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Bjron
Posted - 2009.09.24 19:20:00 - [841]
 

Edited by: Bjron on 24/09/2009 20:37:11
WE ARE GO for page 30!

sniped first post of 29.

Julian Lynq
Posted - 2009.09.24 19:21:00 - [842]
 

Originally by: Bjron
WE ARE GO for page 30!


Congrats. Some counting skills right there.

baltec1
Posted - 2009.09.24 19:24:00 - [843]
 

Originally by: Bjron
WE ARE GO for page 30!


Hard to belive this got moar tears than the moros nerfLaughing

Bjron
Posted - 2009.09.24 19:27:00 - [844]
 

Edited by: Bjron on 24/09/2009 19:35:31
Edited by: Bjron on 24/09/2009 19:30:29
Originally by: Nihiliax
Originally by: Bjron
I want to go on record as say the following.


If I had the kinda power that CCP does to cause this many pages of QQ, and whines and some times good ideas and covos.

The world would already be flooded by now.

Imange what I could do with WoW?



Awesome post. For a (self-proclaimed) 23 year old your attitudes are very juvenile but I guess that will hopefully change with age.

So far you have proudly proclaimed that despite 28 pages of explanation you still aren't capable of understanding why people object to this change. Not something I would be so proud of to be quite honest. But hey, the quality of your posts shows that you were not one of the "academic achievers" before you recently left school (if you have in fact left school).

You seem to think that being not too clever financially somehow makes you an adult even though your mum still cooks your meals and washes your clothes for you and yet despite all this we are expected to somehow be swayed by your input into this discussion.
Not gonna happen, kiddo.

Your failure to understand the objections being raised here does not invalidate those objections as much as it invalidates your input. Logic dictates that you cannot make a valid input into a discussion that, by your own admission, you do not understand.

Then there's the post I have quoted above. Personally I would say this makes you look closer to 13 than 23 but if you are in fact as old as you claim it merely attests to the fact that your development has been ******ed in some way. If you do not have a constructive input to make to this discussion please refrain from posting your infantile garbage.


23 True!

Myspace.com/mustanggangsta

still live with mom/dad True!
But i got a shiny new truck! Wink
I am a tard now? Glad you told me, thanks!

Hmm, I fail to see how 11% tax affects anything, becasue I think it does nothing, I can not understand all the QQ.

So, was the jab at me living with mom and dad ment to hurt my feelings?
Sorry, I bought a truck insted of moving out.


Hmmm, I needed that money, I had no other choise, I figured that some one who was so "wise and old" would respect that some times we have no other options are have to do what is needed to be done.

go ahead, take some more shots at me, I am not the one crying about a tax on internet money.


Edit 1, myspace link had a E in it
Edit 2, look down.


Oh, so now I am trash talking? because I said that CCP was causing QQ, and that if I had that power the world would be flooded?

Thick skin, you dont have it.

Julian Lynq
Posted - 2009.09.24 19:32:00 - [845]
 

Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Bjron
WE ARE GO for page 30!


Hard to belive this got moar tears than the moros nerfLaughing


Canīt see no tears.

I see some people seriously discussing the matter and a bunch of trolls that try to rip the discussion apart.

(hint: you are in the troll-group)

Bjron
Posted - 2009.09.24 19:33:00 - [846]
 

Edited by: Bjron on 24/09/2009 19:36:26
successful troll is successful

YARRRR!!


mmmm I love the attention.

But on topic.

Really, how can 11% tax hurt anyone that much?
If the tax will have no effect that why QQ about it?
Whining and crying about it is not going to make anything change.
If it does affect you, then make a 1 man corp?

problem solved.

Edit, I r tard.


Julian Lynq
Posted - 2009.09.24 19:40:00 - [847]
 

Originally by: Bjron
Edited by: Bjron on 24/09/2009 19:36:26
successful troll is successful

YARRRR!!


mmmm I love the attention.

But on topic.

Really, how can 11% tax hurt anyone that much?
If the tax will have no effect that why QQ about it?
Whining and crying about it is not going to make anything change.
If it does affect you, then make a 1 man corp?

problem solved.

Edit, I r tard.




As you have obviously not read from my other posts yet (I highly recommend the pages 1 to 26) I do not care about the 11% tax, but rather about the way ccp is making "Water Cooler" game design, as someone else called it. (copy/pasted that for you from the top of the page).

Bjron
Posted - 2009.09.24 19:43:00 - [848]
 

Originally by: Julian Lynq
Originally by: Bjron
Edited by: Bjron on 24/09/2009 19:36:26
successful troll is successful

YARRRR!!


mmmm I love the attention.

