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Arokan Manturi
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.09.25 09:24:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Steve Celeste
Originally by: Meveil
assualt on one of the alliances pos in low sec.

Will it be possible to fire the new superweapon in lowsec?


I dont think Titans can enter low-sec.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.09.25 09:42:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Arokan Manturi
Originally by: Steve Celeste
Originally by: Meveil
assualt on one of the alliances pos in low sec.

Will it be possible to fire the new superweapon in lowsec?


I dont think Titans can enter low-sec.

They have always been able to enter lowsec just not use the DD. The new DD work in lowsec so bye bye station hugging dreads/carriers.

Caldari Citizen4714
Posted - 2009.09.25 13:12:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Kuar Z'thain
Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714
Originally by: Kuar Z'thain
Read the feedback thread in the test server forum. I think everyone agrees no properly fit carrier or dread will survive this. Unless you want to drop a few extra bill on your fitting.

CAP PILOTS: If you see a Titan, you run.
Then perhaps the definition of a "proper" fit will change.

I'm not saying the below setup is a proper fit, but it would take the hit at 2.5M EHP (2.6M vs. EM):

[Moros, Strukta]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution

Siege Module I
Dual 1000mm Railgun I, Guristas Lead Charge XL
Dual 1000mm Railgun I, Guristas Lead Charge XL
Dual 1000mm Railgun I, Guristas Lead Charge XL

Large Anti-Explosive Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I


OMFG.
Please tell me you are not a cap pilot.

Also, what if the titan pilot has doomsday 4 trained? You still die.
OMFG..
Your reading comprehension skills are incredible!

Damien Klesk
Posted - 2009.09.25 13:21:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Chribba
Skills increase the damage Laughing My Judgement has 2.4M base EM damage, however - Striking the Veldspar yields 0.0 damage, so they are rock hard!!

WTS 1600mm Veldspar Plates.
lol, fraps please.

Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
Posted - 2009.09.25 13:32:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Dianeces

Yes, I too, think it is a good idea to theorycraft a Phoenix fitting that allows you to tank a DD but makes it bad at actually shooting anything.

How ist "bad at actually shooting anything" ? It has 2 damage mods, but even if you remove 1 pds and fit 3 damage mods it still have over 3 million EHP. Because it's tank is in the medslots, it can still have a solid tank while fitting damage mods, that's the advantage of it compared to the other dreads.

DrefsabZN
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.09.25 13:56:00 - [36]
 

I think his comment was more aimed at his views on citadel torps :)

Mr Ignitious
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2009.09.25 14:00:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: TimMc
Doesn't this mean when you fire a new DD, another 2 titans are going to double DD you which will instantly kill you? Then those 2 titans will be double DD by 4 titans, and then those 4 titans...


titans and supercarriers are getting a substantial hp boost.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2009.09.25 15:01:00 - [38]
 

well, one thing is sure: after this change either we'll see lots more fireworks, or lots more blueballing.

Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
Posted - 2009.09.25 15:16:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Le Skunk on 25/09/2009 15:30:38
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Arokan Manturi
Originally by: Steve Celeste
Originally by: Meveil
assualt on one of the alliances pos in low sec.

Will it be possible to fire the new superweapon in lowsec?


I dont think Titans can enter low-sec.

They have always been able to enter lowsec just not use the DD. The new DD work in lowsec so bye bye station hugging dreads/carriers.


Well its BYE-BYE everything.

Basicaly when this comes in there is no point in fitting anything other then a fully insured, t2 ship - as you will always be rounghly 25 seconds from being instatpopped. No pilot skills will save you, no team work, no gurilla tactics, no cunning fits, no LV5 skills.

(cyno, system load, lock, 3million shoop cannon in your face, POD!!!)

So no drive to improve your setup, no faction ships, no faction gear.

* Fly a T3 ship? Get it sold.
* Fit a deadspace repper? Get it sold.
* Fit t2 rigs? Dont Bother.
* Fly a faction ship? Get it on contracts fast!
* Fly your corps only capital ship? Get it on contracts son.

Small-medium lowsec corps have a hard enough time of it already, with groups of bored mothership pilots hotdropping them willy nilly. But as least with some teamwork you can get out of that with minimal losses (remote repping each other for the cool off period before jumping out)

We have however, been mercifully clear of any TITANS due to the DD not working in low sec. Well thats if you dont count them jump bridging 30 freighters full of loot past us - no risk - to warp to zero onto a high sec gate(freighters that original would have needed an escort, provided a basis for fights, and aided the meagre living pirates have to grind out)

Not any more. Another lowsec nerf whilst CCP whitter inanely on about "boosting lowsec".

