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Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.09.20 18:07:00 - [1]
 


CoolCoolCool


Nozirei
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.09.20 18:08:00 - [2]
 

It's a shame to see Dystopia go down like that, impressive for Pandemic, but wow. Shocked

Commander Azrael
Red Federation
Posted - 2009.09.20 18:09:00 - [3]
 

Yeah, just epic Very Happy

Elyseum
Posted - 2009.09.20 18:12:00 - [4]
 

nothing impressive about that match

it was thrown

totally lame for PL to pay to get to the top

Cynthia Ysolde
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.09.20 18:14:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Elyseum
nothing impressive about that match

it was thrown

totally lame for PL to pay to get to the top



yes because tyrrax NEEDS OUR MONEY

Kaijusan
Gallente
Austro-Hungarian Empire
Elysium Alliance
Posted - 2009.09.20 18:14:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Elyseum
nothing impressive about that match

it was thrown

totally lame for PL to pay to get to the top


Got proof?

No?

then stfu and go back to the basement and your hot pockets

S'ara
Posted - 2009.09.20 18:15:00 - [7]
 

my guess:
- dystopia had RDs on the haulers to go against bombers
- PL used at least one lock breaking bomb and afterwards had ECM superiority due to dystopia losing locks

Faekurias
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2009.09.20 18:15:00 - [8]
 

Need has nothing to do with Greed.

Just throwing it out there, other than that I think he just tried pulling a funny.

Lofe sXe
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.09.20 18:15:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Elyseum

totally lame for PL to pay to get to the top


this

Elyseum
Posted - 2009.09.20 18:18:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Kaijusan

Got proof?

No?

then stfu and go back to the basement and your hot pockets


if you dont think three industrials is proof then no proof would ever satisfy you

this talk about steamrolling a match where you took almost NO damage is surreal

wake the f up

J Ryan
Caldari
Under Heavy Fire
Posted - 2009.09.20 18:18:00 - [11]
 

Huh

Dystopia 102 points?

Xiaodown
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2009.09.20 18:21:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Elyseum
Originally by: Kaijusan

Got proof?

No?

then stfu and go back to the basement and your hot pockets


if you dont think three industrials is proof then no proof would ever satisfy you

this talk about steamrolling a match where you took almost NO damage is surreal

wake the f up


Industrials have more midslots than any other ship available for the point value.

We are using them to remote sensor boost / remote eccm boost the ships. PL brings damps, jams, etc.

We did not throw the match; there is effectively no counter to that setup.

Elyseum
Posted - 2009.09.20 18:23:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Xiaodown


Industrials have more midslots than any other ship available for the point value.

We are using them to remote sensor boost / remote eccm boost the ships. PL brings damps, jams, etc.

We did not throw the match; there is effectively no counter to that setup.


there is always a counter

you even SOUND like you didnt try

/proof supplied

Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
Posted - 2009.09.20 18:25:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 20/09/2009 18:25:36
Originally by: Xiaodown
Industrials have more midslots than any other ship available for the point value.

We are using them to remote sensor boost / remote eccm boost the ships. PL brings damps, jams, etc.

We did not throw the match; there is effectively no counter to that setup.


Being very spread out would help, since the bombs rely on you being bunched up at the start, it is however very hard to counter all the ECM combined with the massive DPS from those bombers once they start hitting something. Their ability to keep the bombers alive is the biggest issue.

Kaijusan
Gallente
Austro-Hungarian Empire
Elysium Alliance
Posted - 2009.09.20 18:37:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Elyseum
Originally by: Kaijusan

Got proof?

No?

then stfu and go back to the basement and your hot pockets


if you dont think three industrials is proof then no proof would ever satisfy you

this talk about steamrolling a match where you took almost NO damage is surreal

wake the f up


Obviously you have ZERO experience with Industrials and their mid slots.

Go back to the basement and your fritos and let the adults talk.


Xiaodown
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2009.09.20 18:41:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Meiyang Lee
Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 20/09/2009 18:25:36
Originally by: Xiaodown
Industrials have more midslots than any other ship available for the point value.

We are using them to remote sensor boost / remote eccm boost the ships. PL brings damps, jams, etc.

We did not throw the match; there is effectively no counter to that setup.


Being very spread out would help, since the bombs rely on you being bunched up at the start, it is however very hard to counter all the ECM combined with the massive DPS from those bombers once they start hitting something. Their ability to keep the bombers alive is the biggest issue.



The bombs only hit 2 ships. We had planned on using the curses to neut the rooks from the PL team. They got hit hard by the bombs and were finished off quickly.

After that, pretty much everyone on our team was permajammed. The combination of jamming, damping, and target painting, combined with the huge damage from the torps against anything with a sig radius and the area affect damage of the bombs against anything small, not to mention any part of the rest of their fleet, is going to be incredibly hard to beat.