But on topic.

Really, how can 11% tax hurt anyone that much?
If the tax will have no effect that why QQ about it?
Whining and crying about it is not going to make anything change.
If it does affect you, then make a 1 man corp?

problem solved.

Edit, I r tard.




As you have obviously not read from my other posts yet (I highly recommend the pages 1 to 26) I do not care about the 11% tax, but rather about the way ccp is making "Water Cooler" game design, as someone else called it. (copy/pasted that for you from the top of the page).


got to page 14 then quit.

hmm, so you dont care about the tax, thats cool.

But how is complaining going to change any thing CCP wants to do.


I am just here for the lolz, and this thread provides plenty of them.

Bjron
Posted - 2009.09.24 19:48:00 - [849]
 

Edited by: Bjron on 24/09/2009 19:49:15
I doubled some how, my bad.

Julian Lynq
Posted - 2009.09.24 19:49:00 - [850]
 

Originally by: Bjron
got to page 14


Great. Your making progress.

Sorry but please understand that i am unwilling to rephrase everything from the previous pages only because
you do not manage to read past page 14.

Since you have acknoledged that you are not interested in a serious discussion of this thread and are
only trying to troll, may i then report your subsequentive posts for trolling this thread ?

baltec1
Posted - 2009.09.24 19:51:00 - [851]
 

Originally by: Julian Lynq
Originally by: Bjron
got to page 14


Great. Your making progress.

Sorry but please understand that i am unwilling to rephrase everything from the previous pages only because
you do not manage to read past page 14.

Since you have acknoledged that you are not interested in a serious discussion of this thread and are
only trying to troll, may i then report your subsequentive posts for trolling this thread ?


I have yet to see you put down anything constructive, even your trolling is sub par.

Bjron
Posted - 2009.09.24 19:54:00 - [852]
 

Originally by: Julian Lynq
Originally by: Bjron
got to page 14


Great. Your making progress.

Sorry but please understand that i am unwilling to rephrase everything from the previous pages only because
you do not manage to read past page 14.

Since you have acknoledged that you are not interested in a serious discussion of this thread and are
only trying to troll, may i then report your subsequentive posts for trolling this thread ?


If you feel the need to report me, go ahead.


I am trying to figure it out, but every time I try, come to the place, this whole thread is about some thing that affects nothing important.


People are upset over 11% tax that really only affects 2-5% of the income of a misson runner in a NPC corp who get to go on every day free from war-decs.

Or, people are upset that this will do nothing and that it is a stupid move?


thats pretty much it.

Julian Lynq
Posted - 2009.09.24 19:56:00 - [853]
 

Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Julian Lynq
Originally by: Bjron
got to page 14


Great. Your making progress.

Sorry but please understand that i am unwilling to rephrase everything from the previous pages only because
you do not manage to read past page 14.

Since you have acknoledged that you are not interested in a serious discussion of this thread and are
only trying to troll, may i then report your subsequentive posts for trolling this thread ?


I have yet to see you put down anything constructive, even your trolling is sub par.


That is because you suffer from the same reading inability as bjron does.
But because i am having a good day today, iīll give you a freebie of me
posting constructive goodies. #804

Now if you want we can take turns on this.

SomebodyKickedMyDog
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2009.09.24 20:04:00 - [854]
 

how do i steer my ship?

baltec1
Posted - 2009.09.24 20:07:00 - [855]
 

Originally by: SomebodyKickedMyDog
how do i steer my ship?


If this keeps up with a rudder.

Bjron
Posted - 2009.09.24 20:09:00 - [856]
 

Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: SomebodyKickedMyDog
how do i steer my ship?


If this keeps up with a rudder.



I loled, a bunch.Laughing

Caldor Mansi
Posted - 2009.09.24 20:14:00 - [857]
 

Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
I wouldn't call it a problem, nothing is exploited, nothing is broken..but we worry that the NPC corporation vs player corporations is not a very even situation and people might miss out on what a player corporation can offer.

If you have a corporation where you can meet people, that is immune to war declarations and a tax haven. Why the hell would you leave?

Some people do leave these NPC corporations and join corporations owned by players. Hanging out with these players and having the chance to become very meaningful to your corporation is an example of an EVE experience that is harder to get when you stay in NPC corporations. The data we have also suggests that people who join a player corporation are more likely to do a lot of different things in EVE and are more likely to enjoy the things in EVE.

