder how the Jihad is going? Very Happy
Agree on that but hey atleast shadow of xxxdeathxxx are shooting red alliance lolZ Laughing

http://kb.redalliance.ru/?op=kill&id=356573

Delianora
Posted - 2009.09.26 11:22:00 - [25]
 

Here's the issue as I see it...

Suppose an alliance owns 4 R64's spread about a region with 10-20 jumps separating them (i.e. like PL or SoT)...

1) will R64s still produce the 100 units per hour or do the systems need to be upgraded to reach 100 per hour?

2) no one actually lives in the current r64 systems as the belts are poor, so will alliances take the time to upgrade their current r64 systems to make them habitable?

3) the spaces between the r64s are either rented out to PET alliances so they can mine the poor r16s... would it make more sense for the current r64 holders to kick out the pets and claim those systems so they can own a contiguous block of space?

4) many current R64 moon holding alliances have become comfortable with up to 50% of their members doing other things such as living in empire suicide ganking, deep roams in far off regions, or running L4's in empire with their mission running characters... Thus, can they instill a "culture of locality" to get all their pilots to settle in the same 0.0 region so they can build up the infrastructure...

5) many of the R 64 alliances hold moons in 4-6 different regions... will they trade moons with blues such as "I will give u this R64 in fountain for a R64 in wicked creek" or will they create alt alliances to form mini empires...

6) How easy is it to steal sov via small gang raids... If an alliance leaves a R64 with a faction death star 20 jumps from their "base" can the 100 units per hour of moon goo be disrupted by stealing sov from them?

JitaPriceChecker2
Posted - 2009.09.26 11:41:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Delianora
Here's the issue as I see it...

Suppose an alliance owns 4 R64's spread about a region with 10-20 jumps separating them (i.e. like PL or SoT)...

1) will R64s still produce the 100 units per hour or do the systems need to be upgraded to reach 100 per hour?

2) no one actually lives in the current r64 systems as the belts are poor, so will alliances take the time to upgrade their current r64 systems to make them habitable?

3) the spaces between the r64s are either rented out to PET alliances so they can mine the poor r16s... would it make more sense for the current r64 holders to kick out the pets and claim those systems so they can own a contiguous block of space?

4) many current R64 moon holding alliances have become comfortable with up to 50% of their members doing other things such as living in empire suicide ganking, deep roams in far off regions, or running L4's in empire with their mission running characters... Thus, can they instill a "culture of locality" to get all their pilots to settle in the same 0.0 region so they can build up the infrastructure...

5) many of the R 64 alliances hold moons in 4-6 different regions... will they trade moons with blues such as "I will give u this R64 in fountain for a R64 in wicked creek" or will they create alt alliances to form mini empires...

6) How easy is it to steal sov via small gang raids... If an alliance leaves a R64 with a faction death star 20 jumps from their "base" can the 100 units per hour of moon goo be disrupted by stealing sov from them?


You missed the part that r64 are going to be nerfed.

Another Forum'Alt
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2009.09.26 12:20:00 - [27]
 

98% of current space holding alliances TBFH.

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2009.09.26 12:23:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Zeba on 26/09/2009 12:23:04
Originally by: Another Forum'Alt
98% of current space holding alliances TBFH.
If that is going to be the case then why no threadnaughts about how the new sov mechanics will ruin eve for current territory holding alliances. If anything they seem to be quite excited in some cases about the upcoming changes.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2009.09.26 12:39:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Zeba
Edited by: Zeba on 26/09/2009 12:23:04
Originally by: Another Forum'Alt
98% of current space holding alliances TBFH.
If that is going to be the case then why no threadnaughts about how the new sov mechanics will ruin eve for current territory holding alliances. If anything they seem to be quite excited in some cases about the upcoming changes.

I guess it's because *anything* beats POS-Puking.

Mya ElleTerego
Amarr
The Hull Miners Union
Posted - 2009.09.26 12:47:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Mya ElleTerego on 26/09/2009 14:12:59

These sov changes arent going to do ****, just because it may prove easy to move into sov space now you will find the same problem. The same people are going to sit on your face till your pilots want to leave, because they are camped in 24/7... And their stuffs about to get stuck when you leave the station, and lose it. Eves problem isnt the sov mechanics, its mostly the way politics have evolved, and the devastation one good cap fight can have on an alliance. So the answer, to the nap mobile, The south, the west, and the north, and we have 3 factions pretty much holding all sov in 0.0. r64 moon income isnt new, and the alliances that have been holding multiple moons for months, and years, are so far advanced, that without some kind of internal implosion, or major backstabbery, they won't be toppled by anyone new to sov.

I dont really count drone regions, noone really wants to live there. Tho upgraded areas may draw new life to it.

The way I see it, is only key systems in regions will be held, these will include station systems. Depending on the cost some alliances will install pets in key areas they cant / dont want to pay for. Anyone new trys to squat in their space, they will just focus on them, until they realize their errors in judgement with their 15 titans, and 100 dread fleets. Unless youve been playing the politics game, and trying to actually earn standings etc, and proven youd make good neighbors, good luck to you trying to make a run for sov, post dominion. I predict alot of smaller alliances fail cascading the moment they commit. Alot of epic fleet fighting as sov changes, and systems are redefended by some carebear mechanic like cyno jammers and jump bridge networks. But other than that it will just settled down to business as usual, and there will be even less reason to go siege green if your in a smaller alliance very shortly.

Thats my take on the matter anyways.

TLDR Version, This isnt going to fix anything other than cause armageddon week on tranq when it goes live. All its going to do is shuffle pets around, and make the mega alliances even fatter and richer.

Im not being emo either, and no Im not mad. I am actually looking forward to the tears caused by a 30 stealth bomber fleet going from beacon to beacon and reinforcing it/ blowing up any upgrades possible.

I also predict the isk upkeep etc, will get nerfed after a ****storm of emo tears are shed by carebears, and the major alliances. When the pets find out how much they have to pay in rent, vs just crawl into a wormhole for ABC roids.


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