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Scout Black
Posted - 2009.11.12 22:28:00 - [481]
 

Regardless of what is proposed to happen or what is going to happen. The way CCP has handled this has been nothing short of appalling. Bring out a new weapon, rant and rave about it, bring it out on the test server for a good period showing how good it will be and tempt allot of people into building/buying a mothership, then 3 weeks before the patch nerf the cost and the ship to hell and back. You obviously had this in the pipeline and this should have been made clear from the start.

This just seems a like a very poor trick played on people and i for one am disgusted at how this has unfolded.

Trent Nichols
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2009.11.12 22:38:00 - [482]
 

I would love to hear from Zymurgist how a thread where hundreds of paying customers show their disapproval of the proposed mothership changes is classified as spam.

CCP has hit a new low.

Needa3
Minmatar
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.11.12 22:40:00 - [483]
 

Originally by: Trent Nichols
I would love to hear from Zymurgist how a thread where hundreds of paying customers show their disapproval of the proposed mothership changes is classified as spam.

CCP has hit a new low.


can't agree more

Manfred Sideous
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.11.12 22:54:00 - [484]
 

Give us Abathur or give us biomass

Rexthor Hammerfists
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.11.12 23:00:00 - [485]
 

Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 12/11/2009 23:00:48
This is beyond words - why would i now lock up a character ina wyvern when it does nothin better then a chiemra and a phoenix - hell i could make sue of that characters recon5 and hac 5 and commandship5 at the same time. Im no even sure what persuaded you to make this move it just doesnt make sense?

And woohoo maxed out mindlinked Siege Warfare Harmonizing mod..

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2009.11.12 23:05:00 - [486]
 

Originally by: Mhorbaine
and that is why you sir would loose it to the first hictor that decided to point you up :)

not trollin, just sayin
Yes because people only fly a mom solo with never a single bit of support EVER and there is always a hic with instant hotdropping supercap killer backup waiting to point you as soon as you finish logging on.Rolling Eyes

Mundem Pashdale
Sacred Templars
Black Star Alliance
Posted - 2009.11.12 23:11:00 - [487]
 

It seems that someone at CCP (or a group of people) had the clever idea that a new, small and accessible anti-capital ship based on carrier mechanics was needed, and considered the easiest way to achieve that would be to alter the current motherships beyond the buff they had recieved on SiSi

The buffed motherships where kinda cool, and worth flying again. The latest change creates a workable ship, certainly (assuming it is alowed to dock) but the loss of value to mothership pilots, who tend to be the more committed and older players, is enormous

Would it not have made more sence to create a new carrier class, something mid way between carriers and motherships, and call that the supercarrier? I would sujest this could have been a wiser course of action. I doubt this will be sorted out and thus currently have no plans to resubscribe my accounts. Having trained into every ship I wanted the last thing left keeping me engaged with the grind of the game was the new mothership proposals. With that gone, it's time to find a new game

I have realy enjoyed EvE. Fantastic game in parts, wonderfull players and worth the money. But now that is no longer the case. A very sad day indeed

Here's to four years!


TZeer
BURN EDEN
Posted - 2009.11.12 23:21:00 - [488]
 

Edited by: TZeer on 12/11/2009 23:21:09
I love how CCP do their testing and feedback.

"HAY guys!! Look at this, new sov, nerf/boost to titans, look at the new superweapon, and awesome turrets. And lets not forget the supercarriers, awesome fighterbombers!!"

"Come on the testserver and give us soime feedback ,and lets test it!"

*Testing*


"Nice damage on the cap wepons on the titans! Woot, instabeam death a dread!! \o/"

"Awesome supercarrier, HP buff, a real capital killer!! Good job CCP"

.........


CCP goes:

"WTF?"

"NO WAI!"

"YES WAY"

"TO THE NERFMOBILE!"

CCP`s new slogan can be:

Been there, nerfed that!

And the expansion can be changed from Dominion to LOLminion or Trollminion or something.