Maybe a team full of T3 cruisers would be the best counter. Not sure. We had 3 hours to come up with a strategy against that; all the theorycrafters need to keep in mind that the first time anyone had seen that setup was 3 hours before we had to fight it. And no one else in the tournament is fielding that strat; PL have exclusive rights on it at this point.

Originally by: Elyseum


there is always a counter

you even SOUND like you didnt try

/proof supplied


I'm glad you're upset about it. We aim to grief people, and if we couldn't do it to PL, it warms my heart that we could grief you. How much money did you lose?

Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.09.20 18:42:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 20/09/2009 18:45:15

An industrial only costs 3 points, and their support makes a huge difference :I
Plus it's funny!

Anyways i had about 2 hours to come up with a setup to fight PL with, that's what i tried, didn't work, maybe if i'd done different setups on the curses *shrug*

don't really think i'm capable of coming up with a counter to their setup tho, i couldn't come up with one i liked vs their setup last tourney either ;P

i was basically thinking we'd have one curse neut their bombers (while rapier with 4 webs kept them from getting close enough to bomb us), other curse would go disable both rooks with 5 neuts on one, then the other, then splitting them and leaving on both.

our rooks were supposed to jam their bombers and hopefully scimitar so we could kill the bombers

unfortunately so our curses could stop their rooks jamming fast i put mwds on them, and not enough buffer, so they got owned (not well thought out enough)
each curse had 156 sensor strength btw
rapier, damnation and guardian were supposed to be pretty hard to jam unless they jammed/killed the indies.
(if rooks don't have abs then maybe plated ab cursees coulda got them?) but i'm sure they had abs + claymore bonus = curses can't catch..

guardian fed cap to the guardian which had a local tank (+ some drones from rapier) figured they'd try to kill curses/rooks first, and they did.

GF PL, least we lost to the best team Razz

Edit; lol just realized we fielded 102 points and nobody noticed ;P

Elyseum
Posted - 2009.09.20 18:57:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Kaijusan


Obviously you have ZERO experience with Industrials and their mid slots.

Go back to the basement and your fritos and let the adults talk.




you are seriously upset about something and seem to have lost your cool with the personal attacks.

its amazing that you are arguing FOR the industrials after that match. the proof is in front of your face and yet you still cling to some fantasy that having industrials in your lineup is useful. a cormorant would have provided some damage and a few mids to work with.

please come back with yet another non-argument about how useful industrials are in pvp and the tournament. you are doing a splendid job so far.




Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
Posted - 2009.09.20 19:03:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Xiaodown
Originally by: Meiyang Lee
Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 20/09/2009 18:25:36
Originally by: Xiaodown
Industrials have more midslots than any other ship available for the point value.

We are using them to remote sensor boost / remote eccm boost the ships. PL brings damps, jams, etc.

We did not throw the match; there is effectively no counter to that setup.


Being very spread out would help, since the bombs rely on you being bunched up at the start, it is however very hard to counter all the ECM combined with the massive DPS from those bombers once they start hitting something. Their ability to keep the bombers alive is the biggest issue.



The bombs only hit 2 ships. We had planned on using the curses to neut the rooks from the PL team. They got hit hard by the bombs and were finished off quickly.

After that, pretty much everyone on our team was permajammed. The combination of jamming, damping, and target painting, combined with the huge damage from the torps against anything with a sig radius and the area affect damage of the bombs against anything small, not to mention any part of the rest of their fleet, is going to be incredibly hard to beat.

Maybe a team full of T3 cruisers would be the best counter. Not sure. We had 3 hours to come up with a strategy against that; all the theorycrafters need to keep in mind that the first time anyone had seen that setup was 3 hours before we had to fight it. And no one else in the tournament is fielding that strat; PL have exclusive rights on it at this point.


They fielded it yesterday too, but I see your point, there wasn't all that much time to devise a counter, let alone test anything.
Once the Curses went down you lost both a lot of DPS and the ability to shut down ships that were being a pain, effectively crippling your entire setup from the get-go.

I'd love someone coming up with an effective counter, bombs may be awesome to see put to good use, but it gets boring if they literally slaughter everything they run into.


Apostrophe Man
Posted - 2009.09.20 19:06:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Meiyang Lee
Originally by: Xiaodown
Originally by: Meiyang Lee
Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 20/09/2009 18:25:36
Originally by: Xiaodown
Industrials have more midslots than any other ship available for the point value.

We are using them to remote sensor boost / remote eccm boost the ships. PL brings damps, jams, etc.

We did not throw the match; there is effectively no counter to that setup.


Being very spread out would help, since the bombs rely on you being bunched up at the start, it is however very hard to counter all the ECM combined with the massive DPS from those bombers once they start hitting something. Their ability to keep the bombers alive is the biggest issue.