In EVE you can be very useful as a new player to some corporations and they will want to involve you in their activities and you have a group of people who would be dedicated to help you..so you can help them in return.

With the tax we want to give an incentive to join player corporations who may have a lower tax rate, or a tax rate that will give back to you in a way.


If you are dead set to joining a player corporation you can still stay in the NPC corporation. You are not tossed out after a certain time period, nor does 11% tax cripple your income.

It might give you something to think about and affect the choice you want to make in game, for me that is a sandbx game..being presented with choices that will mean something.



Why are you encouraging 1 man corps?

Because that is the only reasonable move if someone does not like your tax. How does that make game better?

Octavin
Posted - 2009.09.24 20:19:00 - [858]
 

Edited by: Octavin on 24/09/2009 20:23:09
Originally by: Ranger 1
Edited by: Ranger 1 on 24/09/2009 17:21:18
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Gsptlsnz
@baltec
You need to look at the the other way round: what proportion of rookies find their way to a decent Corp like yours?


I would say most because who is going to stay in a bad corp...It bad business.


Really now, how hard is it to go to EVE University or Agony and click join? There are several well known and easy to find corps that have an open door policy to new or inexperienced players.

They provide a number of advantages, but I'm not going to pimp them any further.


How many people just starting the game even know about those Corps? sorry tools like TZ indenfication would at least be A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, or more tools to indentify these helper schools... this is what people who have a legimiate argument are asking for tools to correct the problem, you and people like Bjorn are just too arrogant to see that.

Bjron
Posted - 2009.09.24 20:21:00 - [859]
 

Edited by: Bjron on 24/09/2009 20:24:46
Originally by: Caldor Mansi
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
I wouldn't call it a problem, nothing is exploited, nothing is broken..but we worry that the NPC corporation vs player corporations is not a very even situation and people might miss out on what a player corporation can offer.

If you have a corporation where you can meet people, that is immune to war declarations and a tax haven. Why the hell would you leave?

Some people do leave these NPC corporations and join corporations owned by players. Hanging out with these players and having the chance to become very meaningful to your corporation is an example of an EVE experience that is harder to get when you stay in NPC corporations. The data we have also suggests that people who join a player corporation are more likely to do a lot of different things in EVE and are more likely to enjoy the things in EVE.

In EVE you can be very useful as a new player to some corporations and they will want to involve you in their activities and you have a group of people who would be dedicated to help you..so you can help them in return.

With the tax we want to give an incentive to join player corporations who may have a lower tax rate, or a tax rate that will give back to you in a way.


If you are dead set to joining a player corporation you can still stay in the NPC corporation. You are not tossed out after a certain time period, nor does 11% tax cripple your income.

It might give you something to think about and affect the choice you want to make in game, for me that is a sandbx game..being presented with choices that will mean something.



Why are you encouraging 1 man corps?

Because that is the only reasonable move if someone does not like your tax. How does that make game better?



Umm, join a player corp with, low/no tax rate?
Stay in the npc corp and accept that the 11% tax is pretty much bribe money to have concord keep you safe?
Stop making all your money on mission rewards, salvage or mine or trade or make things?



Imma quoting!

How many people just starting the game even know about those Corps? sorry tools like TZ indenfication would at least be A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, or more tools to indentify this helper schools... this is what people who have a legimiate argument are asking for tools to correct the problem, your just to arrogant to see that.

quote over.

Umm, before I started playing Eve I looked up info on it, and found out about the game, I didnt go to the store and close my eyes and pick a game, then rush home to play it.
I knew what kinda game Eve was, I was aware of how the basics worked.

If you go and buy a game and take little or no time at all to to find out about it, then that is not the games fualt.



Julian Lynq
Posted - 2009.09.24 20:23:00 - [860]
 

Originally by: Caldor Mansi
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
I wouldn't call it a problem, nothing is exploited, nothing is broken..but we worry that the NPC corporation vs player corporations is not a very even situation and people might miss out on what a player corporation can offer.

If you have a corporation where you can meet people, that is immune to war declarations and a tax haven. Why the hell would you leave?

Some people do leave these NPC corporations and join corporations owned by players. Hanging out with these players and having the chance to become very meaningful to your corporation is an example of an EVE experience that is harder to get when you stay in NPC corporations. The data we have also suggests that people who join a player corporation are more likely to do a lot of different things in EVE and are more likely to enjoy the things in EVE.

In EVE you can be very useful as a new player to some corporations and they will want to involve you in their activities and you have a group of people who would be dedicated to help you..so you can help them in return.