Laughing

Tappits
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.11.12 23:32:00 - [489]
 

This is like Microsoft doing testing on a new windows 7 OS

Microsoft: ooo look at all the cool things, this is good but will cost loads,

People: oo that looks cool i think i will pre orda a copy

and then 2 weeksbefore it came out

Microsoft: sorry we have changed it, its not that good now and we have halfed the price, but no refunds will be paid nm we will just ban you from the forums so you cannot mone at us, bye.

People: but i pre ordard and i have lost loads of $$$$'s on this?

Microsoft: Locked

Sheial Tarlien
Minmatar
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2009.11.12 23:40:00 - [490]
 

Ever since the early days of eve I've always been a big supporter of CCP's style of game development. Maticulous and careful calculation to ward off post launch nerfs etc. Long term planning over short term solutions etc. We see other game developers like blizzard more than willing to provide temporary bandaids to critical game design issues to a) retain players and b) attract new subscriptions.

With the onset of the past several expansions, I find myself in a position where I am having ever increasing difficulty making these same statements to support the work of CCP. This mothership nerf has the idea of "nerf previous content to promote young/new player attention" all over it. While i appreciate the numerous levels of testing implemented on SISI, I cant help but feel that the Mothership changes are a glimpse of whats lays ahead for the veteran players of eve. Should we expect our accumulated efforts to diminish in significance in the future? I think this is a underlying question that many players are concerned about.

Good luck to everyone affected by this change and the apparent shift in CCP development strategy.

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2009.11.12 23:43:00 - [491]
 

PETITION IN CSM FORUMS



This is a formal petition to make sure these changes dont happen.

But everyone, please post constructive feed back on what they should change in test server feed back.

copy and paste this if need be.

" I am unhappy with the changes that have been made to super carriers, you have effectively nerfed a super capital many train, and work hard for. Please restore them to their original glory and make them super capitals again. E.G. +3 drones per carrier level, able to fit triage modul, ability to fit a clone vat bay.

Thank you,
<your name>

"

This is a good formal response that will let them know you are happy, you want changes to be made, and look its not a flame or an attack on anyones character.

YES we are all pretty ****ed off, but we can still be civil and get the changes removed.

Mhorbaine
Beyond Divinity Inc
Posted - 2009.11.12 23:50:00 - [492]
 

to be honest i'm not too bothered about the loss of the clone vat/triage as it made it more streamline for its dmg role, hell i dont even mind bein limited to 10 fighterbombers just let us have 20x normal drones... limit it via bandwidth or something :S

Dirk Culliford
H A V O C
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2009.11.12 23:55:00 - [493]
 

Edited by: Dirk Culliford on 13/11/2009 00:04:04
So CCP, how does the unified agreement of all of the major players in 0.0 quantify as "spam" ?

Furthermore, why should we take our desires for change to the assembly hall. This is the feedback section of the forums, and we are providing lots of feedback. If the feedback is negative (to put it lightly) then you have to accept that, not attempt to delete every thread on the issue.

Congratulations on once more handling the PR of this so well....oh wait...


Also, save motherships '09!



Edit - Adding some more constructive feedback. Nozh, you're an idiot

Yana Cova
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.11.13 00:05:00 - [494]
 

My 2 cents - short and sweet - worked for about 2 YEARS with aim to get Nyx - seen it go from IMBER to POS with intro of hics (necessary imo but serious harm done) as we see cost/benefit of MS has since been way out of whack - no one ever fields them now since they are dread magnets and cost way too much for their effectiveness.

So now we have HP boost to make them withstand a dread assualt for a reasonable while whilst the nerf makes them as good as carriers against subcaps - unless fighter/bombers are made freaking insane and/or build cost of these ULTIMATE/EPIC beasts are drastically reduced, then the aim of seeing more people invest/use them in action will have been scuppered due to what I can only see as a poorly considered design decision. Remember it is not only alliances with tons of moongoo that have bought these guys, some people train for a long time with alts to sit in them on a personal basis - this is end game for some people, and rendering ships which are horrendously over expensive even more ineffective in terms of defence and cost/benefit will only serve to annoy alot of people - if they are effective we will see more of them on the field and we will see more people form fleets to kill them and get the killmails - Everyone's a winner.