The bombs only hit 2 ships. We had planned on using the curses to neut the rooks from the PL team. They got hit hard by the bombs and were finished off quickly.

After that, pretty much everyone on our team was permajammed. The combination of jamming, damping, and target painting, combined with the huge damage from the torps against anything with a sig radius and the area affect damage of the bombs against anything small, not to mention any part of the rest of their fleet, is going to be incredibly hard to beat.

Maybe a team full of T3 cruisers would be the best counter. Not sure. We had 3 hours to come up with a strategy against that; all the theorycrafters need to keep in mind that the first time anyone had seen that setup was 3 hours before we had to fight it. And no one else in the tournament is fielding that strat; PL have exclusive rights on it at this point.


They fielded it yesterday too, but I see your point, there wasn't all that much time to devise a counter, let alone test anything.
Once the Curses went down you lost both a lot of DPS and the ability to shut down ships that were being a pain, effectively crippling your entire setup from the get-go.

I'd love someone coming up with an effective counter, bombs may be awesome to see put to good use, but it gets boring if they literally slaughter everything they run into.




Here's my vote for a counter:

2 damnation
2 sacrilege
2 vengence
1 logistics
1 abaddon

ECCM / sensor boosters in the mids, armor tanked, and everyone who can fit missiles fits Assault missile launchers and standard missiles. Hopefully take out the bombers, and then go to work on the rest of the stuff. Still, without the bombers, there's another 5 ships to get through, including a T3 and a logistics.

Shai 'Hulud
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2009.09.20 19:09:00 - [21]
 

I wonder how many extra industrials would be required to actually raise an issue with the rules guys? Perhaps we should have just added 3 more??

Their impact on the points rules must be taken into account when attempting to assign a value to these deceptively valuable ships Confused

Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.09.20 19:10:00 - [22]
 

Wouldn't work, scimitar would keep the bombers alive vs that with no problems, and bombers do a lot of DPS vs stuff with big sigs like you're fielding..

Jed Dye
Amarr
Quantum Pathways Inc
Posted - 2009.09.20 19:10:00 - [23]
 

PL will do it YARRRR!!

Kaijusan
Gallente
Austro-Hungarian Empire
Elysium Alliance
Posted - 2009.09.20 19:11:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Kaijusan on 20/09/2009 19:14:43
Originally by: Elyseum
Originally by: Kaijusan


Obviously you have ZERO experience with Industrials and their mid slots.

Go back to the basement and your fritos and let the adults talk.




you are seriously upset about something and seem to have lost your cool with the personal attacks.

its amazing that you are arguing FOR the industrials after that match. the proof is in front of your face and yet you still cling to some fantasy that having industrials in your lineup is useful. a cormorant would have provided some damage and a few mids to work with.

please come back with yet another non-argument about how useful industrials are in pvp and the tournament. you are doing a splendid job so far.






And AGAIN you provide no proof to your accusation. Burden of proof falls on the accuser, yet you provide none other than your opinion, which wouldnt be admissable in a court of law....which I am sure you will be facing someday on some sort of abuse of small animals charge.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2009.09.20 19:16:00 - [25]
 

Drop a bomb or two on their bombers? You should be able to put down the 5 bombers with 2 of your own, no?

Elyseum
Posted - 2009.09.20 19:18:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Kaijusan

And AGAIN you provide no proof to your accusation. Burden of proof falls on the accuser, yet you provide none other than your opinion, which wouldnt be admissable in a court of law....which I am sure you will be facing someday on some sort of abuse of small animals charge.



from fritos to animal abuse ? are you begging for a ban for personal attacks ?

as for proof, like i said, its in front of your face. you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him dri^H^H^H think.

K Shara
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.09.20 19:24:00 - [27]
 

so my bluff about using amarr didn't work then tyrrax in irc with zola in channel? :(

Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.09.20 19:32:00 - [28]
 

ZOLA was afk at a wedding today ;O so fraid not Smile

Kaijusan
Gallente
Austro-Hungarian Empire
Elysium Alliance
Posted - 2009.09.20 19:40:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Elyseum
Originally by: Kaijusan

And AGAIN you provide no proof to your accusation. Burden of proof falls on the accuser, yet you provide none other than your opinion, which wouldnt be admissable in a court of law....which I am sure you will be facing someday on some sort of abuse of small animals charge.



from fritos to animal abuse ? are you begging for a ban for personal attacks ?

as for proof, like i said, its in front of your face. you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him dri^H^H^H think.



Your personal opinion is not admissable as proof. Post solid evidence (logs etc etc) other than your crazed jealous rantings.


Elyseum
Posted - 2009.09.20 19:56:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Kaijusan


Your personal opinion is not admissable as proof. Post solid evidence (logs etc etc) other than your crazed jealous rantings.




so now dystopia losing without so much as scratching PL's paint is opinion

the only thing you have going for you is posting stamina


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