With the tax we want to give an incentive to join player corporations who may have a lower tax rate, or a tax rate that will give back to you in a way.


If you are dead set to joining a player corporation you can still stay in the NPC corporation. You are not tossed out after a certain time period, nor does 11% tax cripple your income.

It might give you something to think about and affect the choice you want to make in game, for me that is a sandbx game..being presented with choices that will mean something.



Why are you encouraging 1 man corps?

Because that is the only reasonable move if someone does not like your tax. How does that make game better?


I am pretty sure they will at a later point include changes to hamper 1 man corps.

Even then tho the lone wolf players will still just life with the tax. Even if they raise it to absurd levels.

Bjron
Posted - 2009.09.24 20:27:00 - [861]
 

Originally by: Julian Lynq
Originally by: Caldor Mansi
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
I wouldn't call it a problem, nothing is exploited, nothing is broken..but we worry that the NPC corporation vs player corporations is not a very even situation and people might miss out on what a player corporation can offer.

If you have a corporation where you can meet people, that is immune to war declarations and a tax haven. Why the hell would you leave?

Some people do leave these NPC corporations and join corporations owned by players. Hanging out with these players and having the chance to become very meaningful to your corporation is an example of an EVE experience that is harder to get when you stay in NPC corporations. The data we have also suggests that people who join a player corporation are more likely to do a lot of different things in EVE and are more likely to enjoy the things in EVE.

In EVE you can be very useful as a new player to some corporations and they will want to involve you in their activities and you have a group of people who would be dedicated to help you..so you can help them in return.

With the tax we want to give an incentive to join player corporations who may have a lower tax rate, or a tax rate that will give back to you in a way.


If you are dead set to joining a player corporation you can still stay in the NPC corporation. You are not tossed out after a certain time period, nor does 11% tax cripple your income.

It might give you something to think about and affect the choice you want to make in game, for me that is a sandbx game..being presented with choices that will mean something.



Why are you encouraging 1 man corps?

Because that is the only reasonable move if someone does not like your tax. How does that make game better?


I am pretty sure they will at a later point include changes to hamper 1 man corps.

Even then tho the lone wolf players will still just life with the tax. Even if they raise it to absurd levels.



if I wanted to play space ships offline, i would play free lancer, or Privateer 2, or any of the many space games that are single player.


Why play a mmo by your self? I thought the point of a MMo was to play with others?

Caldor Mansi
Posted - 2009.09.24 20:28:00 - [862]
 

Originally by: Bjron

Umm, join a player corp with, low/no tax rate?
Stay in the npc corp and accept that the 11% tax is pretty much bribe money to have concord keep you safe?
Stop making all your money on mission rewards, salvage or mine or trade or make things?


Do you think anyone will do as CCP wish because they are that stupid?

They will make 1 man corp that will highly unlikely get ever wardeced and will pay 0 tax. Why would they do anything else?
If someone doesn't want to be in PC corp now, this change won't make him change his mind.

Daemonspirit
Six Degrees of Separation
Posted - 2009.09.24 20:30:00 - [863]
 

Edited by: Daemonspirit on 24/09/2009 20:30:23
I made a thread on the "Features and Ideas Forum":

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1185265&page=1

I would appreciate any and all support to get THAT change in the game! Hopefully, that would encourage more players to Player Corps, w/o being seen as onerous. I don't mind the tax, just don't think it will accomplish what CCP says they want to accomplish, and I think "MY IDEA.tm!" will...

No, I'm not conceited at all... Laughing
Originally by: Octavin
How many people just starting the game even know about those Corps? sorry tools like TZ indenfication would at least be A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, or more tools to indentify these helper schools... this is what people who have a legimiate argument are asking for tools to correct the problem, you and people like Bjorn are just too arrogant to see that.

Meh, I like it (even when I disagree) - I'm weird, I admit, I LOVE forum PVP! YARRRR!!
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Bjron
WE ARE GO for page 30!

Hard to belive this got moar tears than the moros nerfLaughing


More NPC'rs than Moros Pilots? Laughing

edit: yep spelling


Bjron
Posted - 2009.09.24 20:33:00 - [864]
 

Originally by: Caldor Mansi
Originally by: Bjron

Umm, join a player corp with, low/no tax rate?
Stay in the npc corp and accept that the 11% tax is pretty much bribe money to have concord keep you safe?
Stop making all your money on mission rewards, salvage or mine or trade or make things?


Do you think anyone will do as CCP wish because they are that stupid?