Remember, we want to see more supercaps on the field, as it increases feeling of engagement of the parties involved - the scale and stakes of combat increases - let's not miss an opportunity to get the MS on the field and used as useful and effective assests rather than have over expensive toys for the rich which gather dust in pos shieds, or a single hangar slot in a post patch upgraded outpost....


We want MS to be desirable, sexy, fun and effective, which makes them used in the field, blowing stuffup, getting blown up, which makes everyone happy - what do you say?

Serena Ku
Gallente
Posted - 2009.11.13 00:21:00 - [495]
 

Originally by: Dirk Culliford

Also, save motherships '09!


Gliding
Eye of God
Posted - 2009.11.13 00:28:00 - [496]
 

I spent 2 much time and isk gettin my mothership, its the only thing i look 4ward to after 4 years of game play. After making it so awesome if they make it as good as a normal carrier against sup-caps it will actually ruin that whole part of the game 4 me, which atm is the part of the game thats keepin me interested if that goes i have no reason 2 play, dont know about other ppl but im talkin end game sorta stuff. ppl spend so much time, trainin on lots of different accounts and grindin to get these things ccp cant just screw ppl over like that.

Mundem Pashdale
Sacred Templars
Black Star Alliance
Posted - 2009.11.13 00:38:00 - [497]
 

Originally by: Gliding
I spent 2 much time and isk gettin my mothership, its the only thing i look 4ward to after 4 years of game play. After making it so awesome if they make it as good as a normal carrier against sup-caps it will actually ruin that whole part of the game 4 me, which atm is the part of the game thats keepin me interested if that goes i have no reason 2 play, dont know about other ppl but im talkin end game sorta stuff. ppl spend so much time, trainin on lots of different accounts and grindin to get these things ccp cant just screw ppl over like that.


Hey Gliding. Long time no see.
Same goes for me. Was why I was still playing. Canceled my remaining accounts tonight, will only be back if this does not go live


Saul Reaver
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.11.13 01:20:00 - [498]
 

Originally by: Trent Nichols
I would love to hear from Zymurgist how a thread where hundreds of paying customers show their disapproval of the proposed mothership changes is classified as spam.

CCP has hit a new low.


I agree with you on this one i'm sorry to say. Certainly makes me reconsider next months payment on my accounts.

Nyx Spire
Posted - 2009.11.13 01:25:00 - [499]
 

Originally by: CCP NozhHey,

The changes on Singularity now, are intentional. The drone control units are however broken at the moment, and are being fixed.

New stats for "Compact Citadel Torpedoes" (launched by fighter bombers):

Explosion Radius: 3500
Explosion Velocity: 45
Damage Reduction Factor: 6.5 (magic number)
Damage: 3600


Super carrier build cost, reduced by 40%. Estimated build cost around 5-6bn.

What we want to create is an anti-capital ship/role, which is more effective than dreadnaughts against moving targets. They can currently reach 7200 DPS (9000 DPS on the Nyx), provided they are fitted for damage and are being supported by fellow pilots. To put this into perspective, the old motherships used to deal 2000 DPS, 2500 DPS (3125 DPS on the Nyx) with drone control units, additionally they've received a huge hit-point boost. The main advantages everyone seems to be overlooking is that Super carriers don't need to commit to a battle like Dreadnaughts nor do they have to be stationary while dealing damage, and of course the fact that they're immune to Electronic Warfare.

By fitting drone control units, pilots are increasing their damage potential greatly while sacrificing survivability. It becomes a hard choice, but being capital ships, they should reach their maximum potential when working together as a team.

There is currently a devblog in the making which should clarify the big picture a bit.