So get your faction ships and modules on the market for the people in high sec to buy and get yourself a stock of exciting vanilla ships.

How can I be so right all the time? I dont know. Of course the DD changes are "not final" atm - but you watch them go through with it.

SKUNK

BacardiDesire
Perkone
Posted - 2009.09.25 19:48:00 - [40]
 

you won't kill our pos or titan :'D

Baghdad Bobbit
Greater BoB Community
Posted - 2009.09.25 23:01:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Baghdad Bobbit on 25/09/2009 23:02:08
Originally by: Le Skunk
Well its BYE-BYE everything.

Basicaly when this comes in there is no point in fitting anything other then a fully insured, t2 ship - as you will always be rounghly 25 seconds from being instatpopped. No pilot skills will save you, no team work, no gurilla tactics, no cunning fits, no LV5 skills.

(cyno, system load, lock, 3million shoop cannon in your face, POD!!!)

So no drive to improve your setup, no faction ships, no faction gear.

* Fly a T3 ship? Get it sold.
* Fit a deadspace repper? Get it sold.
* Fit t2 rigs? Dont Bother.
* Fly a faction ship? Get it on contracts fast!
* Fly your corps only capital ship? Get it on contracts son.

Small-medium lowsec corps have a hard enough time of it already, with groups of bored mothership pilots hotdropping them willy nilly. But as least with some teamwork you can get out of that with minimal losses (remote repping each other for the cool off period before jumping out)

We have however, been mercifully clear of any TITANS due to the DD not working in low sec. Well thats if you dont count them jump bridging 30 freighters full of loot past us - no risk - to warp to zero onto a high sec gate(freighters that original would have needed an escort, provided a basis for fights, and aided the meagre living pirates have to grind out)

Not any more. Another lowsec nerf whilst CCP whitter inanely on about "boosting lowsec".

So get your faction ships and modules on the market for the people in high sec to buy and get yourself a stock of exciting vanilla ships.

How can I be so right all the time? I dont know. Of course the DD changes are "not final" atm - but you watch them go through with it.

SKUNK


You are an idiot.

Titan activates their DD on your T3 Cruiser/BS or smaller ship? Warp out, no damage received.

OilSlick Rick
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2009.09.25 23:06:00 - [42]
 

If they are going to allow titan's to doomsday in low sec, then they better allow bombs in low sec.

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2009.09.25 23:23:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: OilSlick Rick
If they are going to allow titan's to doomsday in low sec, then they better allow bombs in low sec.


Bombs are AoE. Would be nice if they stopped smartbombing bs in low sec too but you cannot have everything.

Xtreem
Gallente
The Collective
White Noise.
Posted - 2009.09.25 23:55:00 - [44]
 

the titan will be a powerhouse thats for sure, but there are alot more ms than there are titans, and a ms can take a good few shots from the new titan and can fit the new anti capital bombers, which i hear hurts caps pretty nicely.

i wont bother to predict what will happen (i don;t know) but it will end up in epicly huge fights, or no one confronting each other! esp with the moon gold nerf.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2009.09.26 00:12:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Xtreem
the titan will be a powerhouse thats for sure, but there are alot more ms than there are titans, and a ms can take a good few shots from the new titan and can fit the new anti capital bombers, which i hear hurts caps pretty nicely.

i wont bother to predict what will happen (i don;t know) but it will end up in epicly huge fights, or no one confronting each other! esp with the moon gold nerf.
that's why I expect epic fireworks or epic blueballing when this change comes aboutLaughing

zombiedeadhead
Minmatar
The Tuskers
Posted - 2009.09.26 04:56:00 - [46]
 

If this was my thread, I would have titled it 'How much Damage does a DD do, if a DD does do damage?'

Voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
We Are John Galt
Posted - 2009.09.26 07:01:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: voogru on 26/09/2009 07:01:49
Heres the new titan super weapon.

http://m-devillers.ruhosting.nl/titans_imageshack.html

And one more:

http://m-devillers.ruhosting.nl/ykywi_imageshack.html

Zurrar
Posted - 2009.09.26 08:43:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: zombiedeadhead
If this was my thread, I would have titled it 'How much Damage does a DD do, if a DD does do damage?'


