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Trev Kachanov
STK Scientific
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.04 20:50:00 - [751]
 

Originally by: Daenosa
can people stop using the cost of a ship as a reason to why it needs balancing.
seriously 3 titans can kill a mothership, of course it should be able to.
O no 3 cruisers can kill a battleship, buff the battleship so it wont happen.

Yes everyone and their monkey has a titan but with the recent changes i cant see that lasting long...


3 cruisers cant 1 shot a bs. A bs can kill 3 cruisers easily depending on fitting. That fight can go either way depending on fitting. Worst analogy ever

New ones
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2009.12.04 21:16:00 - [752]
 

CCP trying to ignore they have a problem, thread not sticky any more.

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2009.12.04 22:02:00 - [753]
 

Originally by: New ones
CCP trying to ignore they have a problem, thread not sticky any more.


That is the norm on things where there is no more need to hear feedback. Since there was no change and there are no current plans for them to test, the thread is no longer stickied. When they have something resembling a working ship figured out, they will test it here and we will get a new sticky thread to complain about the changes.

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2009.12.04 22:34:00 - [754]
 

It is quite shockingly poor that they have not responded to the valid concerns in this thread, or highlighted what it is they plan to do.

One would almost suspect there are internal disagreements which are preventing sensible actions or interim statements. Bizarre.

Armadaus Baldwin
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.12.05 02:27:00 - [755]
 

One would almost suspect my Mothership account has been canceled, shocking.

Blade BKA
Posted - 2009.12.06 10:50:00 - [756]
 

No need to speculate cos it only takes 1 doomsday to kill a Mothership ask me, I know...

Gotta say Nozh I love the fact that you made it so that my 16 BILLION ISK ship was killed with 1 shot! This game is a joke.

2009.12.06 10:26

Victim: Blade BKA
Corp: Therapy.
Alliance: District Asylum
Faction: NONE
Destroyed: Nyx
System: Aunenen
Security: 0.4
Damage Taken: 1161977

Involved parties:

Name: Caletha Reborn (laid the final blow)
Security: 4.5
Corp: Rionnag Alba
Alliance: Triumvirate.
Faction: NONE
Ship: Leviathan
Weapon: Oblivion
Damage Done: 1157923

Name: Umberto Tann
Security: -1.4
Corp: D00M.
Alliance: Triumvirate.
Faction: NONE
Ship: Nidhoggur
Weapon: Garde II
Damage Done: 4054

Name: F4ze
Security: -1.7
Corp: D00M.
Alliance: Triumvirate.
Faction: NONE
Ship: Erebus
Weapon: Aurora Ominae
Damage Done: 0



xXxZeroCoolxXx
Caldari
REUNI0N Holding
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2009.12.06 11:17:00 - [757]
 

Damn Blade, your loss really sucks = /
IMO the changes really ****ed up the game. I mean, after we all saw alliances can just drop an entire fleet of titans and bomb the grid, a change was needed.
Voila, now the new possibility is having a pack of titans just take out all your logistics.
...Oh wait! No one even wants to bring Moms out on the field anymore!
For the last year I've been polishing my carrier skills to 5, anticipating the chance of flying a MoM, well no point in that anymore until they fix something.

At least sov isnt a fight of who can pump more fuel in a tower. But problems are yet to come possibly.


LoveKebab
Caldari
LOST IDEA
C0VEN
Posted - 2009.12.06 11:27:00 - [758]
 

and ppl actually saw this comming but hey... aparently it's supose to be like this lmao...

Arzal
Animosity.
Posted - 2009.12.06 11:31:00 - [759]
 

aww man, sorry for your loss, but i agree this game is such a joke in certain areas....

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2009.12.06 16:30:00 - [760]
 

Edited by: Misanth on 06/12/2009 16:30:04
Nozh gets his will through. First he wants us to have 5 drones on Carriers, but he fails. Then he wants us to have 10 drones on Motherships, but he fails. Then he manage to stop the Fighterbombers, and with his latest strike, he managed to stop us from assining Fighters at a POS.

Poor drones, they get so much hate from that man. Surprised

Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.12.06 20:08:00 - [761]
 

Originally by: Petition
Hi,

This morning I one-shotted a Nyx mothership in Aunenen with my titan. (mail: http://www.klevis.net/rakb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=58005)

This is ******ed. Please fix your game and reimburse the sucker.

- Sok.


DOARota
Gallente
BURN EDEN
Posted - 2009.12.07 05:08:00 - [762]
 

Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Petition
Hi,

This morning I one-shotted a Nyx mothership in Aunenen with my titan. (mail: http://www.klevis.net/rakb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=58005)

This is ******ed. Please fix your game and reimburse the sucker.

- Sok.




Don't reimburse him. We all got the memo from ccp that said our motherships are to stay logged off .The only time you're allowed to log in is to change skills.