They will make 1 man corp that will highly unlikely get ever wardeced and will pay 0 tax. Why would they do anything else?
If someone doesn't want to be in PC corp now, this change won't make him change his mind.


if thats the case, why 29 pages on this topic?


Off topic, come on page 30!

Julian Lynq
Posted - 2009.09.24 20:33:00 - [865]
 

Originally by: Bjron

if I wanted to play space ships offline, i would play free lancer, or Privateer 2, or any of the many space games that are single player.
Why play a mmo by your self? I thought the point of a MMo was to play with others?


Has also allready been discussed, but whatever:

Playing as a lone wolf character does not imply only playing by yourself. You still meet other players in space and trade with them
on the market or shoot them in wormholes or in any kind of other situation.
It is not you preffered style of play, but many people enjoy it this way.

Caldor Mansi
Posted - 2009.09.24 20:35:00 - [866]
 

Originally by: Bjron

if I wanted to play space ships offline, i would play free lancer, or Privateer 2, or any of the many space games that are single player.


Why play a mmo by your self? I thought the point of a MMo was to play with others?


Motives and interests of people varies from person to person. Why not accomodate more different people instead of focusing on one type of gameplay?
Do you think that people in NPC corps have no role in EVE or are something less then PVPers? Where do you think all that salvage, minerals, faction ammo and named items come from?

Originally by: Julian Lynq

I am pretty sure they will at a later point include changes to hamper 1 man corps.

Even then tho the lone wolf players will still just life with the tax. Even if they raise it to absurd levels.



I am affraid so.

Bjron
Posted - 2009.09.24 20:45:00 - [867]
 

Originally by: Caldor Mansi
Originally by: Bjron

if I wanted to play space ships offline, i would play free lancer, or Privateer 2, or any of the many space games that are single player.


Why play a mmo by your self? I thought the point of a MMo was to play with others?


Motives and interests of people varies from person to person. Why not accomodate more different people instead of focusing on one type of gameplay?
Do you think that people in NPC corps have no role in EVE or are something less then PVPers? Where do you think all that salvage, minerals, faction ammo and named items come from?

Originally by: Julian Lynq

I am pretty sure they will at a later point include changes to hamper 1 man corps.

Even then tho the lone wolf players will still just life with the tax. Even if they raise it to absurd levels.



I am affraid so.



if a person wishes to play with as few as he can, fine, but there needs to be a place for the people who do, and not hopping from corp to corp hiding from war decs and tax.


So, if we are going to go that route of focusing on one type of gameplay, what if CCP is trying to give a nod to the corp people and the people who like to play that way?
The people who think its not right or fair ( note that I dont care ) that some people can sit around in a starter corp and not pay taxes and not get war decd.


What about the people who like to be in corps large and small, and think its un fair to them, that they cant get away with paying 0% tax and have to put up with war decs?

Sure these people can go back to the starter corp, but what if they like having a hand in a player run one?

The story has two sides.

Right now, one side gets away with 0% tax and no war decs against them, the other play style gets no such break, even taking the taxs out of this, they are still not immune to war.

Julian Lynq
Posted - 2009.09.24 20:55:00 - [868]
 

Not every corp charges 11% tax. Some charge more, some charge less, some donīt charge any at all.

There are alot unique advantages of being in a player corporation (which is the reason that many people are).

Additionally we are allready proposing ideas to make player corporations even more attractive
in an attempt to show ccp means of gamedesign practices that use carrots instead of sticks.

Bjron
Posted - 2009.09.24 20:58:00 - [869]
 

Originally by: Julian Lynq
Not every corp charges 11% tax. Some charge more, some charge less, some donīt charge any at all.

There are alot unique advantages of being in a player corporation (which is the reason that many people are).

Additionally we are allready proposing ideas to make player corporations even more attractive
in an attempt to show ccp means of gamedesign practices that use carrots instead of sticks.


I think they should use subway on sticks, would work better.


But I agree on the player corporations, and how cool they can be, just gotta find a good one.

Julian Lynq
Posted - 2009.09.24 21:01:00 - [870]
 

Originally by: Bjron
Originally by: Julian Lynq
Not every corp charges 11% tax. Some charge more, some charge less, some donīt charge any at all.

There are alot unique advantages of being in a player corporation (which is the reason that many people are).

Additionally we are allready proposing ideas to make player corporations even more attractive
in an attempt to show ccp means of gamedesign practices that use carrots instead of sticks.


I think they should use subway on sticks, would work better.


But I agree on the player corporations, and how cool they can be, just gotta find a good one.


So your point is what now exactly ?


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