/thread


i lol'ed

BiggestT
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2009.09.26 09:43:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: zombiedeadhead
If this was my thread, I would have titled it 'How much Damage does a DD do, if a DD does do damage?'


Does a dd do damage if the damaging dd does a lot more than just do?

(ie if the titan is using a portal generator at the same time?)

Oddymandius
Minmatar
Red Federation
Posted - 2009.09.26 11:09:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: Oddymandius on 26/09/2009 11:34:28
Originally by: Crackzilla

The issue isn't with 1 titan. The issue is when one side shows up with 80+ dreads and the other shows up with 25 titans + dreads + carriers. Can the 80+ dreads kill a titan or two before they all die?



Point #1: This isn't a balanced scenario in any case, as 80 tech II-fitted dreads are not worth as much as even three titan hulls by themselves. Obviously the side with 50x the amount of isk on the field is going to win.

Point #2: If the Titan weapon has a five minute cooling period then the 25 Titans aren't going to kill more than 25 dreads every five minute cycle. If 25 dreads can kill a single titan faster than that, the side with the 80 dreadnoughts is going to come out ahead in isk terms even if they all lose their ships in the process.

Point #3: What if one team turns up with 25 titans + dreads + carriers and the other turns up with 300 tech II fit battleships + tackles? Some of those Titans are going to die, and in isk terms there's no way the Titan fleet can make up the loss of even a single Titan, irrespective of whether they kill every enemy ship on the field.

Originally by: Crackzilla

If alliances can now field a dozen titans in a few years they'll be able to field a few dozen titans for a fight. Titans become the new dreads. Dreads become the new bs, tanked like a double dd tanked bs of today and fit for a limited purpose of suriving titans.


Point #4: Your lolterm projections fail to take into account that Titans are going to die more often if they're actively used in battle, preventing any sustained overabundance. For all of the reasons listed above, they're mostly going to be used to gank smaller groups of Titans. That means the Alliances with Titans are going to be the ones mostly fielding Titans against each other.

Conclusion: the Titan changes finally incorporate them into the existing Eve size/power progression, where large ships can do more damage but are balanced by being less cost-effective v.s. larger numbers of small cheaper ships. The result is that all ship types are suddenly viable again for all classes of combat engagement. If nothing else, Alliances are going to be forced to hire large numbers of battleship pilots as they won't be able to defend space simply by spending isk on capfleets any more - but doing that is still viable if your opponent does it. Everybody wins.

Leather Jack
Kernite Commando
Posted - 2009.09.26 15:05:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: voogru
Edited by: voogru on 26/09/2009 07:01:49
Heres the new titan super weapon.

http://m-devillers.ruhosting.nl/titans_imageshack.html

And one more:

http://m-devillers.ruhosting.nl/ykywi_imageshack.html


You still kicking about V?! Shocked
Nice to see an old face on the forums for a change.

Zeredek
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.09.26 15:13:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: voogru
Edited by: voogru on 26/09/2009 07:01:49
Heres the new titan super weapon.

http://m-devillers.ruhosting.nl/titans_imageshack.html

And one more:

http://m-devillers.ruhosting.nl/ykywi_imageshack.html


win

Aion Amarra
Minmatar
Real Nice And Laidback Corporation
Black Core Alliance
Posted - 2009.09.26 15:40:00 - [53]
 

I predict the demand for slavesets is going to go up even further. (Take that, bulkhead users!)

Either way, I had the honor of testing a revelation against a titan on Sisi. Do -not- underestimate that damage bonus. Five titans will do a lot more to the opposing fleet than pop five dreads every five minutes.

Irida Mershkov
Gallente
The Reformed
Chaos Theory Alliance
Posted - 2009.09.26 16:10:00 - [54]
 

I want to see someone pod someone with these new DDs, the overkill would be immense.

Renarla
Posted - 2009.09.26 16:26:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Irida Mershkov
I want to see someone pod someone with these new DDs, the overkill would be immense.


It would be like killing a fly with a flamethrower. Laughing

Redflare
Caldari
Black Metal Armory
Slammer's Republic
Posted - 2009.09.26 17:00:00 - [56]
 

This is a stupid thread.

The Titan DD change is amazing, though imho UNDERPOWERED!

And for you all thinking a titan will pop your dread/rork/T3 ship, why the hell is that ship staying around long enough TO GET TARGETED, LOCKED, AND SHOT AT BY A DOOMSDAY WEAPON??? And where is your support?

NoNah
Posted - 2009.09.26 17:22:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Redflare
This is a stupid thread.