Serena Ku
Gallente
Posted - 2009.12.07 09:44:00 - [763]
 

Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Petition
Hi,

This morning I one-shotted a Nyx mothership in Aunenen with my titan. (mail: http://www.klevis.net/rakb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=58005)

This is ******ed. Please fix your game and reimburse the sucker.

- Sok.




The man has honor. Cool

PS - Seriously CCP, I also have a Nyx and using it in extreme cases with scouts galore, hands hovering over Cntl+Q, sweat dripping over my eyes as I unblinkingly stare at local, and hair prematurely falling off...
Fix this stupid problem with Motherships asap please.

Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises
Babylon Project
Posted - 2009.12.07 10:00:00 - [764]
 

:) (sorry, but losing MS pwn mobiles in low sec makes me laugh)

However,

the way it's done is obviously silly now. Being able to one shot a MS is beyond silly I guess, for the price difference and the way super caps work.

But how many shots should a MS be able to take? One? Two? Five? For that matter how many should a Titan be able to take? Would people not just driveby with 2 (like the last kill) titans, or 3? And would giving a MS so much EHP as to be able to withstand 3 or more DDs not make it nearly impossible to take down with a good subcap fleet before it can get help?

CCP just unbalanced the game by not fixing MS but releasing the new DD, that much is true. But I'd rather see a relatively small increase in EHP so that subcaps can still kill a MS in a good attack, and, to counter the new DD, a basic bonus of 15% reduction in DD damage per level carrier (ie 75% redux at carrier 5, 3-5 DDs inc EHP increase).


Obviously I'd also like to see driveby titans have it a bit harder, something like firing a DD makes warp impossible for a very little while so you could 'bait' and actually try and get a titan with a cloaked hic or summin

Xavieer Naidoo
Capax Infiniti
Posted - 2009.12.07 17:55:00 - [765]
 

Edited by: Xavieer Naidoo on 07/12/2009 17:56:04
Originally by: Blade BKA

Gotta say Nozh I love the fact that you made it so that my 16 BILLION ISK ship was killed with 1 shot! I am a joke because I have spent a lot of time grinding virtual money, yet my virtual hard earn asset went poof! in a matter of 15 seconds and now I feel a bit stupid about it.



Fixed that for you bro.

John Zorg
Caldari
The Damned Legion
Posted - 2009.12.07 22:06:00 - [766]
 

Any news on when the Motherships are going to be fixed?

I need to login soon the change skills :P

King Dave
Raven Dynamics
Posted - 2009.12.07 22:26:00 - [767]
 

Originally by: John Zorg
Any news on when the Motherships are going to be fixed?

I need to login soon the change skills :P


CCP CBA

Kel Arkir
Biotronics Inc.
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2009.12.07 23:23:00 - [768]
 

I'm hearing rumors that they just restarded the "balancing process" for MS since the majority of the playerbase was against their changes.

Selective perception for the win. I knew reading/listening comprehension skills ain't that big anymore, but this is .... ugh





Rexthor Hammerfists
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.12.09 10:48:00 - [769]
 

Something i would like to see, for all capitals, but motherships would be a good start, is a similar subsystem-system t3 ships have. Part of why t3 ships are so interesting is because they can switch their roles and have several unlike specialized recons as example.

Something similar was actually proposed by tuxford after the first carrier changes didnt go through, t3 subsystems would fit this perfectly. It would eliminite the search for its roles etc as the owner could decide it themselfes mroe or less.

Something like more resistance or more tank, gang mod or no gangmod, maybe even a hictor point vs 100km normal point, remote rep bonus or more drones - theres plenty things that can be done. It would prolly be wise to test this for quite some time on the testserver to make sure theres alternatives and notone unbalanced cookiecutter fit, but im sure every mothership pilot would love it as it makes it alot more interesting.

jdubs
Rage For Order
Systematic-Chaos
Posted - 2009.12.10 02:46:00 - [770]
 

Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
Something i would like to see, for all capitals, but motherships would be a good start, is a similar subsystem-system t3 ships have. Part of why t3 ships are so interesting is because they can switch their roles and have several unlike specialized recons as example.

Something similar was actually proposed by tuxford after the first carrier changes didnt go through, t3 subsystems would fit this perfectly. It would eliminite the search for its roles etc as the owner could decide it themselfes mroe or less.

Something like more resistance or more tank, gang mod or no gangmod, maybe even a hictor point vs 100km normal point, remote rep bonus or more drones - theres plenty things that can be done. It would prolly be wise to test this for quite some time on the testserver to make sure theres alternatives and notone unbalanced cookiecutter fit, but im sure every mothership pilot would love it as it makes it alot more interesting.


This is too complicated. Just fix motherships and implement some crazy configuration for super carriers, in the next release.

TurboLover
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.12.10 08:00:00 - [771]
 

WTB CCP Response on the issue.
Quote:
As designers we need to do is take a few steps back, deliberate more (with your help), go through more testing (also with your help) and really perfect the Mothership redesign.

