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Saerynn
Lost Intentions
Posted - 2009.09.18 16:45:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Saerynn on 18/09/2009 17:32:31
First, apologies if this has been raised before.

As it stands now, getting banned on SiSi for violating the rules has, effectively, no serious repercussions. However, whatever actions resulted in the ban are usually a significant inconvenience to the other players affected (e.g. voogru et. al.).

I believe that interfering with people attempting to help improve the game for the benefit of the broader community should be more heavily penalized. I would like to see a ban on SiSi be automatically accompanied by a corresponding temporary (whatever period is deemed "reasonable" - 2 weeks? 1 month?) ban on TQ.

Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Global Economy Experts
Posted - 2009.09.18 19:43:00 - [2]
 

It was my understanding that any misstep on SiSi results in an immediate permaban from SiSi. A little too harsh to apply that to Tranquility, as well, in my opinion.

In fact, if your motive is for the game to be improved through testing, I think the very threat of this possibility would be enough to make many potential testers not even set foot in SiSi for fear of getting their Tranquility account banned. I know I wouldn't, and I'm a respectful pilot that (I don't think) would ever get banned from SiSi.

Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
Posted - 2009.09.18 22:08:00 - [3]
 

THis seems incredibly draconian. I'd favour better enforcement of rules on Sisi, but TQ punishments for Sisi violations is far too harsh.

Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
Spreadsheets Online
Posted - 2009.09.18 23:09:00 - [4]
 

The cancer has hit sisi so badly. So many people who simply havent read the rules are getting on there. Who then break the rules. BH then issue threats in a fast moving local channel to stop. Most people arent even watching local half the time.

Rules broken? Sure... banned from sisi? Sure.

Add on top of this... it's fairly easy to get people banned. I'll just leave it at that.

Sisi is meant to be a server people can go test on. This leads to bug fixing. If you ban people from sisi... then there are less people to fix bugs. The caveat... you're banning gomers who only impede testing. For example gomers who sit at the pf- gate and kill people.

The balance is questionable here.


If you add in the factor of draconian banning rolling over onto tq. That would mean not only a drastic reduction of people on sisi. As I certainly wouldnt be going on there. It would also means a drastic number of paying customers who may or may not be contributing to make eve better... are now going to leave the game entirely.

That isnt good business for eve.

Ancy Denaries

Posted - 2009.09.21 13:59:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Ancy Denaries on 21/09/2009 14:01:38
If you get banned from Sisi, you get a permaban. If the offense is serious enough, extend the ban to a two week ban from TQ as well. I support this AS LONG as there's no permabans on TQ. That's just too much.

The climate on Sisi is rapidly deteriorating to a state that's closing on "impossible to test anything". There needs to be harscher punishments in order to stave this stupidity off.

I don't agree with the above poster that less people will be on SiSi or less people will go due to the risks of a ban. Sensible people will still go, because they will adhere to the rules and subsequently not get banned.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2009.09.21 14:42:00 - [6]
 

Real world comparison:
- I go to a paintball event and proceed to backstab my team by dishing out headshots when their backs are turned .. get promptly booted from event.
- I leave the paintball facility and is picked up by the police and thrown in jail.

Doesn't sound even remotely fair nor just.

A permanent SiSi ban, be it account or IP based is severe enough. It is a privilege to use the server and there are rules attached.
As those rules do not apply in TQ there should be no "bleed through" whatsoever.

Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2009.09.21 15:01:00 - [7]
 

As much as I can concur with the large number of scumbags in SiSi... this isn't going to fly well.

It's really a different world out there as opposed to TQ.

The only way I'd support this is if its a repeat offense.... ignoring a GM should have a major impact as far as examples... but not even on the first...second.. or third strikes really.


Not supported because its a bit too prejudicial.

SSgt Sniper
Gallente
SSgt Sniper Temporary corp

Posted - 2009.09.21 16:33:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Real world comparison:
- I go to a paintball event and proceed to backstab my team by dishing out headshots when their backs are turned .. get promptly booted from event.
- I leave the paintball facility and is picked up by the police and thrown in jail.

Doesn't sound even remotely fair nor just.

A permanent SiSi ban, be it account or IP based is severe enough. It is a privilege to use the server and there are rules attached.
As those rules do not apply in TQ there should be no "bleed through" whatsoever.


This would work normally except for the fact that goons have lots of alts to keep on keeping on no matter how many get banned and it pretty much seems that the people that keep pulling this **** over and over are doing it to expressly "troll" sisi. If CCP handed out some two week bans on TQ over it, I think really qwuickly you'd see this **** come to a full stop.

Supported.

Voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
We Are John Galt
Posted - 2009.09.21 16:34:00 - [9]
 

It would need to be in extremely blatant cases of rule violations.

Someone that ganks a player or two on SISI should get a ban from SISI, but not one on TQ.
Someone that gets a group of players to place bubbles at the FD-MLJ gate in PF-346 or any gate on the way to FD-MLJ and then proceeds to kill everything that enters, even as players tell them they are breaking the rules, deserve at most, a 1-2 week ban from TQ.

They know exactly what they are doing and they can't accidentally drop bubbles and accidentally shoot everything that enters.

A developer has to take the time to investigate the claims, the more time they waste banning trouble makers from SISI the less time they have to actually make EVE. If the penalty is upped to TQ bans (even if temporary), players that go to the SISI server for "lulz" might wise up once they know being a jerktard can result in a TQ ban too.

Sun Clausewitz
Posted - 2009.09.21 16:48:00 - [10]
 

and extend the forum bans to the server too.

Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Global Economy Experts
Posted - 2009.09.21 17:07:00 - [11]
 

Yes, there would be less credible people on SiSi. You've had at least two people on the forums post as much, and we're not even a good sampling of the player base.

If the devs or GMs really thought there was a testing problem on SiSi, then the first step would be to have people apply for the privilege to test on SiSi, just as players would apply for a beta test for a new game. That's all that SiSi is, really, is beta testing. Treat it like that.

If a player doesn't follow the rules of beta testing in any system he is kicked out of the beta testing... and allowed back later as a paying customer. I can't see any customer being banned from beta testing and paying for the game based on something he did that broke the beta testing rules, save for maybe hacking or very severe insults and swearing at the GMs/Devs. I can't see it happening in Eve, either.


 

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