-Nozh


OMG a kid could work out that in your backwards way of sliceing code togther like a mad scientist THE BEST OPTION STARING YOU IN THE FACE is up the band width on fighter bombers to 62.5 so it can only field 10

not cripple the damn thing so it cant field 25 warrior t2's be viable in fleet or feild. 25 wardens to be viable at a pos base.

lets look at the man hours from a coder monkey prospective

the difference here is phenomenal

one go into each mother ship file, delete description lines "3 fighters per lvl" change to 1 fighter per lvl, then go further down in file find drone control bandwidth line adjust lower. further down in file find class skill lines of code that relates to description and adjust them to 1 extra drone per lvl. make sure no misstacks and save

VS

go into each fighter bomber file scroll down to drone band width and delete push number 62.5 and save

leave drone bandwidth at 625 so 25 fighters can be fielded but up FB bandwidth to 62 so only ten can be fielded.

now pay me my weekly wage so you can get your subscriptions back from all the people that just cancelled

Armadaus Baldwin
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.11.13 02:07:00 - [500]
 

I've seen some fairly dumb moves by CCP through the years, this one's up there.

You had a good idea with the proposed change, all the feedback on it was positive except for the "make em dockable" whine. Don't **** it up now.

Yaay
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Posted - 2009.11.13 03:00:00 - [501]
 

do you know why supercarriers are so overpowered. Because you gave them massive HP, the ability to do wicked damage, the ability to not be jammed, and the ability to RR from 50km away.

You can't have it all.

Nerfing the cost, and the DPS isn't the fix. Just take away RR from Super carriers, call them Moms again so you don't have the association, and let them do wicked damage. That way at least they'll need their own support similar to titans if they start getting pawned. Carrier RR can at least be countered with ewar and damps and other devices. Motherships in large swarms can't.

What's hillarious is that the one potential problem with moms is the one thing you aren't addressing. All you're requiring are more moms on the field, but you reduced their cost, so now their barrier to entry is virtually nada.

Just remove RR all together from ships that aren't logistics platforms.

If you gave Logistics ships triage, they'd be great at repairing towers and other large structures, but highly vulnerable. Then you could take the range boost away from carriers and we'd have so much more balance in this game it's scary.

But instead, we get this joke of a change.

Mye Klit
Posted - 2009.11.13 03:13:00 - [502]
 

Originally by: Yana Cova
this is end game for some people


Your right, this will end the game for a lot of people.... oh wait you meant the intended role of 20bn ISK ships that take 8-24months to grind on a personal level, not the fact that anyone who does/has/or wants to play the game for the superior challenge and risk that typical "end-game" features supply will just quit and go play jumpgate evolution (Guild beta signup anyone) or the new Star Trek/Wars MMOs?? Hell even AoC would seem like a good choice right now, infact i think ive still got 3 top level toons in LOTRO, at least they dont use a nerf bat on their players, now where did i leave my bow & arrow???...

Crimsonjade
Posted - 2009.11.13 03:31:00 - [503]
 

well seeing CCP is acting like the Titanic's Captain, How are they going to explain to the people who paid for a 20 bil isk ship. only to see its price plunge overnight to 5-6 bil.these arn't t1 cruisers. its a major isk sink as it is now and people are upset. CCP MUST compensate the players who own these in some way.

i am staring at a bil trit wondering if its even worth it now. 3 weeks from a major expansion you make a major change to a ship class that is already under used.You don't even announce it, you just put it in and see what happens. I dearly love this game, but really wish a little thought could go into major changes like this.




Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2009.11.13 03:44:00 - [504]
 

What is the exact purpose of these ships again?

I thought it was to kill sieged dreads, but people are whining about them being useless vs carriers?

Sounds a lot like moaning about destroyers dying to hac gangs. i.e. people want to make this ship the win button.

Part of EVE that a love is that there exist ships that can't dock!

I'd like to see more of them. Make it so that people should use them and lose em rather than buy a holding character.

make it so once you get into these ships, you can't leave. Or make it so leaving comes at a big cost, something like T3 ships, it costs you skill points to exit it.

At least its easy now to dream up a story about how mammoth they are and how hard it is to connect the pod to it and disconnecting results in some physical distress.

I enjoy the moaning going on about the naming too. Rather comical, carry on!

Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.11.13 03:49:00 - [505]
 

Originally by: Spurty
What is the exact purpose of these ships again?

I thought it was to kill sieged dreads, but people are whining about them being useless vs carriers?

Sounds a lot like moaning about destroyers dying to hac gangs. i.e. people want to make this ship the win button.