The Titan DD change is amazing, though imho UNDERPOWERED!

And for you all thinking a titan will pop your dread/rork/T3 ship, why the hell is that ship staying around long enough TO GET TARGETED, LOCKED, AND SHOT AT BY A DOOMSDAY WEAPON??? And where is your support?


Siege Module I
Triage Module I
Industrial Core I

.. just saying.

Lady Vorax
Amarr
Invicta.
Posted - 2009.09.26 18:00:00 - [58]
 

they sauid soemwhere that builed titanz will be more difficult. they also need to be on the field to target an dshoot. so i dont think there is any need for emo. yes they will sometimes come to 1 shoot you, but they will need a pretty big support fleet to not die.

Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
Posted - 2009.09.26 18:09:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Le Skunk on 26/09/2009 18:14:23
Originally by: Baghdad Bobbit

You are an idiot.

Titan activates their DD on your T3 Cruiser/BS or smaller ship? Warp out, no damage received.


So speaketh the voice of high sec mission running. I will take the time to educate you though.

If you are tackled on a gate, you cannot warp out.

Normaly the procedure for bored MoM pilots will be to send in a tanked ship or two with a selection of scrams, webs and disruptors.

When you engage the target - It will tackle you and fire a cyno. A few seconds later several MOMS will appear, RR the tackle ship, lock you up, drop fighters, engage fighters.

At this point, as soon as the cyno goes up, your options are to try to warp out leaving one or two of the scrambled/disrupted ships to die

Or you can remain on the gate, Remote Rep who they have primaried and jump out when your aggro drops. If the enemy have a gang waiting for you on the other side (note this is my experience very rare) you can engage them on the other side without the benefit of their moms.

Decent skills, fits, rigs, and team work can negate a lot of the effect of the MOMs and enable you to minimise losses and indeed many times escape with no loss.

However, with a 3 million HP weapon,

NO SKILLS
NO TEAMWORK
NO FITTINGS
NO NOTHING

Will prevent your ship being instapopped. As soon as the cyno goes up - those implants you saved up for and those skills you spent months getting to lv5 are worthless. As are the fits you assembled. That bhallgorn you saved up for, your pimp faction fit raven, your T3 ship, is dead.

Stop making yourself look stupid. Arguing with me about low sec piracy is like arguing with the Bear-Pope about crapin in the vatican.

SKUNK






Remmon
Amarr
Posted - 2009.09.26 18:27:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Le Skunk
Edited by: Le Skunk on 26/09/2009 18:14:23
Originally by: Baghdad Bobbit

You are an idiot.

Titan activates their DD on your T3 Cruiser/BS or smaller ship? Warp out, no damage received.


So speaketh the voice of high sec mission running. I will take the time to educate you though.

If you are tackled on a gate, you cannot warp out.

Normaly the procedure for bored MoM pilots will be to send in a tanked ship or two with a selection of scrams, webs and disruptors.

When you engage the target - It will tackle you and fire a cyno. A few seconds later several MOMS will appear, RR the tackle ship, lock you up, drop fighters, engage fighters.

At this point, as soon as the cyno goes up, your options are to try to warp out leaving one or two of the scrambled/disrupted ships to die

Or you can remain on the gate, Remote Rep who they have primaried and jump out when your aggro drops. If the enemy have a gang waiting for you on the other side (note this is my experience very rare) you can engage them on the other side without the benefit of their moms.

Decent skills, fits, rigs, and team work can negate a lot of the effect of the MOMs and enable you to minimise losses and indeed many times escape with no loss.

However, with a 3 million HP weapon,

NO SKILLS
NO TEAMWORK
NO FITTINGS
NO NOTHING

Will prevent your ship being instapopped. As soon as the cyno goes up - those implants you saved up for and those skills you spent months getting to lv5 are worthless. As are the fits you assembled. That bhallgorn you saved up for, your pimp faction fit raven, your T3 ship, is dead.

Stop making yourself look stupid. Arguing with me about low sec piracy is like arguing with the Bear-Pope about crapin in the vatican.

SKUNK




And it's going to take that Titan how many minutes to lock your ship? During which you've got plenty of time to kill that tackler (Which will also take minutes to lock for the titan). The titan will have to lock your ship, then fire the DD.
Teamwork, good skills and good fittings will all help to prevent your ship being instapopped, because all you have to do to avoid being instapopped is avoid being locked by the ship class with the single worst sensor resolution in the history of EVE Online.


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