Kate Pole
Posted - 2009.12.11 11:52:00 - [772]
 

Originally by: TurboLover
WTB CCP Response on the issue.
Quote:
As designers we need to do is take a few steps back, deliberate more (with your help), go through more testing (also with your help) and really perfect the Mothership redesign.



I think there as been a number of threads with options that most of the player base has supported. All of them implement about the same changes.. Again I think universally they are.
+ HP
+ Jump range

At least 15 FB with at least the dps of a seiged dread, some ideas of 15/F,FB and 20 normal drones have been out there as well. Hell 10 FBs is fine as long as DPS is good.

No docking
Do not make them cheaper.

Some other random, but good ideas are out there that address, special gang bonus that "SC" can have in their abilities or a Remote Cap repping bonus.

CCP, you had it right a while back.(for the most part) The Coding should be there. Just put it out. PLEASE DO SOMETHING!! are "SC" going to be like Alliance Logo's? Coming soon?

Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.12.11 12:37:00 - [773]
 

I find it amusing that still to this date people blame CCP for their own losses (that aren't server-related).

Everyone knew full and well that motherships were going to be one-shotted in this patch and until the change.

But did you choose to be restrictive with your use of said ships? No.

Simple causality. Sure it sucks, but you could most likely have avoided losing your ship.

---

On the other hand I think changes to motherships should be high up on the prirority list.
For obvious reasons. All MS-pilots currently being useless (as they are locked into said ships by mechanics designed by CCP).


dracice
Posted - 2009.12.11 14:52:00 - [774]
 

you know whats even more funny...?

the fact that that mothership got doomsdayed in low sec in a 0.4 system. 2 days before the 1.02 patch which put it back to pre-dominion. (titans not being able to doomsday in low sec)

i dont know which is more funny that you died 2 days before the changes... or simply the fact that you got doomsdayed in low sec.

as an aside, can I have your stuff?

Peryner
University of Caille
Posted - 2009.12.12 18:52:00 - [775]
 

Originally by: dracice
you know whats even more funny...?

the fact that that mothership got doomsdayed in low sec in a 0.4 system. 2 days before the 1.02 patch which put it back to pre-dominion. (titans not being able to doomsday in low sec)

i dont know which is more funny that you died 2 days before the changes... or simply the fact that you got doomsdayed in low sec.

as an aside, can I have your stuff?


learn to read

the person didn't lose a mothership, it was a titan pilot, that KILLED a mothership, and is saying that the mothership pilot should get his ship back.

It's at the point where the TITAN pilots are saying mothership pilots should get their ships back.

dracice
Posted - 2009.12.13 03:32:00 - [776]
 

no its that guy whining that he lost his MS.

that guy that posted his KM, so you need to lrn2red.

anyway im not arguing against the fact they need to be changed im laughing at the whole situation that ccp have a 15bil isk ship useless, they say they want each ship to have a niche, well thats certainly one.

uselessness.

then theres the fact people whined about 15 fighter bombers, more hp, more jump range and got those changes nerfed and are left with this.


Tobruk
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.12.13 03:41:00 - [777]
 

boot.ini

Igor 77
Posted - 2009.12.13 11:16:00 - [778]
 

Originally by: dracice
no its that guy whining that he lost his MS.

that guy that posted his KM, so you need to lrn2red.

anyway im not arguing against the fact they need to be changed im laughing at the whole situation that ccp have a 15bil isk ship useless, they say they want each ship to have a niche, well thats certainly one.

uselessness.

then theres the fact people whined about 15 fighter bombers, more hp, more jump range and got those changes nerfed and are left with this.




In some nice magic way people stating its our own fault the ship is useless they seem to forget about the price of those changes. Yes i am talking about 6-8bilj price reduction per MS so that all players could fly the ships with less effort on the cost of other players. What a nice way to strain at your own bellybutton there dear sir... And BTW remember it was 10 fighter bomber or 10 fighters and you could get 15 with 5 DCU's also it could DOCK!

meanato
Posted - 2009.12.13 18:36:00 - [779]
 

wow ccp know how to break the game lol they nerf the s/c to hell and back and there are like 15 threads about it but yet nothing gets done..... could you imagen if the hulk go a lil nerf like -1% mining amount or 3% mining distance omfg there would be a change in 2 / 3 minuets. of the patch going live. but when its a section of the player base that has invested a Lots of money to get to the stage of having that ship, ccp just turn a stick a finger up at them its a lil sad as they are now useless

rage over

Lira West
Amarr
Dark Swarm Legion
Posted - 2009.12.14 11:56:00 - [780]
 

This has been outstanding for way too long now. I have a great idea... could CCP please allow us to dock, preferably at a refinery so that I can repro my mothership. I am tired of waiting for a fix for these ships. There has been years of time for them to be fixed. It's not like you have to create anything new. All that is needed is attribute changes.

CCP, your attempts at making this useless ******ed class cool is clearly never going to happen.

Some feedback, even some general ideas of where you want to go with these ships would be appreciated. TBH this is getting very annoying...


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