Part of EVE that a love is that there exist ships that can't dock!

I'd like to see more of them. Make it so that people should use them and lose em rather than buy a holding character.

make it so once you get into these ships, you can't leave. Or make it so leaving comes at a big cost, something like T3 ships, it costs you skill points to exit it.

At least its easy now to dream up a story about how mammoth they are and how hard it is to connect the pod to it and disconnecting results in some physical distress.

I enjoy the moaning going on about the naming too. Rather comical, carry on!



3/10 troll points.

It's meant as an anticapital platform - and as pointed out in other threads, the ONLY capitals it hits for anything near full paper DPS are other supercaps. They don't even hit sieged dreads well with the new changes (and no, CCP Nozh, you can't target paint triaged or sieged caps).

Furthermore, CCP emasculated them to utter **** and you want to see more by banning holding alts? How about you see more by having CCP pull their heads out of their rear and undo this latest round of crap?

Joe
Umbra Legion
Shadow Empire.
Posted - 2009.11.13 04:09:00 - [506]
 

Reimburse all MoM pilots during the Patch, Depositing the difference in New/Old mineral amounts into the Station the Pilot has their clone at.

Youve reimbursed people like this previously in patchs, I'd suggest doing the same to minimise the company relations Drama that is going to happen with this change.

If your going to nurf a ship, turning it into the same class as another ship, then atleast give it the same bonus/attributes of the other ship, eg allow Supercarriers to dock just like the other cariers that they now share ship class with.

Also, what is the name of the Dev that proposed and Initiated these changes?

Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.11.13 04:14:00 - [507]
 

Originally by: Yaay

You can't have it all.


Actually, they planned to give it all, they gave it all, they tested it all, they collected data about it all, they told us about all at fanfest, they balanced it all, then they celebrated that it would have it all.

Unfortunately, CCP {insert your own moron joke here} got a hold of it and took it all, giving it nothing two weeks before patch date after months of work. Oops.

Ares Helix
Gallente
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2009.11.13 04:18:00 - [508]
 

Originally by: Joe
Also, what is the name of the Dev that proposed and Initiated these changes?


And address..
if we're going to send them hate mail/nailbombs we need an address :)

In other news, anyone wanna buy a specced up gal carrier pilot?

Armadaus Baldwin
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.11.13 04:31:00 - [509]
 

Originally by: EdFromHumanResources
Originally by: Buxaroo
Originally by: EdFromHumanResources
This really better be a typo Seleene or you just undid all the good work you've done on these ships.


It ****ing better be a typo. If not, there is ZERO point in having a super carrier. Great, 20 bil isk ship no more effective than a 2 bil dreadnaught. Yeah, thanks for that......

Anyone want to buy a ****ing Wyvern?


If this doesn't change back I, too, will be selling a wyvern


I too, will be selling a Wyvern and a perfect MS Toon if this doesn't change back. I'll buy a useful toon then, a High-Sec perfect mission runner... Cripes.

Zanthar Eos
Caldari
Posted - 2009.11.13 04:56:00 - [510]
 

In all truth if we look at the bigger picture this is a treamendously bold (stupid?) move on the devs side.
I hear alot of people talking about the fact that this might be a whiff of what's up ahead. As previously stated by a pilot, along the years CCP was famous for the meticulous planning of the changes that they intend to implement, just to avoid these kind of situations; because let's face it ... it is a situtation.

I cannot stress enough that it takes soo much time to make that isk, even a mega-alliance like PL, Goons or any other powerblock will agree that even on a alliance level 20 bil isk is not a sum to be overlooked. By dropping the mom prices to a meere 6 bil u have stolen from the players/alliance/corps ... stolen time, resources or just plain and simple years of training, toiling in belts, plexes and what ever means people have to make isk.

If this is a whiff of what's upwind then i don't even want to think what will happen if u even go remotely close to Bs's, marauders, or any kind of widely-used ship. There are alot of new space sim MMO's out there dear CCP, and people will not hesitate to move to another (actually i bet some of u guys already have trial or paid accounts on some). This is an inoportune time to kick the bucket in such a way.


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